New Flight School . . . Just A Thought - Page 2

jdflight · April 5th, 2006, 17:31

What kind of pie are you talking about? Because if it's pecan or rhubarb, then I'm out. Sorry, but I hate that stuff!

Email me.

Screaming_Emu · April 5th, 2006, 19:03

I'm really hoping to move to one of the coasts after I graduate in december, so if a said school were to relocate to somewhere with water nearby I'd definately be interested. JC attracts a lot of great people, and I think that if a bunch of people here were to get together and make a flight school, that would definately be the advantage, the great people.

tonyw · April 5th, 2006, 19:12

I think the potential flight school should open up in SAN. Then I'd pack up the cats and move in a heartbeat.

Champcar · April 5th, 2006, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

You know, I think you're right!!

Seriously - a flight school with quality, "No-Frills" instruction. Quality, safe, legal aircraft. Good instructors. No "Airline Transition". No bridge programs. None of the BS.

Kinda sounds like any local FBO

Kristie · April 5th, 2006, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyw

I think the potential flight school should open up in SAN. Then I'd pack up the cats and move in a heartbeat.

willing to put some funds into leasing a hangar? hahaha thought not...can you imagine the prices if something were to start up over there?! whew!!!

British Pilot · April 5th, 2006, 19:30

How will you differentiate yourself from an FBO?

Also, it seems your only students would be those who frequent sites like JC et al, who have become clued up about the evils of some ab initio programs that put you in pilot shirts and epaulets before you've even flown solo.

I am definitely one to support a local, or aspiring small business, which is one reason why I am at my local FBO. It seems to me you have two core profiles of those who decide they like the idea of flying for a living. Those who fancied the idea of flying to the islands in the summer and thus flying for pleasure, who get so hooked that aviation takes over their life, in which case they already belong to someone elses FBO. Or, those who see the full page glossies that offer guaranteed interviews with airlines, CFI positions, 9 months from start to airline etc and are consumed that way.

How would you help them see beyond that, and pick up their ratings at your school?

TheFlyingTurkey · April 5th, 2006, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by British Pilot

How will you differentiate yourself from an FBO?

Also, it seems your only students would be those who frequent sites like JC et al, who have become clued up about the evils of some ab initio programs that put you in pilot shirts and epaulets before you've even flown solo.

I am definitely one to support a local, or aspiring small business, which is one reason why I am at my local FBO. It seems to me you have two core profiles of those who decide they like the idea of flying for a living. Those who fancied the idea of flying to the islands in the summer and thus flying for pleasure, who get so hooked that aviation takes over their life, in which case they already belong to someone elses FBO. Or, those who see the full page glossies that offer guaranteed interviews with airlines, CFI positions, 9 months from start to airline etc and are consumed that way.

How would you help them see beyond that, and pick up their ratings at your school?

Give out free whoopee cushions?

mtsu_av8er · April 5th, 2006, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Champcar

Kinda sounds like any local FBO

Not exactly. An FBO is a fixed-base operator. An FBO provides lots of services. It would sell fuel, rent hangar space, provide tie dows, pre-heating, de-icing, arrange catering, rent cars, etc, etc, etc. Know what an FBO is?

I'd want a flight school. No fuel sales. No rental cars or crew cars. No weekend, fun-flight rentals. No Cirrus training. No Maintenance (with the exception of the flight school aircraft).

A flight school

Quote:

Geez, is Part 135 life losing it's luster already?

I wouldn't know - Until today, I sat on my butt since Friday!! Final got up in the airplane today. If anybody heard "Flight Express Trainer 3" around ORL or TIX, that was me!!!

This time next week, looks like I'll be "Flight Express 745".

Assuming I pass my 135 checkride tomorrow . . .

British Pilot · April 5th, 2006, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Not exactly. An FBO is a fixed-base operator. An FBO provides lots of services. It would sell fuel, rent hangar space, provide tie dows, pre-heating, de-icing, arrange catering, rent cars, etc, etc, etc. Know what an FBO is?

I'd want a flight school. No fuel sales. No rental cars or crew cars. No weekend, fun-flight rentals. No Cirrus training. No Maintenance (with the exception of the flight school aircraft).

A flight school

I train at an FBO, I don't use any of the other facilities and services, so to me my FBO is a flight school. From a students perspective, the two words are synonymous.

jtrain609 · April 5th, 2006, 20:47

Call me bro

mtsu_av8er · April 5th, 2006, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by British Pilot

I train at an FBO, I don't use any of the other facilities and services, so to me my FBO is a flight school. The two words are synonymous in this regard.

To a student, they are the same thing if all you are doing is renting planes and taking lessons. Surely?

From a business aspect, they're not the same thing. Not even close.

I can buy aspirin at the 7-Eleven. Doesn't make it a pharmacy.

