anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? - Page 2

Alchemy · May 9th, 2006, 00:54

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God help us all.

And you're what, a 27 year old lear captain? If you're gonna criticize 21 year old RJ FO's, well.....

IFly85 · May 9th, 2006, 01:04

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Originally Posted by jonnyb

God help us all.

What? What is wrong with someone younger than you starting with an ok job at a regional?

Cruise · May 9th, 2006, 09:17

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Originally Posted by SteveC

I would take a couple of months off and see Europe on the cheap. Youth hostels for a roof over your head, Europass for transportation, and bread from the street vendors for a meal. You'll have the time of your life.

You will never, ever, ever regret taking those few months off from your career path.

I'll second that!!!!!!!!!! You're young.....go live and enjoy life! I did it and would never, ever give up those experiences! Work sucks....regardless if you office window is at FL250.

That being said I love my job.......but I'd rather be travelling the world w/out any work to return to.

Also, in my intitial class, one of the guys was only 20.

CapnJim · May 9th, 2006, 09:21

Standing by for "People under 21 can't fly jets because.." thread hijack in 5....4....3....2....1....

Doug Taylor · May 9th, 2006, 10:34

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Originally Posted by IFly85

What? What is wrong with someone younger than you starting with an ok job at a regional?

Get an education, please.

I preach and preach and preach about getting a college education but no one listens.

In my personal opinion, aww hell, nevermind.

Diamnd15 · May 9th, 2006, 11:13

I agree with you Doug, you should never give up on telling people to get an education; it’s the number 1 thing people should worry about. Especially in this field if you want to get on with a major some day. I tell some of my friends the same that to stay in school, they look at me like I’m crazy. I’m 18 right now with one part time job, a part time flying job, and cfi. I love my job and would not trade it for anything, but looking back I still wish I could have just been one of those college kids who just goes to school and has fun during these years. But I should have my AS degree by the time I am 19, and hopefully my BS well before I’m 21. But by all means no one should have to work all day and go to school at night when there under 21 because that’s not the life people should be having at those years of life, they should be having fun. I bet anyone who looks back at those years of their life would be much happier if all they were doing was partying and just having fun, not working all the time.

Aviator737 · May 9th, 2006, 11:33

Well, I listened Doug. It was actually while I was building time in the ATP program (having grown so itchy to fly that I had plunged into a fast-track program prior to any college), and my flight partner and I were hanging around the ASU campus near the PHX location, when my partner said, "This is where you belong." I was further enlightened while cruising at altitude, staring blindly at instruments, getting jostled around by turbulence, that this is what I would be doing for the rest of my professional life ...

So it was while I was in the thick of my flight training that I realized I wanted to go to college. Ironical, eh? And I couldn't be happier.

DE727UPS · May 9th, 2006, 13:31

"I preach and preach and preach about getting a college education but no one listens"

I once worked for a third level supplemental cargo outfit flying Convairs. This was during the late 80's when times were pretty good in the airline pilot hiring biz.

It was interesting to see what seperated the "lifers", who were stuck at that level, and those who moved on to bigger and better things. Had nothing to do with piloting ability, skill, or experience. The "lifers" were the guys without degrees.

If you're aiming for the top of the profession, you better figure out a way to check that square.

Doug Taylor · May 9th, 2006, 13:55

Before I leave for work, here's the next answer:

"Yeah, but Bill Gates and your millionaire uncle aren't competing for a job at Fed Ex"

(someone invariably says "You can be a success without a degree...Bill Gates... My millionaire uncle... yadda yadda yadda")

sorrygottarunway · May 9th, 2006, 14:09

Question: why do kids see their under-21 counterparts that have a regional job as competition... because of their age? It is visible at some airports where there are quite a few young Mesa FOs. The "Wow! he's only 21" expression has been heard around those parts a few times, and get just a slightly raised eyebrow and dumb look from captains that have been in the industry for a couple of years.

jonnyb · May 9th, 2006, 14:26

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aww hell, nevermind.

