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Old April 17th, 2006, 14:29   #1
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Default Programming a DME Arc into a 430?

Hi all -

I VAGUELY remember a method to program a DME arc into a GNS 430. Does anyone know if this is possible, and if so, how to do it?

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Old April 17th, 2006, 14:42   #2
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http://www.garmin.com/support/userMa...t=010-00139-11

You can also download a 430 trainer on Garmin's website which is very helpful for practicing with.
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Just load it in like any other approach. Of course, it will tell you it's for monitoring only when doing it like that.
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Old April 17th, 2006, 14:54   #4
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Thanks for the info -

JDE, thanks, but I remember an FAA guy showing me how to create a fictional arc and fly it, not a published arc.

Thanks anyways!
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So . . . you're saying that you don't know how?? It's pretty easy to point somebody in the direction of a manual everytime you don't know the answer . . .

I've never known a way to program a random arc into the GPS. However, if the arc is a transition for an approach, then it will be pre-programmed as a part of the database. When you load the approach and select the transition, the arc will them be displayed as a course that you have to follow.
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Thanks for the info -

JDE, thanks, but I remember an FAA guy showing me how to create a fictional arc and fly it, not a published arc.

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I'm no expert - but I spent a lot of lonely night flights playing with a 430 and a 530 and I don't know of a way to program random arcs.

Sorry.
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Yep. Just load the approach and pick the appropriate waypoint on the arc. It's been talked about here before, but the GPS uses some funky names for waypoints on an arc. i.e. D171P

D = its an arc

171 = its the 171 radial

P = its a 16 mile DME arc...say what?... P is the 16th letter of the alphabet!

Make sure your CDI source is selected to GPS in order to fly the arc.
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I don't know anything about random arcs either. Not sure if it's possible.
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So . . . you're saying that you don't know how?? It's pretty easy to point somebody in the direction of a manual everytime you don't know the answer . . .
I saw this 10 min before class and thought that was the best course of action for giving him help. The best way to learn to use the Garmin is to read the manual and play with the sim, so I'd rather point someone in that direction than hold their hand as they turn knobs and press buttons.

That being said...

Yes my post was a little rushed, I should have stated that I know you can fly DME arcs that are already in the database but that I'm not sure on programming them.
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The best way to learn to use the Garmin is to read the manual and play with the sim, so I'd rather point someone in that direction than hold their hand as they turn knobs and press buttons.
Absolute nonsense. Why not just make Jetcareers into a site that says:

Read The Manual!

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Absolute nonsense. Why not just make Jetcareers into a site that says:

Read The Manual!

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Not what I was trying to imply by posting a link to the manual.
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Absolute nonsense. Why not just make Jetcareers into a site that says:

Read The Manual!

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Wow. Relax.

To answer your proposal--because most questions on here aren't technical questions. There's no manual for what flight school to go to or what people think of Delta striking. I would dare say 90% of the questions on here are more about opinions than anything that could be laid out in a manual.

To go back to the original issue of programming a GPS, how would somebody on here typing out instructions be any different than reading a manual? Either way, you're reading straight text. It's just that one source comes from the manufacturer with pretty icons, notes, and screenshots, while the other comes from "some guy" who probably isn't even a technical writer.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of people aren't aware of Garmin's resources online. If I didn't know about those resources, I wouldn't mind somebody pointing them out to me.
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The Apollo GX series has a nifty "Arc Assist" page for any waypoint, plus CDI guidance for published arcs. I don't believe the Garmins have such a feature, but you could easily navigate an arc with a direct-to to the station and use the bearing and distance readouts.
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but you could easily navigate an arc with a direct-to to the station and use the bearing and distance readouts.
You mean like tuning in the VOR freq., centering the CDI with a from indication, watching the DME, and flying the arc the "old fasioned" (apparently) way?

Are people getting that sloppy that they need the actual line to be depicted on a moving map so they can follow it?
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You mean like tuning in the VOR freq., centering the CDI with a from indication, watching the DME, and flying the arc the "old fasioned" (apparently) way?

Are people getting that sloppy that they need the actual line to be depicted on a moving map so they can follow it?
Haha, no! I was in a minutia battle with another pilot... Such a dork, I know. What's even worse is the fact that it was started when he could see that I could dial in identifiers with a maximum of two swirls of the knob, most of the time within one letter of the desired letter. I need to get a slingbox or something...

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Nah, it's cool. Wasn't specifically aimed at you, just a rhetorical question.
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I suppose you could always put in a succession of points? xyz/360/10, xyz/001/10, xyz/002/10, ....
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I suppose you could always put in a succession of points? xyz/360/10, xyz/001/10, xyz/002/10, ....
Ha! I should have made one of my students do that! What a cruel joke !!
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Old April 19th, 2006, 13:02   #19
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Just in case anyone who are interesting about reading the actual manuals, the link is following:

http://www.garmin.com/products/manua...t=010-00139-11

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