Trans-Atlantic Terror Threat Busted

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

LOL. . .your ignorance is shining.

Is this the standard operating procedure for conservatives in this country? Instead of focusing on the real issues, just start insulting the opposition.

Yeah, that'll protect us.

Okay. Let's not start this crap! Enough with the name-calling/finger-pointing. Either focus on the topic at hand or take the insults to the PM.

[pilot602]

Originally Posted by Champcar

Intel is not about getting fast arrests. Its about information, get all the info you can and string them out for all that they will provide you.

Did you read my post? This respoinse is apples and oranges...

If we "knew" this was a problem as has been claimed why did we wait til lAFTER a supposed plot happens to do anything (procedural changes) to circumvent it?

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

LOL. . .your ignorance is shining.

Is this the standard operating procedure for conservatives in this country? Instead of focusing on the real issues, just start insulting the opposition.

Yeah, that'll protect us.

Ok well you seem to know how to fix the problem so please tell us. You just make a big deal out of this cause you don't like the president, typical lefty, go against whatever the conservitives do for no other reason than thats just what they do.

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

What's to stop somebody from putting a timing device on these explosives when they're checked?

that's the loophole i'm talking about....it's just easy as pie to just stick them right into your checked luggage! altho checked luggage is screened which might prevent someone from trying it but still....

[EDUC8-or]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Uniformed flight crews are exempt, woo!

We weren't this morning. Anybody know where I can get some contact lens solution in Little Rock?

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by pilot602

WTH are you talking about? This response has absoloutely nothing to do with my point ...

Try again!

Well I guess I cant read then, I thought you were saying that the intel messed up and waited too long.

[SeanD]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

Your point?

We put a damn man on the moon. We can't protect our citizens? We are not ignorant individuals. We have brains, we have killer electronics.

USE THEM FOR CHRIST SAKES.

Don't paint everyone black because of a couple nutjobs. This is ridiculous, and it has to stop.

We have foiled many plots since 9/11 on a smaller scale. Im sure US intel was present in London and had a lot to do with foiling this plot. I am okay with doing what they tell me to do. No water? No problem Ill buy another or wait until I get on the plane. No toothpaste? Buy more. These are very minor inconveniences and so far it has worked.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by ready2fly

Okay. Let's not start this crap! Enough with the name-calling. Either focus on the topic at hand or take the insults to the PM.

I agree, focus on the issues at hand. But don't insult me by telling me I'm a poor American.

By April of next year I will have provided 4 years of my life for this country. Unfortunately it doesnt appear that it did any good. Our constitution continues to get urinated on, and we continue to fight a fake war in Iraq.

So now that our own government has failed us, again, they have a knee-jerk reaction because they don't know WHO could possibly do the acts that were twarted in the UK.

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by EDUC8-or

We weren't this morning. Anybody know where I can get some contact lens solution in Little Rock?

The Peabody??

[ready2fly]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I agree, focus on the issues at hand. But don't insult me by telling me I'm a poor American.

I did nothing of the sort.

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I agree, focus on the issues at hand. But don't insult me by telling me I'm a poor American.

By April of next year I will have provided 4 years of my life for this country. Unfortunately it doesnt appear that it did any good. Our constitution continues to get urinated on, and we continue to fight a fake war in Iraq.

So now that our own government has failed us, again, they have a knee-jerk reaction because they don't know WHO could possibly do the acts that were twarted in the UK.

no one called you a bad american, dont take everything to heart

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by ready2fly

I did nothing of the sort.

I know you didn't. Champcar felt the need to call everyone of us who disagree with the knee-jerk reaction as poor Americans.

Champcar,

I am doing what I feel is right. I've already spoken to all of my elected officials, for the state of South Carolina, and Georgia.

I'm getting my opinion heard, because I am un-happy with the way this country is being ran. I'm sorry but I'm not an elected official, so I can't exactly have my plan put in place. You follow? That's not how this country works.

What are you doing?

[MQAAord]

When Bill went through security this morning, flight crews were not yet exempt. I'm not sure what he ended updoing with his stuff, but I know he doesn't carry much in the way of liquids in his bags anyway. Just hairgel, toothpaste, etc.

I'll be curious to see how his day went! He's supposed to get to his overnight in an hour or so.

[SeanD]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I know you didn't. Champcar felt the need to call everyone of us who disagree with the knee-jerk reaction as poor Americans.

Champcar,

I am doing what I feel is right. I've already spoken to all of my elected officials, for the state of South Carolina, and Georgia.

I'm getting my opinion heard, because I am un-happy with the way this country is being ran. I'm sorry but I'm not an elected official, so I can't exactly have my plan put in place. You follow? That's not how this country works.

What are you doing?

Most of us dont agree either. I hate our President but I love this country and will obey what ever new rules are put in place to keep me and everyone else safe. Knee jerk or not this is a wake up call for all of us. These people still hate us and will stop at nothing to get to us. We need to remember that everyday. Yeah that sucks but that is the world we live in now.

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by Champcar

Last time I checked this is still a free country and a great one to live in, but I must be wrong. Whats the matter you cant handle alittle inconvenience every once in a while? Oh you poor american.

if inconvenience costs ME money... your damn right i'd be pissed....the stuff they're asking everyone to throw away adds up financially...if inconvenice costs me time, that's something i can deal with.

think the commuting regional guys are saying "awww, it's only $2"...$2 adds up over time!!

hell, i betcha a ton of women are having a conniption today because their $30 liquid foundation has to be thrown away with no compensation, even contact lens solution or anything medicinal like cough syrup...even the cheapest stuff is $5 a pop!! inconvience is one thing but when it's costing people a small fortune compounded with other prices that have gone up like gas - we're gonna have a big problem on our hands!

