Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal

wheelsup · May 3rd, 2006, 12:40

MINNEAPOLIS - Northwest Airlines Corp. pilots approved a package of deep pay cuts and other concessions on Wednesday that the bankrupt carrier said it needs to reorganize.

About 63 percent of Northwest’s 4,800 pilots voted to approve the pact. Some union leaders had publicly called on pilots to reject the contract and hold out for a better deal.

The Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association said the new contract will not take effect until other unions ratify their own contracts.

Baggage handlers voted down Northwest’s wage-cut proposal, and a trial is set to begin in bankruptcy court May 15 to determine whether Northwest can throw out that contract and impose its own terms. Flight attendants will be voting through June 6 on their own wage-cut proposal.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12611988/

flyingmaniac · May 3rd, 2006, 13:47

So I guess they finally gave up...

Aero_Engineer · May 3rd, 2006, 14:39

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS INDUSTRY, why should the pilots always give something up, I am just extrememly mad at the Northwest management.

Ripper3785 · May 3rd, 2006, 15:01

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Originally Posted by Aero_Engineer

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS INDUSTRY, why should the pilots always give something up, I am just extrememly mad at the Northwest management.

My how you have changed, young padawan.

buffalopilot · May 3rd, 2006, 15:54

Do we know how much they gave up?

This is the worst industry i have ever seen. Why dont the airlines increase prices of tickets to stay alive. If the cost of cheese goes up at Mcdonalds, they dont cut the employees pay, they increase the price of the cheeseburger. Seems logical to me!

wheelsup · May 3rd, 2006, 16:00

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Originally Posted by buffalopilot

Do we know how much they gave up?

I believe the biggest thing they gave up was the scope clause. This new "TA", well, now just an "A", allows for XX number of up-to 76 seat aircraft. The DC-9's in their smallest seating config were 77 seats.

Essentially, this will completely get rid of NWA's DC-9 fleet and the associated jobs. But don't fret - oh no - they will still have jobs - working for regional wages vs. mainline wages at compass.

Sweet deal, huh? Mid-Atlantic II.

frog_flyer · May 3rd, 2006, 16:03

im so glad im gettin a bba from tcu instead of something worthless from UND.

buffalopilot · May 3rd, 2006, 16:11

What percentage of their fleet is DC9's and how mony pilots there will go back to the "regionals", "Compass".

What is to keep the arline from going to all rjs and making the whole thing regional pay.

jtrain609 · May 3rd, 2006, 16:33

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Originally Posted by buffalopilot

What percentage of their fleet is DC9's and how mony pilots there will go back to the "regionals", "Compass".

What is to keep the arline from going to all rjs and making the whole thing regional pay.

There isn't any reason. Welcome to the new American dream!

CoBuilder · May 3rd, 2006, 16:33

Delta is next!

wheelsup · May 3rd, 2006, 16:36

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Originally Posted by buffalopilot

What percentage of their fleet is DC9's and how mony pilots there will go back to the "regionals", "Compass".

What is to keep the arline from going to all rjs and making the whole thing regional pay.

I believe they forsee around 1100 pilots going into compass.

To answer your second question, the word "scope" is what limits it. In their former contract, I believe the only aircraft permitted to operate under the NWA banner were <51 seats, with the exception of a few avros operated by mesaba. Now, NWA can farm out up to 90 seat 51-76 seat aircraft provided they fly them under their affiliate banner.

See the TA here

NWA guys also keep the 23.9% paycut, along with other QOL issues such as 50% pay for deadheads, less vacation, less days off, credit on a per trip vs. per leg basis (ie if you overblock on one leg by 5 minutes, and underblock on another, they will cancel each other out vs. at AWAC you can underblock every leg by 30 minutes but over block one leg by 5 minutes and you'd be +:05 for the trip).

EDIT: Personally, unless airline profits come back they start making a killing again, I can see the majors simply doing international flying and farming out their domestic feed. Mesa already once turned down their 737's, but it was because of pay issues. Once they get 'em on property our careers are toast...more airlines will be sure to follow.

Maximillian_Jenius · May 3rd, 2006, 18:41

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Originally Posted by buffalopilot

Do we know how much they gave up?

This is the worst industry i have ever seen. Why dont the airlines increase prices of tickets to stay alive. If the cost of cheese goes up at Mcdonalds, they dont cut the employees pay, they increase the price of the cheeseburger. Seems logical to me!

Yea...there are sooooo many people out there willing to ##### themselves out!

Maximillian_Jenius · May 3rd, 2006, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelsup

I believe the biggest thing they gave up was the scope clause. This new "TA", well, now just an "A", allows for XX number of up-to 76 seat aircraft. The DC-9's in their smallest seating config were 77 seats.

Essentially, this will completely get rid of NWA's DC-9 fleet and the associated jobs. But don't fret - oh no - they will still have jobs - working for regional wages vs. mainline wages at compass.

Sweet deal, huh? Mid-Atlantic II.

So are these CRJ-750 or 705's or are these CRJ-900's configured for 76-77 seats?

amd87 · May 3rd, 2006, 18:48

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Originally Posted by frog_flyer

im so glad im gettin a bba from tcu instead of something worthless from UND.

