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May 4th, 2006, 17:43
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|  GoJet
Has anyone ever heard of GoJet? A couple of the senior CFI's at my flight school are going/already there. They start off in a CRJ-700. I guess its a new company based out of St. Louis (I think they are United Express or something - not really sure). Do they have a website or anything like that? Thanks.
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May 4th, 2006, 17:47
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Here we go!!!! Sit back and enjoy.
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May 4th, 2006, 17:51
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Now having said that don't come back with a reply starting with "But ..." You asked, we told.
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May 4th, 2006, 17:52
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May 4th, 2006, 18:04
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I don't think it will go 6 pages.... Remember, Don't Hate.... Educate (or something like that) Just to clarify what 602 said: GoJets was formed to get around a scope clause that prevented TSA from flying 70 seat aircraft. There isn't a problem with that too much (with the exception that it is putting more big airplanes at the regional level) but rather with the fact that they set up new seniority list to staff these airplanes. This seniority list is subject to different (ie worse) pay and work rules then the pilots on the TSA seniority list. The long term problem is of course, as time progresses managment may just start to transfere all their flying to the GoJets certificate because they can pay those guys less and work them more. In a nutshell, as 602 said, they are pretty much cutting down their fellow pilots from the TSA seniority list. Is it scabbing? Not really, but the end result is the same. |
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May 4th, 2006, 18:33
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Exactly what everyone else has said. They are an "alter-ego" airline created by trans-states holdings. It's probably not that hard to get on there because who in their right mind would want that job? You'd be stabbing in the back another group of pilots who work along side you. Here are two scenarios : 1) Me (XJT FO) getting on a Delta Jumpseat: "Hey guys, I'm Joe Schmo and I'm an FO at XJT, I was wondering if I could occupy one of your cabin seats going down to ATL" -Delta FO : "Hey how's it going....Hang in there with that Chitaqua stuff...It's nasty out there." Delta Capt: "Sure...no problem, if you need to sit up here just say the word" 2) GoJets FO getting on a jumpseat: "Hey....ummm...guys.....Uhhh...I'm an FO under TransStates Holdings and I was wondering if I could sit in the back.." Delta FO : "Well, why does your badge say GoJets? Weren't you the guys that went around the TSA pilot group? Are you guys ALPA?" "Well..uh.....We're looking to get a union and uh....." Delta Capt: Son...I'm ex Eastern and your ass is not welcome here. My point is, these guys are like roaches. They hide in the dark, they know they're loathed. The day these guys go for an interview at a major/LCC they better pray that they're not at the table with ALPA supporters. Rant over...
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May 4th, 2006, 18:38
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While I might not share the same jumpseat militaristic attitude as others, GoJets is far from scabbing, BUT a message does need to be sent to all management types that this kind of end around stuff will not fly (pun intended!). Before anyone gets all up in too much of a tizzy, GoJets is not all the far off from CRJ and ERJ "regionals" flying old mainline routes that were "lost" because of furloughs and fleet reductions. Take a long hard look in the mirror before you go and start a jumpseat war with a GoJeter, plus I don't think GoJets has many reciprocal jumpseat agreements, and that would be the more professional route to take if faced with the situation.
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May 4th, 2006, 18:45
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As for jumpseating, I have heard capts and FOs hate the Mesa pilots as well. Why?
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May 4th, 2006, 18:46
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May 4th, 2006, 18:52
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Go here: http://www.gojetpilots.com That explains most of what you need to know. Encourage your friends to seek employment elsewhere if it's not already too late. Definitely don't go there yourself, it could be a decision that will hurt you later in your career. |
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May 4th, 2006, 18:57
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Don't know who you are, or who you work for..........but there is no sane reason why you should be defending GoJets pilots. None. | |
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May 4th, 2006, 19:00
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May 4th, 2006, 19:28
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May 4th, 2006, 19:34
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Like I said, not defending the pilots at all, but at the same time I don't pretend to have walked in another persons shoes either. GoJeters are not scabs, they don't deserve the title. The whole thing is perfectly legal, highly immoral and does the industry no good, but legal. Taking it out on people who need a job and maybe do not know any better is childish. Please don't twist my argument into crossing the picket line and scabbing during a strike, two totally different situations, no work is struck, no one "lost" a job and no one was denied access to these jobs. I have friends that fly for TSA and I feel for them and they are doing what needs to be done, but my argument lies with jumpseat wars, my opinion.