Exactly.

higney85 · May 9th, 2006, 14:45

Well this topic went a bit off from where I started it with. For those who are just looking through the post- I am all for education and having a good time doing it. I have been in school for 3 years and have just a couple summer classes to put the degree in the resume. On top of that I began flying as soon as I could start driving and since I arrived at school and had my multi/commercial I realised that every job from here on out should be in the aviaiton field. A line job is good while you do the cfi/II/MEI and just getting flight time with the base customers will bring on some good connections for the initial time and experience. From there (and the past year and a half) its been school and instructing. Some say you can't have fun but I seem to party hardy at least a couple times a week. I am trying to get a 121 job and will be doing my MBA online. I guess the goal is to be at a major by age 25. I have had a blast so far, and hope to be in a position to have more fun later in life with a wife and kids. Time will tell. Moral of this reply is to let the people just starting out in the profession to know that you can bust your ass and still have fun. Being young in the industry is DEFINATELY a good thing. Companies know you will be around for a while and it shows you have good work ethic for being years ahead of the rest of the competition.

Cruise · May 9th, 2006, 14:59

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Originally Posted by higney85

..... Being young in the industry is DEFINATELY a good thing. Companies know you will be around for a while and it shows you have good work ethic for being years ahead of the rest of the competition.

Being older is DEFINITELY a good thing.......it shows employers you've gained invaluable life-experiences prior to jumping into a commercial airliner. Additionally, by being older you will, most likely, be much more responsible than your younger counterparts. AGE is not a bad thing, and the only way to gain experience in life is to live it!

SteveC · May 9th, 2006, 15:03

Pssst......go wander around Europe for a summer. Really!

Doug Taylor · May 9th, 2006, 16:25

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Originally Posted by SteveC

Pssst......go wander around Europe for a summer. Really!

Absolutely.

Ahh, but youth is wasted on the young...

bullmastiff · May 9th, 2006, 16:35

These days you can get credits for practically anything.. No reason why someone shouldnt be plugging away at the degree at least partrt ime

IFly85 · May 10th, 2006, 11:29

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Get an education, please.

I preach and preach and preach about getting a college education but no one listens.

In my personal opinion, aww hell, nevermind.

Hhhmmmm, why have I been sitting at a place for 3 years? Oh yeah because I am in college

higney85 · May 10th, 2006, 18:36

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Originally Posted by IFly85

Hhhmmmm, why have I been sitting at a place for 3 years? Oh yeah because I am in college

now josh, have a beer and calm down, itll be OK... if you give me a darn resume I can get you a job so you ARENT sitting around for ANOTHER 3 years in school... geez lol

IFly85 · May 10th, 2006, 20:19

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Originally Posted by higney85

now josh, have a beer and calm down, itll be OK... if you give me a darn resume I can get you a job so you ARENT sitting around for ANOTHER 3 years in school... geez lol

HAHA thanks man will do but I might have some new info on the "original" job but you'll have one monday at the latest

dieselman1220 · August 16th, 2006, 14:49

Im 20 I have my AS degree right now and plan on starting the UVSC online stuff in a few weeks. I have an interview with Express Jet and one at Colgan. XJ was a walk in Colgan was on my own but i did work for them as a ramp agent at ACT while i was in school so maybe you could consider it "walked in" My plan is to just get comfy in the right seat and finish my bachelors online slowly i cant see my self at a major any sooner than 6 years minimum so i feel like i have that much time to get it done. As far as the whole young pilot stuff it sucks, ive lost a handfull of fun flights in peoples Bonanzas and Barrons because of my age. Its ok though one guy who was 59 grabbed one of those slots flying a barron the had like 900/60 to my 800/170 and got a violaton for some reason or another because he said he couldnt keep up with the airplane. No offense at all to Older pilots the best pilots i have ever flown with were older gentleman, but it sucks when most people wont even give us younger guys a chance even though we may be more qualified. I dont understand all my students that are under 30 seem to learn to fly twice as quickly as guys over 30, for the most part. Its always going to be an ongoing battle though the young quick sharp pilots vs the older supposedly more expierienced just because he/she is older pilot.

Kingairer · August 16th, 2006, 15:13

Hiney, Any updates?

mrivc211 · August 16th, 2006, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

And you're what, a 27 year old lear captain? If you're gonna criticize 21 year old RJ FO's, well.....

