Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted - Page 6

averyrm · August 11th, 2006, 05:08

... and people have said I'm "the bomb." I'm screwed jumpseating in the morning!

Ramsey · August 11th, 2006, 06:01

Okay - I'll admit that I have not read this entire thread but would like the follwoing anyway... for those who feel conforming (for a lack of a better word) is okay. Where is it going to stop?

So every time a plot is foiled we will have something taken from our civil liberties and make us (the good people) change our ways? If so terrorism is WINNING!

Let's see...

In addition to the changes since 9/11:

A foiled shoe bomber = we have to take off our shoes now, well I guess we should be happy we are allowed to wear shoes at all.
A foiled liquid attack = no more liquids on planes to include gel, toothpaste and make-up.

The security at a majority of the world's airports is already ridiculous. It's getting to the point where you would be better off driving then flying - especially if the flight is less than 4 hours. Who looses? The airline and the traveling public. If a terrorist wants to blow something up they will - where there's a will there's a way...

The purpose of terrorism is not to kill people, it's to terrorize. The dead are just a byproduct of the real goal which is to influence those who remain to change their lifestyles by putting, well, the fear of god in them.

SpiraMirabilis · August 11th, 2006, 06:25

Are you serious? Are you blaming the government because people have to make sure that they don't have explosives in their shoes or in their shampoo?
I don't think it is ridiculous that I have to take off my shoes when the alternative is possiblying being exploded at 40,000ft AGL. If you think I am exagerating, then what made the shoe-bomber get that idea? Would it have worked?
Of course there will always be "holes" in security (TSA's incompetance, being a big one), but that is no reason to just throw up your hands and be like 'Well, since we probably can't realistically stop everyone, lets not even try.'

wheelsup · August 11th, 2006, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramsey

A foiled liquid attack = no more liquids on planes to include gel, toothpaste and make-up.

that's not true, all the tsa asks is that they want those items in checked luggage.

Mr_Creepy · August 11th, 2006, 08:52

As a closet Conservative-Libertarian, of course I am upset at the loss of personal liberty.

Part of me, however, is looking forward to this "reduction in carry on luggage."

Imagine how much quicker the planes will unload when each Jane Doe doesn't have to reach up and find her make up bag!

Has anyone flown in the last few days? Has it made a difference in load, unload?

killbilly · August 11th, 2006, 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by WestIndian425

LOL...nice to see we can still find humor in things.

Neil

Hey, I said we should all fly naked.

LoadMasterC141 · August 11th, 2006, 09:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramsey

The security at a majority of the world's airports is already ridiculous. It's getting to the point where you would be better off driving then flying - especially if the flight is less than 4 hours. Who looses? The airline and the traveling public. If a terrorist wants to blow something up they will - where there's a will there's a way...

Not that I don't think security is getting pretty annoying, I cannot agree with you that it is not neccesary.

Also, a 4 hour flight will get me from half way across the country - Austin to Albany. I made that drive in 31 hours once. No way in hell is it better to drive it! Now, A flight from Syracuse NY to Manchester NH, because it would go to Newark or some hub first, would probably be better to take the 5 hour drive.

flygirl813126 · August 11th, 2006, 09:47

To the complaints about the long waits at security.... I am not sure where you guys are flying out of (I can only speak to my experience), but security is not horrendously long if you are prepped at all. I can go to OHare 2 hours before a flight, check my bags, get a ticket, go through security, and end up at the gate with plenty of time to spare.
To put this into perspective, how long does it take you to fly?
-check weather
-get plane out (or check out if renting)
-add fuel, oil, etc.
-thorough pre-flight
I am not saying these two things are the same at all, but you are willing to go through steps to fly your plane, without complaining about the time. And, you know who you are carrying. (I am aware that airlines have to pre-flight, etc.)
So just consider check-in, security, etc. the steps for an airliner.

HH-60CC · August 11th, 2006, 09:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by flygirl813126

To the complaints about the long waits at security.... I am not sure where you guys are flying out of (I can only speak to my experience), but security is not horrendously long if you are prepped at all. I can go to OHare 2 hours before a flight, check my bags, get a ticket, go through security, and end up at the gate with plenty of time to spare.
To put this into perspective, how long does it take you to fly?
-check weather
-get plane out (or check out if renting)
-add fuel, oil, etc.
-thorough pre-flight
I am not saying these two things are the same at all, but you are willing to go through steps to fly your plane, without complaining about the time. And, you know who you are carrying. (I am aware that airlines have to pre-flight, etc.)
So just consider check-in, security, etc. the steps for an airliner.

Last week I completed a 22 hour flight (Okinawa - Philadelphia), I was at Chicago o'hare in a wheel chair (if anyone has gone through customs there, im sure you know its TONS of fun), went through normal security at every airport, had plenty of time to spare.