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May 4th, 2006, 19:34
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Hi everyone I'd like to fly for gojets! They have 70 seaters! We can fly nice brand new BIG jets! How fun! I prolly can tour the world! And 16k is just fine..i can still live at my grandmas! Haha...not too farfetched from what i heard before. GO TO HELL GOJETS!!!!!! 
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May 4th, 2006, 19:35
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But I have zero industry experience, FWIW  | |
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May 4th, 2006, 19:37
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OK, let's get it right here. I understand GoJets is seen as an alter ego airline for TSA. Mesa is seen badly because their pilots are taking very low pay for their jobs and they are considered as part of the problem for low pay. Well, if that is the case, shouldn't every regional airline be seen the same as Mesa since the pilots start at a very low pay? Where do you draw the line? Which airlines do you guys not view negatively? |
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May 4th, 2006, 19:39
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Mesa gets paid badly? Whatt? I've never heard that...they just have crappy work rules. No, i think you're missing it out on GoJets. They're an airline to get around the scope rules about 70 seaters, pay, and work rules. It's created just so they can pay less, and work them more. Basically, TSA is getting screwed over out of it, if more work goes to GoJet. They're gonna get screwed over by their own company..how's that one!
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May 4th, 2006, 19:40
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May 4th, 2006, 19:42
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I understand the deal with GoJets. What I want to know is why is Mesa viewed negatively and what other airlines are considered the same as Mesa? |
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May 4th, 2006, 19:44
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May 4th, 2006, 19:45
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Listen, there are very few people that actually have enough of a grudge against Mesa pilots to deny them jumpseats. Sure many Mesa pilots are a little annoying, especially when you're in a hotel van and you get to hear about how "that 900 is sweet, we get two FA's! And we're flying them out of USAir hubs now too but we have to be based in IAH so we don't bust USAir's scope directly!". They're ALPA members and it wasn't too long ago that they were fighting against this very thing and SQUASHED it, albeit at a very high price. Sure you will run into Wisconsin pilots who are bitter about Mesa getting some of the old united routes, just like there will undoubtedly be some animosty at my company toward Chautauqua when/if they start flying out of CAL hubs. In the end those were all business decisions that had nothing to do with the pilots and it would be foolish to lay blame on one another for those decisions. Mesa and Chautauqua, and to a lesser extent skywest are taking heat from other pilot groups for flying 70 and 90 seat jets for little more than the 50 seat wages.....but it's still nothing to the extent of GoJet. The Gojet pilots, many of which quit TSA go to over, did directly make a decision to "leapfrog" the TSA seniority list. GoJet is in a whole 'nother ballpark. |
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May 4th, 2006, 19:48
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As much as everyone, myself included hates this place, it will not stop you from going to a major. Someone in the last Cal class was from Gojet. Figures people from UVSC went there. There are some of the worst pilots I have ever seen. By the way that webpage is scary. They even have there home addresses.
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May 4th, 2006, 19:48
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Mesa is viewed negatively because of their contract, ie, no block or better, only 8 days off per bid period (28 days), J4Js, and I think the big one is the apparent, I say again, APPARENT, lack of experience that some crews may have seen from Mesa crews, ie the hard landing in ROA that bent the airplane (Go around is not an option). A lot of the animosity comes from the fact that Mesa is not owned by UsAir or whomever else they contract for, so any flying they do is seen as taking jobs away from furloughed pilots and taking growth away from wholey owneds. Too me it is a big pissing contest, mine is better than yours argument. For years pilot groups have been living by the mantra of "best contract plus X%" and now that the chips are down management is using the same mentality for pay cuts, thus Mesa's contract is a sore spot for most. Again, my opinion, your mileage may vary...
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May 4th, 2006, 19:52
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