Am I screwed?

[Ophir]

Originally Posted by tonyw

Get a lawyer before you do ANYTHING!

Do not plead guilty. If you enter this plea you will end your entire process. You need counsel. Get a lawyer. If you can't afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to you (I'm sure you heard Miranda). Seriously, if you go in there with your tail between your legs you could screw yourself. You stand the chance of getting a really cool judge but then again you stand the equal chance to not get a cool judge.

Worst case scenario: Go in a do not open your mouth. See what the judge has to say. He may tell what he'll do if you plead guilty. He has to inform of your rights and the process that you can take towards a jury trial. Chances are that given your lack of a record he will give you some deferred sentance that will be expunged if you stay out of trouble. But don't accept anything that will stay on your record. You really need to have a lawyer with you!

[Louie1975]

As an aside, does anyone else find it highly hypocritical that you can be asked to go kill and be killed for your country, train to become an airline pilot and flight instructor, but cannot have a beer before age 21? I mean I was sort of anti-drinking when I was in high-school and the beginning of college but an honest look at this reveals to me that it doesn't make much sense

[BCTAv8r]

Originally Posted by Louie1975

As an aside, does anyone else find it highly hypocritical that you can be asked to go kill and be killed for your country, train to become an airline pilot and flight instructor, but cannot have a beer before age 21? I mean I was sort of anti-drinking when I was in high-school and the beginning of college but an honest look at this reveals to me that it doesn't make much sense

Yes it is. It should be lowered to 18. Not that it makes much of a difference anyways. People will drink regardless of what the law says.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

Learn from this mistake (granted you didnt do anything wrong) ...

Yes, he did something wrong. He broke the law. He willfully broke the law.



In fact, you acknowledge that he did something wrong by characterizing the event as a mistake, right before you contradicted yourself.






Brazilian_Pilot - - if you plan to enjoy a career in the field of aviation, you should seek expert legal counsel. You won't find that here.







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[Brazilian_Pilot]

Yes I definetly made a mistake and unfortunatelly I did brake the law.
I will call an attorney but I'm not certain that I will hire one. I committed the lowest possible misdemeanor, I learned from many different sources that its going to be a slap in the wrist.

This experience was a real wake up call. Its a real turn off to know that in this industry you have to be pretty much perfect, there is no room for error in your personal life. I worked real hard to pay for my flight lessons, stayed out of trouble, and am doing very well in college, the fact that a little mistake like this could jeopardize my career brings me to belive that it might not be worth the investment of $40,000 in flight training. I love aviation and there is nothing I rather do than flying, but i also want to enjoy life, not have to work 40 hours a week and go to school at night and have it all thrown out because I blew a .007 in a breathalizer.

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by Brazilian_Pilot

Yes I definetly made a mistake and unfortunatelly I did brake the law.
I will call an attorney but I'm not certain that I will hire one. I committed the lowest possible misdemeanor, I learned from many different sources that its going to be a slap in the wrist.

This experience was a real wake up call. Its a real turn off to know that in this industry you have to be pretty much perfect, there is no room for error in your personal life. I worked real hard to pay for my flight lessons, stayed out of trouble, and am doing very well in college, the fact that a little mistake like this could jeopardize my career brings me to belive that it might not be worth the investment of $40,000 in flight training. I love aviation and there is nothing I rather do than flying, but i also want to enjoy life, not have to work 40 hours a week and go to school at night and have it all thrown out because I blew a .007 in a breathalizer.

Well, maybe you should get your PVT and enjoy flying on the side, then because there are many things that can end your career. Bust a checkride or two at an airline, bust a medical, get a DUI...all are potential career busters. It's not sounding like you are as dedicated as you need to be for this career. Good luck with the ticket.

[Brazilian_Pilot]

Maybe you are right!

[Louie1975]

And Rosa Parks 'broke the law' too. Should all flight students who grew up in Italian-American families and given wine with dinner since they were young have there dedication to aviation questioned? Yes, comparing your incident with Rosa Parks doesn't compare much, but I am trying to illustrate a point. Your not immoral or unworthy for piloting because you went camping and had some beers. If you had got behind the wheel of a car this would be a different story morally. Just get the technical legal help and be more careful.

[averyrm]

It's legal to have wine with dinner if your parents are giving it to you (at least in some states).

It is not legal to "just have a couple beers" in a public area, underage.

You are probably not going to cut it as a pilot if you're worried about having to keep your record clean. "Some errors in your personal life" and "having a good time," don't involve being handcuffed.

[Brazilian_Pilot]

I'm not worried about keeping my record clean!

