Fuel Surcharges??

WindyCityPilot · May 6th, 2006, 08:58

Just curious if other FBO's out there are charging fuel surcharges to offset the rising fuel costs?? My FBO started charging additinal fuel surcharges about 6 or 7 months ago and just raised the surcharge this past week again. For a Piper Warrior the fuel surcharge is $12/hour on top of the rental charge. For the Eclipses that I normally fly it's only $7/hour.

What's everyone else seeing out there??

Ian J · May 6th, 2006, 09:01

8% at ROC.

FlyingNole · May 6th, 2006, 09:30

Averaging 7 an hr

Okstate Pilot · May 6th, 2006, 10:31

$15.00 for late model 172's at Wiley Post in OKC.

FlyingNole · May 6th, 2006, 10:42

Its all shizer

Doug Taylor · May 6th, 2006, 10:43

It's actually a good thing.

If the cost of rentals didn't increase with the price of fuel, it's either a fuel surcharge or less maintenance!

ColMustard · May 6th, 2006, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

It's actually a good thing.

If the cost of rentals didn't increase with the price of fuel, it's either a fuel surcharge or less maintenance!

And as a CFI, helping my paycheck too

Were ranging from $4-$12 (152's - Piper Seneca respectively). Here at KPAE, we've been above the $4.50/gal for avgas for quite a while. Whats everybody else seeing?

-ColM

BTW, how do'ya get that "yeah that" icon on these replies.

caliginousface · May 6th, 2006, 11:49

Squad 2 out in RHV just ups the rental rates. $76 for a 152, $120 range for 172sp, $210 for the Duchess.

Last time I fueled it was $3.99, but that was last week, it's probably $4.10ish now.

BrianNC · May 6th, 2006, 11:53

Why the "fuel surcharge" anyway? Is it just a way for them to increase the rental rate without calling it that? Why don't they just do a rate increase and be done with it? Seems like a "shady" way of just raising the rental rate to me, when that is effectively what you have done.

MarkE · May 6th, 2006, 12:26

$5 surcharge out of VNY for a PA28-161

Ian J · May 6th, 2006, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianNC

Why the "fuel surcharge" anyway? Is it just a way for them to increase the rental rate without calling it that? Why don't they just do a rate increase and be done with it? Seems like a "shady" way of just raising the rental rate to me, when that is effectively what you have done.

I completely agree! Why not just raise the rates. It seems to me we're advertsing a "reasonable" rate per hour, and once the customer gets used to it and likes it, we say, "oh yeah, ands its like a 8% fuel surcharge... no big deal." And they are okay with it because all they remember is that original rate.

pavelump · May 6th, 2006, 20:17

I would speculate that with the volitile nature of fuel these days, it would be more of a pain in the arse to redo your rental rates on a weekly basis and have to change websites, printed literature, etc.

They ought to just rent them out dry and then you pay for what you use, but that would probably end up being a similar pain...

mtsu_av8er · May 6th, 2006, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianNC

Why the "fuel surcharge" anyway? Is it just a way for them to increase the rental rate without calling it that? Why don't they just do a rate increase and be done with it? Seems like a "shady" way of just raising the rental rate to me, when that is effectively what you have done.

Because my flight school actually LOWERS or ELIMINATES the fuel surcharge when fuel prices go down again.

Ian J · May 6th, 2006, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Because my flight school actually LOWERS or ELIMINATES the fuel surcharge when fuel prices go down again.

As does mine... but then again you could just lower your rate when (IF) the fuel rates decline.

The thing is, because of inflation prices always go up. What, are we going to keep 2006 prices for the next 20 years and eventually pay a 120% "fuel" charge in 2026? (Extreme, I know, but you get the idea.

The thing they have to ask themselves is, are fuel prices really going to come down that much again?

gtpilot · May 9th, 2006, 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Because my flight school actually LOWERS or ELIMINATES the fuel surcharge when fuel prices go down again.

Fuel prices go down?

n57flyguy · May 9th, 2006, 08:57

100LL is $3.95 at my FBO

Id imagine we have a surcharge, but Im not sure, Ill get the inside scoop when I work there

WindyCityPilot · May 9th, 2006, 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Because my flight school actually LOWERS or ELIMINATES the fuel surcharge when fuel prices go down again.

