[logshare.com] this is what about 5 hours gets you

[CFIse]

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

How do people verify these hours? What would keep a dishonest person from copying a bunch of these entries into his/her own logbook and using it for future employment? How do employees verify them and what kind of consequences occur if a person makes fraudulent lobook entries?

If you have to go to logshare to find information to pad your logbook that's pretty sad. Spend a day at the airport, log some time in whatever passes by the window - MUCH easier that way.......

There is nothing to stop people from making stuff up and putting it in their logbook except for the fear of getting caught - a bit like murder, and burglary, and assault and battery and.......

[aloft]

Originally Posted by Citationkid

There is no reason for being an ass. I have no problem showing my logbook to people in a thread about logbooks. I do have a problem discussing personal matters which include reasons I'm not worried about my dual time.

No one's saying you're being an ass, Alex. (I know you didn't just call Floyd one!) Lighten up.

Sheesh, one mention in FLYING and the kid is suddenly Harrison Ford.

[Citationkid]

Originally Posted by aloft

Sheesh, one mention in FLYING and the kid is suddenly Harrison Ford.

I wasn't in Flying, some kid named Mark was I'm not trying to be uptight, but after thread after thread of the same people saying the same thing about my dual time, it gets a little old to be honest. Epecially when they call me out in public (or in a thread like this). It looks much more like an attack than a genuine concern. Now if some one truley cares, I probally won't have any probleming telling them through a PM.

Have a good night,

Alex.

[scoobs]

I don't want to get an arguement but why would it matter? If his mom is a CFI then wheres the problem?

[JEP]

Originally Posted by scoobs

I don't want to get an arguement but why would it matter? If his mom is a CFI then wheres the problem?

I doubt it has anything to do with his mom. I think in a typical situation the red flag would be 400+ hours of dual, 20+ hours of solo among others....

That being said Alex's situation appears to be FAR from typical. He appears to have advantages that others don't. Oh well.

[BoilerPilot2007]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

http://www.logshare.com/log.jsp?emai...guo1@yahoo.com

I've had mine going since I was a student pilot....

Eric,

Very cool!

[FlyOrDie]

Originally Posted by aloft

Alex, you DO realize you're gonna get creamed in any interview for all that time you spent riding shotgun with your mom, right? That much dual received is a huge red flag.

Dude give the kid a break... I would hope that most interviewers would understand that sort of a situation.

I'm in the same boat. My dad is a CFI and since I've been flying since the beginning of highschool I've built up a lot of dual. 560 hours of dual to be precise with, 1200tt. Matter of fact it took me a 101.1 hours of dual to solo (I had to wait to turn 16)

[Champcar]

These arguements make me laugh. Lighten up people.

[mastermags]

http://www.logshare.com/log.jsp?emai...mags@gmail.com

Mine.

[AP2B]

I'm surprised some long time members of JC would give Citationkid such a hard time about that. And this thread WAS about logbooks. Not Alex's dual, and how he got it. Why hate on em' in an attempt to bust em' out?

He appears to have advantages that others don't. Oh well.

Those advantages make you a little jealous? Geesh, be happy for the kid!

[USMCmech]

Jealousy is saying "I wish I had the opurtunities Alex has."

Envy is trying to pull him down and belittle him.



I'm jealous, but wish him the best.

All that dual is legit legal time. It will definately require some explanations whenever he sits for an interview, but that's it.

[jtrain609]

Alex was given crap about this when he first came on the site, and he will continue to be given crap about it. If he wants to log that time, then he's going to have to answer some hard questions from people. I mean come on, Alex was how old when come of this multi time was logged? 11?

Personally, I'd look at it like this; if a few people on an internet message forum are giving him crap about it (including somebody that was in charge of hiring at a flight school), then what do ya'll think is going to happen in an interview? I'd listen to the people here with much much MUCH more experience than him and not log the time, but hey that's just me.

[Van_Hoolio]

Mine: http://www.logshare.com/log.jsp?emai...rocketmail.com

I data-entered the whole thing when things were really slow around Christmas. I only had around 300 hours then. I was glad I did it, I found some errors I needed to correct. Now I just enter all my flights at the end of the day and I sit down with a couple beers and update my paper logbook every couple of weeks. It stays at home in the fire safe.

Mike

[JEP]

Originally Posted by AP2B

I'm surprised some long time members of JC would give Citationkid such a hard time about that. And this thread WAS about logbooks. Not Alex's dual, and how he got it. Why hate on em' in an attempt to bust em' out?



Those advantages make you a little jealous? Geesh, be happy for the kid!

Jealous...Me......Not hardly. Maybe opportunities would have been a better word. When it comes time for me to interview for a position I wouldn't be worried one bit.

As for hatin on him, you can't put that kind of information on a message forum and not expect people to pick at it.