Minnesota_Flyer · April 5th, 2006, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

Call me bro

bro

BCTAv8r · April 5th, 2006, 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minnesota_Flyer

bro

aloft · April 5th, 2006, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

If we're talking Arizona, we can discuss some co-branding if you like, but I've got a strict set of ethical standards to comply with.

As long as there is no prohibition of cute li'l female students receiving dual instruction while seated in daddy's lap, we're good!

fender_jag · April 5th, 2006, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyw

I think the potential flight school should open up in SAN. Then I'd pack up the cats and move in a heartbeat.

Gotta agree with Tony here.

Seggy · April 5th, 2006, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyw

I think the potential flight school should open up in SAN. Then I'd pack up the cats and move in a heartbeat.

I throw in my support for SAN as a flight school location. We will advertise so that our MAJOR Demographic will be single women between 18-27.

I will be in charge of admission as well as the ONLY Designated Examiner allowed to give checkrides (Four Hundred Fifty bucks CASH ONLY, I'll throw 50 bucks back to the CFI if the student passes on the first time). I will also be the FAA liason, trust me we wont have ANY problems with big brother.

jdflight · April 6th, 2006, 03:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by aloft

As long as there is no prohibition of cute li'l female students receiving dual instruction while seated in daddy's lap, we're good!

Just how li'l we talking, here? Don't need a whole different set of feds on our cases, bud!

aloft · April 6th, 2006, 06:09

I believe Seggy covered this in his description of our target demographic. My name is not Chester!

And I sixth the motion that SD be our base of operations...MYF baby! Screw those SDFTI bastidges, serves 'em right for almost rear-ending me on the 28R ILS one night long ago! :-(

Seggy · April 6th, 2006, 15:21

Aviation is the biggest sausage fest known to mankind.

Kristie · April 6th, 2006, 16:03

what's a "sausage fest" (for this particular thread)? I know it has different meanings for different phrases...

pavelump · April 6th, 2006, 16:32

mmmm.... Brats.

Maximillian_Jenius · April 6th, 2006, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob loblaw

If I was going to start a flight school I would offer multi engine ratings, and CFI courses. I would use a couple of seminoles and I would also offer Cirrus training.

No offense...but if you ran a flight school I wouldn't be a student! An thats...ona skrilla!

Maximillian_Jenius · April 6th, 2006, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

You know, I think you're right!!

Seriously - a flight school with quality, "No-Frills" instruction. Quality, safe, legal aircraft. Good instructors. No "Airline Transition". No bridge programs. None of the BS.

All that and PPL-MEL (ZERO TO HERO) for $10k and I'm there!!!

April 5th, 2006, 17:31	#26
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April 5th, 2006, 19:03	#27
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,197	I'm really hoping to move to one of the coasts after I graduate in december, so if a said school were to relocate to somewhere with water nearby I'd definately be interested. JC attracts a lot of great people, and I think that if a bunch of people here were to get together and make a flight school, that would definately be the advantage, the great people. __________________ Commercial Pilot - ASEL, AMEL, Instrument CFI/II 880TT CRJ-700 FO at Southernjets Connection Former flight instructor out of KBWI and W29 Loves Dutch chicks "jtrain609: I wish I had a pair"

April 5th, 2006, 19:12	#28
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,323	I think the potential flight school should open up in SAN. Then I'd pack up the cats and move in a heartbeat. __________________ http://www.photo.net/photos/tonywang for my photos

April 5th, 2006, 20:47	#35
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,289	Call me bro __________________

April 6th, 2006, 06:09	#43
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,778	I believe Seggy covered this in his description of our target demographic. My name is not Chester! And I sixth the motion that SD be our base of operations...MYF baby! Screw those SDFTI bastidges, serves 'em right for almost rear-ending me on the 28R ILS one night long ago! :-( __________________ Commercial Pilot, ASEL/AMEL/IA 900+ TT/25 ME Mountain-qualified Search & Rescue/Disaster Relief Mission Pilot, Civil Air Patrol B.S., Psychology, Univ of Utah

April 5th, 2006, 19:30	#31
British Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 110	How will you differentiate yourself from an FBO? Also, it seems your only students would be those who frequent sites like JC et al, who have become clued up about the evils of some ab initio programs that put you in pilot shirts and epaulets before you've even flown solo. I am definitely one to support a local, or aspiring small business, which is one reason why I am at my local FBO. It seems to me you have two core profiles of those who decide they like the idea of flying for a living. Those who fancied the idea of flying to the islands in the summer and thus flying for pleasure, who get so hooked that aviation takes over their life, in which case they already belong to someone elses FBO. Or, those who see the full page glossies that offer guaranteed interviews with airlines, CFI positions, 9 months from start to airline etc and are consumed that way. How would you help them see beyond that, and pick up their ratings at your school?

April 6th, 2006, 15:21	#44
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast Posts: 5,044	Aviation is the biggest sausage fest known to mankind.

April 6th, 2006, 16:03	#45
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April 6th, 2006, 16:32	#46
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 790	mmmm.... Brats.

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