27 is a heck.......no let me back track..........27 is a hel*l of a lot different than 19.....or 20......or 21.....or 22.......or 23. Inmy opinion I've matured more in the last 5 years, than I have in the previous 15 before that.

higney85 · August 16th, 2006, 18:56

Guys, as an upadate... I have been 21 now for a month and just completed an interview with Pinnacle (yesterday- I feel it went great!) and now I got a call from ASA.. I was definately the youngest one out of the group at pinnacle to interview by at 3 years. I dont think age is as much of a big deal, the regionals are now just using the ATP written as a benchmark requirement (aka- make you be 21). Also I am below the mins- I only have 875tt/240multi.

Kingairer · August 16th, 2006, 19:33

How many times can you say 21 in the same paragraph....Are there any magazines for when you get lonely that say 21 on them?

GrantHubbell · August 17th, 2006, 14:48

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Originally Posted by CFI_Ty

I'm 19, no college and I will be flying the Embraer 135/145 shortly. There are some regionals that dont have an age limit and some that are very strict on it (American Eagle).

Why on gods green earth do you not have a college education. Its great that you will be flying a ERJ but what will you say when older people move up to better flying jobs because they went to college. You beat them to the jets, but they beat you to the salary/career rewards.

Besides college is a time to have a good time and party. I know that it is peoples most exciting and best memories pf life.

My .02

May 9th, 2006, 09:21	#29
CapnJim Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: All up in Cantubury, tellin' tales. Posts: 4,444	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Standing by for "People under 21 can't fly jets because.." thread hijack in 5....4....3....2....1....

May 9th, 2006, 11:13	#31
Diamnd15 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area, Cali Posts: 267	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? I agree with you Doug, you should never give up on telling people to get an education; it’s the number 1 thing people should worry about. Especially in this field if you want to get on with a major some day. I tell some of my friends the same that to stay in school, they look at me like I’m crazy. I’m 18 right now with one part time job, a part time flying job, and cfi. I love my job and would not trade it for anything, but looking back I still wish I could have just been one of those college kids who just goes to school and has fun during these years. But I should have my AS degree by the time I am 19, and hopefully my BS well before I’m 21. But by all means no one should have to work all day and go to school at night when there under 21 because that’s not the life people should be having at those years of life, they should be having fun. I bet anyone who looks back at those years of their life would be much happier if all they were doing was partying and just having fun, not working all the time.

May 9th, 2006, 11:33	#32
Aviator737 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 376	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Well, I listened Doug. It was actually while I was building time in the ATP program (having grown so itchy to fly that I had plunged into a fast-track program prior to any college), and my flight partner and I were hanging around the ASU campus near the PHX location, when my partner said, "This is where you belong." I was further enlightened while cruising at altitude, staring blindly at instruments, getting jostled around by turbulence, that this is what I would be doing for the rest of my professional life ... So it was while I was in the thick of my flight training that I realized I wanted to go to college. Ironical, eh? And I couldn't be happier.

May 9th, 2006, 13:31	#33
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,482	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? "I preach and preach and preach about getting a college education but no one listens" I once worked for a third level supplemental cargo outfit flying Convairs. This was during the late 80's when times were pretty good in the airline pilot hiring biz. It was interesting to see what seperated the "lifers", who were stuck at that level, and those who moved on to bigger and better things. Had nothing to do with piloting ability, skill, or experience. The "lifers" were the guys without degrees. If you're aiming for the top of the profession, you better figure out a way to check that square.

May 9th, 2006, 13:55	#34
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,825 Blog Entries: 1	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Before I leave for work, here's the next answer: "Yeah, but Bill Gates and your millionaire uncle aren't competing for a job at Fed Ex" (someone invariably says "You can be a success without a degree...Bill Gates... My millionaire uncle... yadda yadda yadda") __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

May 9th, 2006, 14:09	#35
sorrygottarunway Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DXR, Connecticut Posts: 1,154	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Question: why do kids see their under-21 counterparts that have a regional job as competition... because of their age? It is visible at some airports where there are quite a few young Mesa FOs. The "Wow! he's only 21" expression has been heard around those parts a few times, and get just a slightly raised eyebrow and dumb look from captains that have been in the industry for a couple of years. __________________ CFI/CFII/MEI ATP, SF340