I was never a trouble maker, and never looked for trouble I drank 2 beers in almost 2 hours went to sleep yes I broke the law but im not a punk! This is my first ticket ever in ANYTHING!

[frog_flyer]

Originally Posted by TonyC

Yes, he did something wrong. He broke the law. He willfully broke the law.



In fact, you acknowledge that he did something wrong by characterizing the event as a mistake, right before you contradicted yourself.

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maybe i consider his mistake leaving the tent? or not running from the cops? or...? Now I DONT think that, thatd be retarded. But in my eyes (yes i know my opinion doesn't matter), having 2 brews with some buddies in a secluded area, not bothering anyone, and not driving around hitting siht with your car/truck is not a problem. I think cops should be more worried about people that get sloshed at bars/tailgates, etc (mostly 21+) because theyre the ones that drive home. Someone taking a piss before he lays down to bed... comon. That cop was a prick, but nothing you can do about it. If you want a brew, have it with your parents.

/rant

[averyrm]

I miss-read your post then. When you were saying there was no room for error and you wanted to have fun, I took it as you didn't want to have to worry about one or two little tickets/ arrests/ whatever.

The post was mostly in reply to Louie. Give ol' Lionel Hutz a call, best of luck!

[Brazilian_Pilot]

I'm not a drunk or a huge partier, I went camping with my friends as way to celebrate the school year being over I was actually planning on working on memorial day. I wanted to save up for a g1000 transition in the 172

[tonyw]

Originally Posted by Louie1975

Should all flight students who grew up in Italian-American families and given wine with dinner since they were young have there dedication to aviation questioned?

Having a drink with your folks at dinner in your own house is a very different thing than drinking in public.

I personally think the drinking age should be 18, but it's not. So if you get busted drinking while you're under 21, well, actions have consequences.

[Doug Taylor]

It should be 18. If you can vote and are eligible for draft, those are larger responsibilities to bear than choosing between a Schlitz and a Bartles & James.

I think it would actually reduce binge drinking as well because it demystifies drinking.

[frog_flyer]

i think you're right doug. When someone who is 18 whom doesnt have regular access to alcohol (ie friend with ID, goofy liquor store, etc) is likely to go absolutely crazy when he/she does get a hold of some liquor or beer.

[deserteaglle]

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

i think you're right doug. When someone who is 18 whom doesnt have regular access to alcohol (ie friend with ID, goofy liquor store, etc) is likely to go absolutely crazy when he/she does get a hold of some liquor or beer.

I dunno though, I'm assuming you're over 21, but I've seen a couple posts of yours where you weren't typng inside the lines...if y aknow what I mean.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

I don't see the point of beer.

I don't either cause you can easily just chill with a mojito,peach or apple martini or some really good red or white wine. Beer is nasty. Doug Taylor in 1...2...3!

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

I don't either cause you can easily just chill with a mojito,peach or apple martini or some really good red or white wine. Beer is nasty. Doug Taylor in 1...2...3!

Wine is nasty too, I've drinken/drunk/drank entirely too much in the past few weekends. Vodka + mixer = good enough for me. Or if you're feeling really exquisite, try a Goose and Crown.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by tonyw

Having a drink with your folks at dinner in your own house is a very different thing than drinking in public.

I personally think the drinking age should be 18, but it's not. So if you get busted drinking while you're under 21, well, actions have consequences.

I have to disagree on a purely technical point of view. The law is the law, if you are drinking with your parents at dinner or in some backwoods bonfire party with your friends (underage we be talking here) it is still a sick bird, both most likely could have contributing to the badness of a minor attached as well.

I do agree the drinking age should be 18 and I strongly believe that would help cut down on the college scene binge drinking and even save a few lives, I know it would have saved me a few really bad hangovers.

[averyrm]

Except that having a drink in your house with your folks is legal underage.

[averyrm]

Heck, In Ohio, your parents can buy you a drink at a bar legally.

[Citationkid]

Your organs can't handle alcohal at 18 as well as they can at 21. The extra three years gives you organs more time to mature. I know nothing about the body, but that's what I've heard about the drinking age. I have no idea how true it is so there's no real point in directing any argument towards me if its wrong.

Alex.

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by averyrm

Except that having a drink in your house with your folks is legal underage.

Is it really? I need to have a word with my dad.

[BCTAv8r]

Originally Posted by Citationkid

Your organs can't handle alcohal at 18 as well as they can at 21. The extra three years gives you organs more time to mature. I know nothing about the body, but that's what I've heard about the drinking age. I have no idea how true it is so there's no real point in directing any argument towards me if its wrong.

Alex.

So I guess most of the world is wrong, as most countries have the drinking age set at 18.