Must be nice to fly with a school who's owner is not out to bend you over! The typical process goes like this at my school...fuel prices go up...fuel surcharge gets added....fuel prices go down....the fuel surcharge gets dropped but magically all the rental rates go up by the same amount...fuel goes up...and over and over and over.

I would say that the rental pice for the Diamond Eclipse has gone from $78/hour about a month ago to about $105/hour today. They're even getting over $100/hour for a Warrior II now. A VFR only Warrior II that has about 9,000 hours on it.

n57flyguy · May 9th, 2006, 09:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by WindyCityPilot

I would say that the rental pice for the Diamond Eclipse has gone from $78/hour about a month ago to about $105/hour today. They're even getting over $100/hour for a Warrior II now. A VFR only Warrior II that has about 9,000 hours on it.

Tomahawk is about $77/hour, there Arrow is at about $108/hour. A VFR Warrior that has 9000 on it? man....

WindyCityPilot · May 9th, 2006, 09:24

OK well maybe not 9,000.

But you get the idea....they are by no means nice Warriors. Beat up interiors, just the basic avionics...single nav/com that work "most" of the time....

n57flyguy · May 9th, 2006, 12:07

LOl, wasnt sure if you were serious or not. Yeah, I wonder about our tomahawks, there pretty basic, I think Its worth it to pay more for a nice, newer aircraft. I cant wait to fly a 172, sounds stupid and like 737 should replace 172, but hey, short term goal

I wish our FBO had newer a/c, not tired old pipers, but they fly, I guess.

May 6th, 2006, 08:58	#1
WindyCityPilot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 755	Fuel Surcharges?? Just curious if other FBO's out there are charging fuel surcharges to offset the rising fuel costs?? My FBO started charging additinal fuel surcharges about 6 or 7 months ago and just raised the surcharge this past week again. For a Piper Warrior the fuel surcharge is $12/hour on top of the rental charge. For the Eclipses that I normally fly it's only $7/hour. What's everyone else seeing out there??

May 6th, 2006, 09:01	#2
Ian J Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manchester, CT Posts: 5,749 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? 8% at ROC. __________________

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FlyingNole Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 2,090	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? Averaging 7 an hr __________________ Don't call her a babe, ok? She is a Chechnyan prostitute, and you will address her as such! -ATHF

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Okstate Pilot Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oklahoma City, Ok Posts: 7	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? $15.00 for late model 172's at Wiley Post in OKC.

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May 6th, 2006, 11:49	#8
caliginousface Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: san jose, ca Posts: 2,027	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? Squad 2 out in RHV just ups the rental rates. $76 for a 152, $120 range for 172sp, $210 for the Duchess. Last time I fueled it was $3.99, but that was last week, it's probably $4.10ish now. __________________

May 6th, 2006, 11:53	#9
BrianNC Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 817	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? Why the "fuel surcharge" anyway? Is it just a way for them to increase the rental rate without calling it that? Why don't they just do a rate increase and be done with it? Seems like a "shady" way of just raising the rental rate to me, when that is effectively what you have done. __________________ BrianNC

May 6th, 2006, 12:26	#10
MarkE Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tarzana, CA (KVNY) Posts: 1,532	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? $5 surcharge out of VNY for a PA28-161

May 6th, 2006, 20:17	#12
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 790	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? I would speculate that with the volitile nature of fuel these days, it would be more of a pain in the arse to redo your rental rates on a weekly basis and have to change websites, printed literature, etc. They ought to just rent them out dry and then you pay for what you use, but that would probably end up being a similar pain...

May 9th, 2006, 08:57	#16
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,724	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? 100LL is $3.95 at my FBO Id imagine we have a surcharge, but Im not sure, Ill get the inside scoop when I work there __________________ -Paul It ain't always 65 and sunny

May 9th, 2006, 09:24	#19
WindyCityPilot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 755	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? OK well maybe not 9,000. But you get the idea....they are by no means nice Warriors. Beat up interiors, just the basic avionics...single nav/com that work "most" of the time....

May 9th, 2006, 12:07	#20
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,724	Re: Fuel Surcharges?? LOl, wasnt sure if you were serious or not. Yeah, I wonder about our tomahawks, there pretty basic, I think Its worth it to pay more for a nice, newer aircraft. I cant wait to fly a 172, sounds stupid and like 737 should replace 172, but hey, short term goal I wish our FBO had newer a/c, not tired old pipers, but they fly, I guess. __________________ -Paul It ain't always 65 and sunny

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