Although in light of recent events, I will be pissed I cannot take my MP3 player and PSP with me (carry on) on the long flight back to Okinawa

caliginousface · August 11th, 2006, 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kristie

yea.. but now that means you have to wear your uniform to get to work cuz otherwise, there go your toiletries!!

it's gonna suck major for us girls... no liquid makeup and that stuff is PRICEY too.. I can't imagine the hords of women having a shiznit fit because they have to throw out their makeup and/or expensive perfumes.. whose going to pay us back for that? are they gonna mail it to us - doubtful...

The ladies look much better without all that stuff anyways

.

n57flyguy · August 11th, 2006, 10:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramsey

Okay - I'll admit that I have not read this entire thread but would like the follwoing anyway... for those who feel conforming (for a lack of a better word) is okay. Where is it going to stop?

So every time a plot is foiled we will have something taken from our civil liberties and make us (the good people) change our ways? If so terrorism is WINNING!

Let's see...

In addition to the changes since 9/11:

A foiled shoe bomber = we have to take off our shoes now, well I guess we should be happy we are allowed to wear shoes at all.
A foiled liquid attack = no more liquids on planes to include gel, toothpaste and make-up.

The security at a majority of the world's airports is already ridiculous. It's getting to the point where you would be better off driving then flying - especially if the flight is less than 4 hours. Who looses? The airline and the traveling public. If a terrorist wants to blow something up they will - where there's a will there's a way...

The purpose of terrorism is not to kill people, it's to terrorize. The dead are just a byproduct of the real goal which is to influence those who remain to change their lifestyles by putting, well, the fear of god in them.

Yes, because they are trying to take away our freedoms. Police State...

caliginousface · August 11th, 2006, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeanD

We have foiled many plots since 9/11 on a smaller scale.

I love this.

"Hey look! We took these guys down, ok ok ok soo that means...we're tapping your calls now!"

"Oh man good idea!"

"Oh guess what, we'll be like 'omg peoplez this is what's required for Freedom!'"

"Omgz mang you're a genious!"

"Freedom isn't Free! It's a hefty ####ing fee!"

n57flyguy · August 11th, 2006, 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliginousface

I love this.

"Hey look! We took these guys down, ok ok ok soo that means...we're tapping your calls now!"

"Oh man good idea!"

"Oh guess what, we'll be like 'omg peoplez this is what's required for Freedom!'"

"Omgz mang you're a genious!"

"Freedom isn't Free! It's a hefty ####ing fee!"

Okay....

Of all the plots "foiled" do you know how many have been set up by the government?

caliginousface · August 11th, 2006, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Okay....

Of all the plots "foiled" do you know how many have been set up by the government?

You and I will never know until the gov't is overthrown. Not saying I want to group together and take them down, but we'll never know.

CapnJim · August 11th, 2006, 10:36

I worked yesterday morning, at EWR. According to one news report, there was a security line that stretched over 600 yards at my airport. People were tired and worried about missing flights, of course, but the overwhelming mood was one of understanding, patience, and even humor. I though this was astounding, especially being in Newark.

What struck me more than anything was how talkative people were in the terminal once they got through security. I couldn't sit down for more than a minute before I was mobbed by people asking questions, and almost none of those questions were security or terror related. It was as though they were trying to burn off the stress of security and terror thread by making idle chit-chat with someone "in uniform". I wasn't the only one to get the treatment-- Almost everyone who was a stationary target with any appearace of authority was getting the same treatment. I did my best to sound relaxed, confident, and humorous, but it seemed like the more I gave the more peope wanted. People are wierd.

JohnT- turn times were about the same, but everyone who was going to carry-on was already at the airport when the fun began, and I only have 50 seats anyway, so it's difficult to judge. There was, of course, a sharp upturn in the number of checked-vs.-gatechecked bags. I would imagine the heavies will load up faster soon, with many people choosing to not carry on, or carry on much less.

Gang, if this is the terrorists way of limiting our freedoms, they are going to loose. Imagine all the planning, coersion, espionage, and carefulness that went into planning this attack. The net result? I have to pack my shampoo in my checked bag. Whoopedie-doo. Even the simplest of military minds can see that this is about the most inefficient cost-benefit campaign in the history of warfare. It's ok. They're not burning the Constitution just yet.

n57flyguy · August 11th, 2006, 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliginousface

You and I will never know until the gov't is overthrown. Not saying I want to group together and take them down, but we'll never know.

Most fact points to the gov't setting them up.

