Actual Pay

[atpwannabe]

Greetings everyone:

I was hoping to a better idea of what the ACTUAL PAY is for FO's and Capt's of any regional airline out there. I know that there are many variables, however, I am hoping to get a TRUE sense of what the average monthly pay is really like. Please include any other information you deem to be helpful.

Only genuine responses, please.

Thanks.


atp

[jtrain609]

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com

Take the hourly rate, add three zero's to the end and you roughly have the yearly pay rate.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by atpwannabe

Only genuine responses, please.

Like waving a red flag at a bull....

[atpwannabe]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Like waving a red flag at a bull....

I say your quote and I can't stop laughing.... ...LOL!!!!

JH: I already post comments there. Was wanting to get some actuals though!!!

[TheFlyingTurkey]

Originally Posted by atpwannabe

JH: I already post comments there. Was wanting to get some actuals though!!!

Those are the actuals.

At Piedmont first year FO makes $24/hour
Minimum guarantee of 72 hours per month $24x72=$1728
The variables are:
1. Any time you fly over guarantee and
2. Add in $1.40 per diem for every hour away from base.

After taxes and uniform payments I bring home about $1600 a month. And I never fly more than guarantee.

This is pretty standard for a first year FO but at some airlines you will fly over guarantee. It all depends on staffing levels at each airline. More FO's on reserve = less flying.

[atpwannabe]

Originally Posted by TheFlyingTurkey

Those are the actuals.

At Piedmont first year FO makes $24/hour
Minimum guarantee of 72 hours per month $24x72=$1728
The variables are:
1. Any time you fly over guarantee and
2. Add in $1.40 per diem for every hour away from base.

After taxes and uniform payments I bring home about $1600 a month. And I never fly more than guarantee.

This is pretty standard for a first year FO but at some airlines you will fly over guarantee. It all depends on staffing levels at each airline. More FO's on reserve = less flying.

TFT:

This just the kind of info I was looking for. You know, what I can actually expect to make.

Thanks again.

Hope to see you out there one day.

atp

[wheelsup]

I posted this a few days ago, just copied and pasted here:

I would assume these things (change if not applicable):

1) You will make guarantee ONLY
2) You won't get any per diem
3) You will get medical/dental insurance (average of $50/$6 per month for each)
4) You will contribute at least 10% pre-tax toward retirement
5) You are filing as a single (not married)

Doing so results in approximately 30% of my paycheck being taken out at this extremely low tax bracket of 1st year FO pay.

75 hrs/pay x $23.81/hr (1st year FO pay here)
Pre tax = $1785/month. Post tax & deductions = $1250/month. Comes in two paychecks of about $630. This is the bare minimum you will make if you fly absolutely ZERO hours in the month.

If you can make your monthly obligations on around $1000/month, I'd say you'd be ok at most companies (most of the regionals, the smaller commuters you might be hurting a bit).

Now, that being said, I've had months I've brought in $2,000 post-tax when I work my butt off and credit over guarantee, but I never assumed I'd do it.

At my airline, current reserves are projected to hold a line in 6 months. I got a line in 4 months, people after me got a line right away without any reserve. Once a lineholder, you can expect to work an average of 80 hours per month (sometimes more, I am crediting a minimum of 91 hours this month bidding #53 out of 65 lines, so pretty junior) with 300 hours time away from base which counts as your per diem pay. These are low estimates.

So, 80 hrs x $23.81/hr = $1905 x .70 for taxes/deductions = $1333
300 hours x $1.40 per diem = $420 tax free.

That equates to about $1750 AFTER taxes per month.

For a typical airlines' pay, just replace the $23.81/hr with whatever they pay first year, second year, etc.

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by atpwannabe

Greetings everyone:

I was hoping to a better idea of what the ACTUAL PAY is for FO's and Capt's of any regional airline out there. I know that there are many variables, however, I am hoping to get a TRUE sense of what the average monthly pay is really like. Please include any other information you deem to be helpful.

Only genuine responses, please.

Thanks.


atp

Pretty much enough to afford a SHARED bedroom in a crappy apartment complex in the ghetto

"But but but... I thought airline pilots make a lot of money! Like at LEAST 6 figures!"

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com

Take the hourly rate, add three zero's to the end and you roughly have the yearly pay rate.

Unfortunately, that is almost 10k lower than my current pay. It works some times, but we get rig pay, so it throws a curve into that theory. Also, technically we have a monthly guarantee of 160 hours (total rig).

[wheelsup]

Is the Nov. 2002 date for learjet CA award correct? That seems pretty senior, in fact almost a year more than the regional I'm at now.