May 9th, 2006, 14:45	#37
higney85 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Memphis,TN Posts: 447	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Well this topic went a bit off from where I started it with. For those who are just looking through the post- I am all for education and having a good time doing it. I have been in school for 3 years and have just a couple summer classes to put the degree in the resume. On top of that I began flying as soon as I could start driving and since I arrived at school and had my multi/commercial I realised that every job from here on out should be in the aviaiton field. A line job is good while you do the cfi/II/MEI and just getting flight time with the base customers will bring on some good connections for the initial time and experience. From there (and the past year and a half) its been school and instructing. Some say you can't have fun but I seem to party hardy at least a couple times a week. I am trying to get a 121 job and will be doing my MBA online. I guess the goal is to be at a major by age 25. I have had a blast so far, and hope to be in a position to have more fun later in life with a wife and kids. Time will tell. Moral of this reply is to let the people just starting out in the profession to know that you can bust your ass and still have fun. Being young in the industry is DEFINATELY a good thing. Companies know you will be around for a while and it shows you have good work ethic for being years ahead of the rest of the competition.

May 9th, 2006, 15:03	#39
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,362	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Pssst......go wander around Europe for a summer. Really! __________________ . Life is painful. Suffering is optional.

May 9th, 2006, 16:35	#41
bullmastiff Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hockey Town, MI,USA Posts: 839	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? These days you can get credits for practically anything.. No reason why someone shouldnt be plugging away at the degree at least partrt ime __________________ LIons Den submission fighter "I am not gonna be punked, or pushed around" Ken Shamrock 2003 "...A pilot may earn his full pay for that year in less than two minutes. At the time of incident he would gladly return the entire amount for the privilege of being elsewhere." -"Fate is the Hunter" Ernest K. Gann "Dude...I think she likes me... See the way she just took your dollar, but she like stared me in the eye and really took my $5 bill slowly? Hey, do you think I should ask her to come along on our dual cross country next weekend?" ----Doug's former student “In sports, we have a tendency to overuse terms like ‘courage’ and ‘bravery’ and ‘heroes,’ and then someone like Pat Tillman comes along and reminds us what those terms really mean.” — Arizona Cardinals VP Michael Bidwill

August 16th, 2006, 14:49	#45
dieselman1220 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 56	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Im 20 I have my AS degree right now and plan on starting the UVSC online stuff in a few weeks. I have an interview with Express Jet and one at Colgan. XJ was a walk in Colgan was on my own but i did work for them as a ramp agent at ACT while i was in school so maybe you could consider it "walked in" My plan is to just get comfy in the right seat and finish my bachelors online slowly i cant see my self at a major any sooner than 6 years minimum so i feel like i have that much time to get it done. As far as the whole young pilot stuff it sucks, ive lost a handfull of fun flights in peoples Bonanzas and Barrons because of my age. Its ok though one guy who was 59 grabbed one of those slots flying a barron the had like 900/60 to my 800/170 and got a violaton for some reason or another because he said he couldnt keep up with the airplane. No offense at all to Older pilots the best pilots i have ever flown with were older gentleman, but it sucks when most people wont even give us younger guys a chance even though we may be more qualified. I dont understand all my students that are under 30 seem to learn to fly twice as quickly as guys over 30, for the most part. Its always going to be an ongoing battle though the young quick sharp pilots vs the older supposedly more expierienced just because he/she is older pilot.

August 16th, 2006, 15:13	#46
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,166	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Hiney, Any updates? __________________ "I do not proofread"

August 16th, 2006, 18:56	#48
higney85 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Memphis,TN Posts: 447	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? Guys, as an upadate... I have been 21 now for a month and just completed an interview with Pinnacle (yesterday- I feel it went great!) and now I got a call from ASA.. I was definately the youngest one out of the group at pinnacle to interview by at 3 years. I dont think age is as much of a big deal, the regionals are now just using the ATP written as a benchmark requirement (aka- make you be 21). Also I am below the mins- I only have 875tt/240multi.

August 16th, 2006, 19:33	#49
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,166	Re: anyone under 21 sending resumes to regionals? How many times can you say 21 in the same paragraph....Are there any magazines for when you get lonely that say 21 on them? __________________ "I do not proofread"

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