CRJ, go around, GO AROUND !

[deserteaglle]

Originally Posted by BrianNC

How about a Cat I minimum ILS approach in a CJ2 from the cockpit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mahkFnT6A9k

Not THAT was cool.

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by sorrygottarunway

doesn't the CRJ have a 15kt max demonstrated?

...on an icy runway...

[Bog]

That crew wouldn't last long in EWR. When we had the CMH hub, I swear going to EWR was like going for training on crosswing landings. Bombardier may have only tested the Xwind to 15kias, but the CRJ1/2 can certainly handle more.

I should have watched the video about Flight Sim X landing gear. I'm sure it was informative and realistic.

[cime_sp]

Originally Posted by sorrygottarunway

doesn't the CRJ have a 15kt max demonstrated?

CRJ has a max demonstrated of 27 knots....but like somebody else had siad it can handle quite a bit more. The most i've landed in was 36kts so far. it's not too bad as long as it it isn't too gusty. Speed control is the key though.

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Originally Posted by cime_sp

CRJ has a max demonstrated of 27 knots....but like somebody else had siad it can handle quite a bit more. The most i've landed in was 36kts so far. it's not too bad as long as it it isn't too gusty. Speed control is the key though.

Sounds okay if nothing happens to your landing. But assuming something does happen (plane lands, skids off runway due to the wind hindering directional control, or something).

But IF something happens, and the NTSB/FAA find out you landed with a 36 knot component when the aircraft has a max demonstrated of 27 knots... aren't you screwed then?

Won't the FAA consider that as unsafe/reckless, and would they come after your ticket?

[jtrain609]

Max demonstrated crosswind component is not a limitation.

I've landed 172's with 30 knots of direct crosswind even though it's certified to what? 15 or 17 knots? I had the rudder to the stops, but I didn't go anywhere once we were down.

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

Max demonstrated crosswind component is not a limitation.

I've landed 172's with 30 knots of direct crosswind even though it's certified to what? 15 or 17 knots? I had the rudder to the stops, but I didn't go anywhere once we were down.

I understand it's not a limitation in that sense.



I mean for the FAA, if something does go wrong, they can't use the 27 knot max. demonstrated crosswind landing against you, if you messed something up with a 35 knot crosswind ?

[Kingairer]

83knots

[jtrain609]

How can they hold something against you that isn't a limitation?

They'll peg you on being a crappy pilot and not going around when you ran out of rudder. The real limit of the aircraft is when you hit the stops on the rudder and you're still sliding sideways. At that point you need to go around or land it with sideload. Unless you're aircraft is designed for that, you go around and find someplace else to land.

[eglplt]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

How can they hold something against you that isn't a limitation?

They can hold you to just about anything if you exercised poor judgement and lost control. Look at the FAR 91.13, that reg is designed to handle lack of judgement calls such as the one in discussion.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by eglplt

They can hold you to just about anything if you exercised poor judgement and lost control. Look at the FAR 91.13, that reg is designed to handle lack of judgement calls such as the one in disscussion.

I'm well aware of that reg, and again they're not going to bust you for exceeding something that isn't legally a limitation, what they're going to get you on is making poor decisions when it was obvious you couldn't land, which had an implication that it would be careless and reckless.

[eglplt]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

I'm well aware of that reg, and again they're not going to bust you for exceeding something that isn't legally a limitation, what they're going to get you on is making poor decisions when it was obvious you couldn't land, which had an implication that it would be careless and reckless.

Ok, so we agree that they will get some way, shape, or form.

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

I've landed 172's with 30 knots of direct crosswind even though it's certified to what? 15 or 17 knots?

What possible reason could you have for needing to fly a C172 with a 30kt direct crosswind? (further opinion withheld)

[jtrain609]

We've got a north/south runway and there was a thunderstorm moving into the area. I pretty much had one shot at trying to get in before I needed to cut bait and run to another airport with a better runway that was further to the east. I gave it a shot, hit the stops in the flare and wasn't sliding sideways so I completed the landing.

[frog_flyer]

JH is a stud. I videotaped that landing and edited in TOP GUN music! I'll post it on youtube soon.

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by cime_sp

CRJ has a max demonstrated of 27 knots....but like somebody else had siad it can handle quite a bit more. The most i've landed in was 36kts so far. it's not too bad as long as it it isn't too gusty. Speed control is the key though.

FWIW 27 knots is in our limitations section, although I don't work for your company and it may be different there

[cime_sp]

Originally Posted by wheelsup

FWIW 27 knots is in our limitations section, although I don't work for your company and it may be different there

For us it is also stated in that section but they specifically state it is not a limitation on a dry runway. However....27kts IS a limitation on a wet runway or if the captain has less than 100 hrs PIC in type.

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by cime_sp

For us it is also stated in that section but they specifically state it is not a limitation on a dry runway. However....27kts IS a limitation on a wet runway or if the captain has less than 100 hrs PIC in type.

isn't it funny how different companies that operate the same a/c have different limitations for it??? our wet runway max is 24 knots