SeanD · August 11th, 2006, 12:59

I flew today from LAS to SAN? Okay its really not that bad. There are signs posted everywhere and I mean everywhere about the no liquids ect along with trash bins. I honestly didnt notice anything different besides the heavy odor of perfumes and cologne from people tossing them away. You can carry on electronics with no problem. All in all it wasnt a bad experience. Then again I wasnt at ORD or LAX.

Ripper3785 · August 11th, 2006, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Most fact points to the gov't setting them up.

What, the 'fact points' on your three conspiracy theory websites? Give me a break. Your opinion is exactly that, and worth $.02. Same as mine.

SkyHawg · August 11th, 2006, 14:48

Quote:

Your opinion is exactly that, and worth $.02.

Mine is worth $.0432 cents because of the international exchange rate.

Ripper3785 · August 11th, 2006, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyHawg

Mine is worth $.0432 cents because of the international exchange rate.

Zing!

Maximillian_Jenius · August 11th, 2006, 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Yes, because they are trying to take away our freedoms. Police State...

Welcome back buuuuuudy!

ColMustard · August 11th, 2006, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilot602

Sorry, this isn't a personal attack ... but that's the dumbest damn thing I've heard in a long time. "Uh, let's let 'em blow up some stuff so they don't think we're on to 'em ... then we'll bust 'em." If you catch them early they don't blow anything up!

When their stupidiudty afffects my job it becomes my business.

Why don't you read the post again, and try to get the REAL point I was trying to make. Cause it definitely was not about letting people die, and THEN act, cause that would be stupid, and inhumane.

You ever play poker?! Do you tell everyone when you have a royal flush, or do you wait til a more opportune time to take advantage?

Hate to use the poker analogy, but this intelligence game and getting the criminals with their pants down deals with gambling. 9/11 had nothing to do with "letting the terrorists" board the plane, it had to do with lack of imagination. If we would've thought of that idea beforehand I'm sure there would've been procedures for dealing with it.

In the end, its a bunch of "Monday morning quarterback" stuff, cause honestly what do you or I know about how the FBI and CIA REALLY gather and use their intelligence?

BTW, can't really put a personal attack, and the saying "nothing personal" in the same sentence. Doesn't work, just make your point and move on.

-ColM

SoFlo · August 11th, 2006, 16:58

I am stuck over here in Europe right now. We have been in Switzerland and right now I am in Amsterdam. We are supposed to go into Heathrow on Monday but I dont know how thats going to go.

Ahhhhhhhhh

WestIndian425 · August 11th, 2006, 17:49

Can't you get something out of Schipol? I would rather fly out of Amsterdam, Frankfurt, or Paris to get back home than go through Heathrow right now...or maybe Gatwick isn't so bad.

Neil

RPM · August 11th, 2006, 18:04

What I can't figure out is with all these rediculous bans, why in the heck do airlines still pass out coke cans....I mean, I'm glad they do but they are passing out an item that can EASILY be converted into a deadly weapon in a matter of seconds.

Twist can to rip open, tear apart and fold edge, and now you have a razor sharp tool capable of slitting throats.

just an observation...I can't be the only one who has ever realized this, no toothpaste but here is a razor sharp cutting device!

idiots.

August 11th, 2006, 05:08	#126
averyrm Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: LCK Posts: 1,653	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted ... and people have said I'm "the bomb." I'm screwed jumpseating in the morning! __________________ <-- That guy with Belushi as his avitar

August 11th, 2006, 06:01	#127
Ramsey Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ramstein Air Base, Germany; LH 747-400 SIM Posts: 567	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted Okay - I'll admit that I have not read this entire thread but would like the follwoing anyway... for those who feel conforming (for a lack of a better word) is okay. Where is it going to stop? So every time a plot is foiled we will have something taken from our civil liberties and make us (the good people) change our ways? If so terrorism is WINNING! Let's see... In addition to the changes since 9/11: A foiled shoe bomber = we have to take off our shoes now, well I guess we should be happy we are allowed to wear shoes at all. A foiled liquid attack = no more liquids on planes to include gel, toothpaste and make-up. The security at a majority of the world's airports is already ridiculous. It's getting to the point where you would be better off driving then flying - especially if the flight is less than 4 hours. Who looses? The airline and the traveling public. If a terrorist wants to blow something up they will - where there's a will there's a way... The purpose of terrorism is not to kill people, it's to terrorize. The dead are just a byproduct of the real goal which is to influence those who remain to change their lifestyles by putting, well, the fear of god in them.

August 11th, 2006, 06:25	#128
SpiraMirabilis Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,438	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted Are you serious? Are you blaming the government because people have to make sure that they don't have explosives in their shoes or in their shampoo? I don't think it is ridiculous that I have to take off my shoes when the alternative is possiblying being exploded at 40,000ft AGL. If you think I am exagerating, then what made the shoe-bomber get that idea? Would it have worked? Of course there will always be "holes" in security (TSA's incompetance, being a big one), but that is no reason to just throw up your hands and be like 'Well, since we probably can't realistically stop everyone, lets not even try.'