[Stone Cold]

If that's for me, no it's not. My roommates both should be upgrading soon to LR CA and have been with the company for about 2 years each. About 12-14 months to LR SIC, about another 12-14 months to LR CA.

Also, both my classmates (we took checkrides in June 05) are bidding on LR spots...they both had normal runs and are both about 2500-3000TT (read: flew a ton), while I did the reserve thing and averaged less than 1/2 of what they flew, so waiting on 2000TT to get the Lear spot. I had the lowest time of the three of us (1170TT for me, 1250 and 1600 for the other two). I am currently at almost 1800TT, so another few months...it's all about the QOL, though, for me.

[wheelsup]

tx,

If you could take a moment and update Airnet's info here, maybe it will help people in making the decision to go there?

Having bad info, IMO, is worse than having any info IMO.

Also, in regards to Airnet's pay scale on APC, their pay scale is based per MONTH, so you'd multiply that figure by 12. Maybe this is closer to the correct figure? I've heard however you can do pretty well there, over $30k easily first year.

At a 121 company you'd add the "0" for the 1000 hrs/yr deal.

How did you friends fly 1400 hrs in less than 1 year there?

[Cheechako]

Once you get on in the years and start getting vacation/work rules/profit sharing/training/per diem pay you'll find the pre-tax numbers a little more along the lines of 1200 x hourly pay. There's more in our paychecks than just straight pay per flight hour.

[Stone Cold]

Originally Posted by wheelsup

tx,

If you could take a moment and update Airnet's info here, maybe it will help people in making the decision to go there?

Having bad info, IMO, is worse than having any info IMO.

Also, in regards to Airnet's pay scale on APC, their pay scale is based per MONTH, so you'd multiply that figure by 12. Maybe this is closer to the correct figure? I've heard however you can do pretty well there, over $30k easily first year.

At a 121 company you'd add the "0" for the 1000 hrs/yr deal.

How did you friends fly 1400 hrs in less than 1 year there?

Wheelsup,

I'll update later int he week when I have more time, thanks for pointing this out to me. As far as pay, yes, the 12 x works out to be closer to our base pay.

As far as the 1400 hours, he had a little over 1600, and is around 2900+ right now. 135.267 (a)(3):

(3) 1,400 hours in any calendar year.

. He is close to the yearly totals...one of our highest time runs, and 5 days a week...probably making around 35K+ a year. No, I haven't asked how much he was making, but he just bid into the ORL run, which is a min pay, 75 hour a month run, so he'll be able to enjoy life more. Jerk outbid me by 2 numbers for it

[wheelsup]

Originally Posted by txpilot

As far as the 1400 hours, he had a little over 1600, and is around 2900+ right now. 135.267 (a)(3):.

Ah, somewhere I had 1200 hours per calender year stuck in my mind...must be something else.

You may be lucky he got the ORL run. I used to instruct there, and over the summer it was HOT AND MUGGY. Even 10,000 feet up it was +10 some days LOL. No AC would suck !

[Seggy]

My gross pay (BEFORE taxes) so far for this year has been about 8,000

[pilot602]

Originally Posted by atpwannabe

Greetings everyone:

I was hoping to a better idea of what the ACTUAL PAY is for FO's and Capt's of any regional airline out there. I know that there are many variables, however, I am hoping to get a TRUE sense of what the average monthly pay is really like. Please include any other information you deem to be helpful.

Only genuine responses, please.

Thanks.


atp

Two words: it sucks.

Look up the pay rates at various web sites. The best you're gonna see is 26k/yr at Horizon the worse is Great Lakes at 13.5k/yr. These are the minimum guarantees but you really can't count on anything but the minimum.

My minimum is 15.5/yr but we fly enough first year (no reserve) to break minimum and an FO here will expect to gross about 18 +/- 2k the first year.

[skydog]

Originally Posted by TheFlyingTurkey

Those are the actuals.

At Piedmont first year FO makes $24/hour
Minimum guarantee of 72 hours per month $24x72=$1728
The variables are:
1. Any time you fly over guarantee and
2. Add in $1.40 per diem for every hour away from base.

After taxes and uniform payments I bring home about $1600 a month. And I never fly more than guarantee.

This is pretty standard for a first year FO but at some airlines you will fly over guarantee. It all depends on staffing levels at each airline. More FO's on reserve = less flying.

Whatever they pay your, it is #####. Case in point: I worked at Piedmont from 96 to 98. Starting pay back then was about $22 an hour. 10 years later, this fellow is only making $24. Just based on 3% cost of living raises the starting pay should be over $30

[FlyChicaga]

About $2400-$2500 take home after taxes, union dues, 401(k) contributions, pass travel deductions, etc. This is second year RJ FO.