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by SeanD

Most of us dont agree either. I hate our President but I love this country and will obey what ever new rules are put in place to keep me and everyone else safe. Knee jerk or not this is a wake up call for all of us. These people still hate us and will stop at nothing to get to us. We need to remember that everyday. Yeah that sucks but that is the world we live in now.

Isn't that why men and women in my position are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Thankfully NATO is taking control of Afghanistan in the next coming months. But Iraq?

Yup, we are really protecting ourselves by fighting them over there, as opposed to fighting them here.

It is the world we live in. But we have the power of the vote, of a movement. If we are unhappy with how things are wrong we are (still thankfully) able to voice our dissenting opinions.

[pilot602]

I hate our President but I love this country and will obey what ever new rules are put in place to keep me and everyone else safe.

So Martin Luther King Jr. should have just obeyed? ...

Critical thinking folks ... critical thinking.

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

I know you didn't. Champcar felt the need to call everyone of us who disagree with the knee-jerk reaction as poor Americans.

Champcar,

I am doing what I feel is right. I've already spoken to all of my elected officials, for the state of South Carolina, and Georgia.

I'm getting my opinion heard, because I am un-happy with the way this country is being ran. I'm sorry but I'm not an elected official, so I can't exactly have my plan put in place. You follow? That's not how this country works.

What are you doing?

Pretty sure i've never done that. What i was saying was you are acting as if it is a bad thing that you are living in this free country and that you are beeing inconvenienced by your constant crying.

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by Kristie

if inconvenience costs ME money... your damn right i'd be pissed....the stuff they're asking everyone to throw away adds up financially...if inconvenice costs me time, that's something i can deal with.

think the commuting regional guys are saying "awww, it's only $2"...$2 adds up over time!!

hell, i betcha a ton of women are having a conniption today because their $30 liquid foundation has to be thrown away with no compensation...even the cheapest stuff is $5 a pop!! inconvience is one thing but when it's costing people a small fortune compounded with other prices that have gone up like gas - we're gonna have a big problem on our hands!

So lets forget about security becasue $30 of makeup is so much more important. Wow our priorities are still the same.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Champcar

Pretty sure i've never done that. What i was saying was you are acting as if it is a bad thing that you are living in this free country and that you are beeing inconvenienced by your constant crying.

So it's now a bad thing to try to protect individual's rights and civil liberties?

I'll end on this note.

Why, once again, we are not actually focusing on the problems before hand to actually provide sufficient protection to our citizens. Instead, we have kneejerk, off the cuff, reactions to information.

Just makes you wonder if our own government had a clue about this. And if they did, I can guarentee you that you would not see a paranoied driven reaction like we see today.

[pilot602]

Originally Posted by Champcar

So lets forget about security becasue $30 of makeup is so much more important. Wow our priorities are still the same.

The "undetectable" substances are now just going into the underside ofthe aircraft. They aren't being banned completely. THAT is the point. If they are still being allowed on the aircraft and can't be "detected" what the HEL is the point of barring them from the cabin. THERE IS NO POINT.

and THAT is the point.

[MQAAord]

I don't think everything liquid had to be thrown away, it just had to be checked. If you were a pax, you could just check your bag, and you were out nothing $-wise. (The liquid items in question this morning were separate items that had to be mixed to be explosive.)

Bill's F/As checked their bags so they wouldn't have to mail themselves anything or throw anything away. My guess is a working crew (especially commuter/regional crew at an outstation) could have left some stuff with the local station people and picked it up later or had it mailed to them.

We'll see a bit later here what the final fallout is going to be, if this liquid ban is going to remain, or if they'll just keep crews exempt or what. In the UK this morning NO carryons were being allowed, everything was having to be checked. Imagine boarding an international flight, and only be allowed a small clear plastic bag with your ID, money, and personal effects essential to the flight time!

[bike21]

I especially like how the goverment/media is so spectacularly talking about this story. Perhaps we all would have been better off with simple information about a terror plot was foiled and all could be well. Carry on. But no, our government is using this as yet another scare tactic (hence waiting until the last minute) to take away more of our liberties and spread paranoia. This is exactly what the #########s want. Disrupt our way of life and economy. Don't get me wrong, I am all about security but common sense and cool heads need to prevail. I really hope they get the investigation done quickly and things return to 'normal'.

I feel really bad for all commuters if they start sticking the rule to us. Commuting in uniform sucks, cause "no Mr. passenger I don't know where the flight to Houston is."

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by pilot602

The "undetectable" substances are now just going into the underside ofthe aircraft. They aren't being banned completely. THAT is the point. If they are still being allowed on the aircraft and can't be "detected" what the HEL is the point of barring them from the cabin. THERE IS NO POINT.

and THAT is the point.

Well then all electronics would have to be banned from the aircraft. Watch what happens when you take people iPods and laptops away.

[killbilly]

The solution is obvious.

1) Eliminate all carryon baggage. You can then take out the bins, make the planes lighter.

2) All passengers must fly naked.

There. Problem solved.