August 11th, 2006, 08:52	#130
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,810	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted As a closet Conservative-Libertarian, of course I am upset at the loss of personal liberty. Part of me, however, is looking forward to this "reduction in carry on luggage." Imagine how much quicker the planes will unload when each Jane Doe doesn't have to reach up and find her make up bag! Has anyone flown in the last few days? Has it made a difference in load, unload? __________________ "You know you're winning an argument with a liberal when they start calling you names" johntenney.com The PEO Message Myspace My Business - PEO Pros

August 11th, 2006, 09:47	#133
flygirl813126 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 343	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted To the complaints about the long waits at security.... I am not sure where you guys are flying out of (I can only speak to my experience), but security is not horrendously long if you are prepped at all. I can go to OHare 2 hours before a flight, check my bags, get a ticket, go through security, and end up at the gate with plenty of time to spare. To put this into perspective, how long does it take you to fly? -check weather -get plane out (or check out if renting) -add fuel, oil, etc. -thorough pre-flight I am not saying these two things are the same at all, but you are willing to go through steps to fly your plane, without complaining about the time. And, you know who you are carrying. (I am aware that airlines have to pre-flight, etc.) So just consider check-in, security, etc. the steps for an airliner.

August 11th, 2006, 10:36	#140
CapnJim Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: G-town, Near D-town. In T-state... er... whatever Posts: 4,499	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted I worked yesterday morning, at EWR. According to one news report, there was a security line that stretched over 600 yards at my airport. People were tired and worried about missing flights, of course, but the overwhelming mood was one of understanding, patience, and even humor. I though this was astounding, especially being in Newark. What struck me more than anything was how talkative people were in the terminal once they got through security. I couldn't sit down for more than a minute before I was mobbed by people asking questions, and almost none of those questions were security or terror related. It was as though they were trying to burn off the stress of security and terror thread by making idle chit-chat with someone "in uniform". I wasn't the only one to get the treatment-- Almost everyone who was a stationary target with any appearace of authority was getting the same treatment. I did my best to sound relaxed, confident, and humorous, but it seemed like the more I gave the more peope wanted. People are wierd. JohnT- turn times were about the same, but everyone who was going to carry-on was already at the airport when the fun began, and I only have 50 seats anyway, so it's difficult to judge. There was, of course, a sharp upturn in the number of checked-vs.-gatechecked bags. I would imagine the heavies will load up faster soon, with many people choosing to not carry on, or carry on much less. Gang, if this is the terrorists way of limiting our freedoms, they are going to loose. Imagine all the planning, coersion, espionage, and carefulness that went into planning this attack. The net result? I have to pack my shampoo in my checked bag. Whoopedie-doo. Even the simplest of military minds can see that this is about the most inefficient cost-benefit campaign in the history of warfare. It's ok. They're not burning the Constitution just yet.

August 11th, 2006, 12:59	#142
SeanD Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KLAS Posts: 3,579	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted I flew today from LAS to SAN? Okay its really not that bad. There are signs posted everywhere and I mean everywhere about the no liquids ect along with trash bins. I honestly didnt notice anything different besides the heavy odor of perfumes and cologne from people tossing them away. You can carry on electronics with no problem. All in all it wasnt a bad experience. Then again I wasnt at ORD or LAX. __________________ JoBama 08

August 11th, 2006, 16:58	#148
SoFlo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 703	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted I am stuck over here in Europe right now. We have been in Switzerland and right now I am in Amsterdam. We are supposed to go into Heathrow on Monday but I dont know how thats going to go. Ahhhhhhhhh

August 11th, 2006, 17:49	#149
WestIndian425 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KEWR (by way of Brooklyn, NY) Posts: 954	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted Can't you get something out of Schipol? I would rather fly out of Amsterdam, Frankfurt, or Paris to get back home than go through Heathrow right now...or maybe Gatwick isn't so bad. Neil __________________ God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground.

August 11th, 2006, 18:04	#150
RPM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: LAX Posts: 658	Re: Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted What I can't figure out is with all these rediculous bans, why in the heck do airlines still pass out coke cans....I mean, I'm glad they do but they are passing out an item that can EASILY be converted into a deadly weapon in a matter of seconds. Twist can to rip open, tear apart and fold edge, and now you have a razor sharp tool capable of slitting throats. just an observation...I can't be the only one who has ever realized this, no toothpaste but here is a razor sharp cutting device! idiots.

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