Good thing you have all that flight sim time logged as a fallback too!

n57flyguy · May 3rd, 2006, 18:53

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

There isn't any reason. Welcome to the new American dream!

Bigey · May 3rd, 2006, 21:59

Such crazy things sure do keep it hard to keep focused. I'm supposed to want to enter this field filled with pay cuts, managment trying to screw you over, and poor living conditions.

I think i gotta go to the doctors...cuz i sure know i am damn crazyy!

kellwolf · May 4th, 2006, 00:49

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

NWA guys also keep the 23.9% paycut, along with other QOL issues such as 50% pay for deadheads, less vacation, less days off, credit on a per trip vs. per leg basis (ie if you overblock on one leg by 5 minutes, and underblock on another, they will cancel each other out vs. at AWAC you can underblock every leg by 30 minutes but over block one leg by 5 minutes and you'd be +:05 for the trip).

Sweet lord. NWA just agreed to the things we're trying to get RID of here at PCL. One of the things we're gunning for in negotiations is the pay thing. Right now, we can overblock as much as 15 minutes, and we're flying for free. We're trying to go to a block or better deal, but looks like mainline just shot us in the foot. Minus the pay, sounds like working for PCL or NWA mainline would be about the same now.

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Mesa already once turned down their 737's, but it was because of pay issues. Once they get 'em on property our careers are toast...more airlines will be sure to follow.

I was stoked that the Mesa pilots dug in on the 737 deal. JO wanted them to fly 737s for CRJ-900 pay. Not no, but HELL no.

pilot602 · May 4th, 2006, 11:46

Welcome to the suck.

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alphaone · May 5th, 2006, 03:34

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Originally Posted by frog_flyer

im so glad im gettin a bba from tcu instead of something worthless from UND.

AMEN!

JEP · May 5th, 2006, 06:50

I'd be interested to see an age breakdown of the votes. I know it's probably not available, but it would be interesting to see.

wheelsup · May 5th, 2006, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

So are these CRJ-750 or 705's or are these CRJ-900's configured for 76-77 seats?

I don't think anyone knows just yet - but the new contract states they can use aircraft certificated with up to 86 seats but with a seating capacity of only 51-76 seats.

May 3rd, 2006, 12:40	#1
wheelsup Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _ Posts: 5,611	Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal MINNEAPOLIS - Northwest Airlines Corp. pilots approved a package of deep pay cuts and other concessions on Wednesday that the bankrupt carrier said it needs to reorganize. About 63 percent of Northwest’s 4,800 pilots voted to approve the pact. Some union leaders had publicly called on pilots to reject the contract and hold out for a better deal. The Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association said the new contract will not take effect until other unions ratify their own contracts. Baggage handlers voted down Northwest’s wage-cut proposal, and a trial is set to begin in bankruptcy court May 15 to determine whether Northwest can throw out that contract and impose its own terms. Flight attendants will be voting through June 6 on their own wage-cut proposal. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12611988/ __________________ "It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk."

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flyingmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TN / ATL Posts: 668	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal So I guess they finally gave up... __________________ http://www.SellPart135.com

May 3rd, 2006, 14:39	#3
Aero_Engineer Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,052	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS INDUSTRY, why should the pilots always give something up, I am just extrememly mad at the Northwest management.

May 3rd, 2006, 15:54	#5
buffalopilot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 411	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal Do we know how much they gave up? This is the worst industry i have ever seen. Why dont the airlines increase prices of tickets to stay alive. If the cost of cheese goes up at Mcdonalds, they dont cut the employees pay, they increase the price of the cheeseburger. Seems logical to me!

May 3rd, 2006, 16:03	#7
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,092	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal im so glad im gettin a bba from tcu instead of something worthless from UND. __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor 260TT 25 ME

May 3rd, 2006, 16:11	#8
buffalopilot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 411	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal What percentage of their fleet is DC9's and how mony pilots there will go back to the "regionals", "Compass". What is to keep the arline from going to all rjs and making the whole thing regional pay.

May 3rd, 2006, 16:33	#10
CoBuilder Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 160	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal Delta is next!

May 3rd, 2006, 21:59	#16
Bigey Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Socal Posts: 2,847	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal Such crazy things sure do keep it hard to keep focused. I'm supposed to want to enter this field filled with pay cuts, managment trying to screw you over, and poor living conditions. I think i gotta go to the doctors...cuz i sure know i am damn crazyy! __________________ 6/30 - PUBNAT4 7/31 - PUBNAT5 8/29 - PUBNAT6 8/27 - AT-SAT Authorized 9/08 - AT-SAT Scheduled 9/24 - AT-SAT (97%)

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pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,752	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal Welcome to the suck. <------------------- __________________ .......................... p i l o t 6 0 2 insert something witty, here Last edited by pilot602; May 4th, 2006 at 12:07.

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JEP Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 11,191 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Northwest pilots approve pay-cut deal I'd be interested to see an age breakdown of the votes. I know it's probably not available, but it would be interesting to see. __________________ : : : “One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.”

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