I think it comes down to quality vs. quantity of hours.

He is not worried about it and neither am I.

Carry On!

[AP2B]

Well, that time is completely legal to log....As long as you (he) has the systems knowledge to back it up, then more power to him. I didn't have one hour of flight time when I was his age. He's got one hell of a head start, and that is great. The kid has spent a lot of time in airplanes, damn straight I'd log it, but I WOULD be ready to back it ALL up. As you all have advised.

[jtrain609]

How in the world could somebody POSSIBLY legitly log time in a Navajo when they were 11 and actually recieve legit instruction in how to operate the aircraft?

11 guys. You know what I was doing at 11? Picking my nose and playing nintendo like everybody else here.

[AP2B]

Carry On!

Roger, boss man

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

11 guys. You know what I was doing at 11? Picking my nose and playing nintendo like everybody else here.

So you're saying that people are functionally retarded until, say... 14?

[AP2B]

Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

How in the world could somebody POSSIBLY legitly log time in a Navajo when they were 11 and actually recieve legit instruction in how to operate the aircraft?

11 guys. You know what I was doing at 11? Picking my nose and playing nintendo like everybody else here.

Oh hell John, I was drivin' flat bed trucks full of hay bails to the General Store when I was 11.

Yeah, legitly is the operative word there. Okay, question time. If Alex could answer all things Navajo in an interview, would it be kosh.?

[jtrain609]

I'm saying at 11 there's no way you can be flying a Navajo around. It's like an 11 year old yelling, "But I flew the 737 on flight simulator!!!!!" It just ain't the same.

And if I were doing the interview, no it wouldn't be good enough. How many hours of dual in a Navajo? 100? No thanks man. I've got something like 5 hours of dual in a Seminole from when I did my multi engine rating. If I had something over 15 I think it'd start to raise red flags.

[JEP]

Originally Posted by AP2B

Oh hell John, I was drivin' flat bed trucks full of hay bails to the General Store when I was 11.

Yeah, legitly is the operative word there. Okay, question time. If Alex could answer all things Navajo in an interview, would it be kosh.?

As an interviewer, when the first few entries you see someone logging multi-time in an AERO COMMANDER 560-E at the age of 11....That is going to raise a red flag. Yes it is legal, but again it is quality vs. quantity.

I wonder how a state government would feel about someone giving instruction to an 11 yr old in a state owned aircraft....

The press would have a field day.

Remove Alex from the equation and we would still be having the same argument. This has morphed more into an argument about logging time.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by Citationkid

I wasn't in Flying, some kid named Mark was I'm not trying to be uptight, but after thread after thread of the same people saying the same thing about my dual time, it gets a little old to be honest. Epecially when they call me out in public (or in a thread like this). It looks much more like an attack than a genuine concern. Now if some one truley cares, I probally won't have any probleming telling them through a PM.

Have a good night,

Alex.

Are you getting uncomfortable, Alex? Is it starting to feel a little like FlightInfo.com? Where will you go next?


I don't know what your aspirations are in regards to a career in aviation, but if you have hopes of flying professionally, you might take the criticism raised about your dual time to heart. If I were you and I were applying for a job some day down the road, I might consider keeping the logbook you have as a souvenir, and beginning another that doesn't show the time you've been riding along with Mommy. At some point in time you began to reap a slight benefit from the hours, but honestly, before that you were just a passenger. Lucky passenger, to be sure, but a passenger just the same.




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[Citationkid]

Originally Posted by TonyC

Are you getting uncomfortable, Alex? Is it starting to feel a little like FlightInfo.com? Where will you go next?


I don't know what your aspirations are in regards to a career in aviation, but if you have hopes of flying professionally, you might take the criticism raised about your dual time to heart. If I were you and I were applying for a job some day down the road, I might consider keeping the logbook you have as a souvenir, and beginning another that doesn't show the time you've been riding along with Mommy. At some point in time you began to reap a slight benefit from the hours, but honestly, before that you were just a passenger. Lucky passenger, to be sure, but a passenger just the same.




.

Tony,

I have always respected you, although we've nevered talked one to one. My main reason for not being concerned is basically that I don't plan on flying for a living any more. If I'm unable to fly for the two companies that all of this shotgun time is with, then I'll go into business instead. I find nothing at all attractive about the 121 or 135 world. I did not feel like discussing this but what the hell if it'll end the arguement I guess it won't hurt to say!

Alex.

[desertdog71]

Sounds like his mind is made up, leave him alone. Quit busting his balls, I am pretty sure he can make his own decisions. Good or Bad. This was supposed to be a Logshare thread, more to compare and share experiences. Not be a life coach for Alex.

[Champcar]

His time is legal per the FARs so leave him alone. I wish i was as lucky as him. The FARs may not be true to reality in some cases, maybe this one, but its what we got.