strike yourself out of a job

[mpenguin1]

Originally Posted by mrivc211

Mike, its not hard to come to work and wanna try hard when you work for a company that compensates you well and doesnt try and stick it where the sun don't shine. Do you honestly think these people would be so happy go lucky if southwest all of a sudden imposed 32.5% wage cuts, reduced vacation time and made them work more for less money?

Your statement said that they have the can-do attitude right? Well I'm sure a lot of people would have the can-do attitude if they got back most of what they were making, and maybe, just maybe kept up with inflation in their salaries.

You're stretching, anything to prove me wrong, those airlines that I mentioned, most of my dealings with them were before their pay-raises, after the pay-raises, & after the pay-cuts. Never once do I remember anything changing, whether good or bad.....

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by TonyC

They say "Ignorance is Bliss"...

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I can start that thread but would you contribute...?

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by fly22

All aboard, Maxs Daisy Train is leaving station.

Sorry Max I'll have to stay behind on this journey!!!

I'll forgive you this time...

[CapnJim]

Originally Posted by Looking4Lower

That's a great word - I'm gonna start using that one! Also, kudos on linking to that German kid video.

For your excellent work today, I invite you to join me in a 'nana:

I would love too, but I was soundly roastsed in the Lav today for my indescretions regarding our CIC's position towards sub-Saharan Africa. So now, I can only join you in a Nana of Shame:

<-- Nana of Shame

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by CapnJim

I would love too, but I was soundly roastsed in the Lav today for my indescretions regarding our CIC's position towards sub-Saharan Africa. So now, I can only join you in a Nana of Shame:

<-- Nana of Shame

And what's up with the creepy softcore Ja-porn-ime

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

And what's up with the creepy softcore Ja-porn-ime

As opposed to furries avatar? An I think thats Chun Li dude...Chun Li!!!

[Alchemy]

Oh yeah, I had many a good E. Honda vs. Chun Li matches. I think Guile was my character of choice though....gotta have that F-16 in the background.

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

As opposed to furries avatar? An I think thats Chun Li dude...Chun Li!!!

Oh jeez, you're right, how ever could I forget

Well I guess we know who the resident JC fetishist is, eh?

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

Oh yeah, I had many a good E. Honda vs. Chun Li matches. I think Guile was my character of choice though....gotta have that F-16 in the background.

Baaaahhhh...it was ALWAYS about Ken!

[CapnJim]

Yeah Ford, you know you like it.







<----- Booya!

[Tim]

Ok here is my 2 cents worth. I have read all 8 pages but the original notwhereeverhe is obviously is either very very new to the industry or just absoutely brain dead. Sound like he has been buying in to Matsen's and Grinsteins theory of airline relativity. Sure pilots are paid well, no problem there, we all want to be. What the company forgets is that years ago they said we want our pilots to be the best paid in the industry and considered the cream of the crop. The same company now says that we can't afford you but we can pay millions to lawyers and Leo and the gang. Maybe Doug and help clarify this. I know that yes salary seems to be the big topic but isnt the turning over of the pension a very big sticking point? Hell who wants to take a 32.5% cut then have to give up another 18% not I!!! I gave my 19% and got out. The company is making the pilots the bad guys when the pilots have offered a deal and company wont budge on theirs. Someone forgot how negotations works.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

I can start that thread but would you contribute...?

Given the context, the word "contribute" seems so inappropriate.







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[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by TonyC

Given the context, the word "contribute" seems so inappropriate.







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Don't worry the only thing I'd want from you is to take my $45k check to learned to fly your FDX 727-200 as captain. As a matter of fact..my $45k should ensure that I only fly the 200 model and not a 100 series And I want to preferably fly the Advanced model.

If you don't let me I'll just go to JetU and steal a job from CAT.

[777DOC]

Originally Posted by B767Driver

Okay...I'll bite. But, first I must say I'm dissappointed with your delivery...a successful, mature, professional should deliver a good measure of self-control...a trait characteristic of strong mental, moral and emotional conditioning. When your emotions break down...which can be tempting in times like these...your jugdment, common sense and decision making ability will suffer. All things a pro pilot should monitor when assessing their fitness to make sound decisions.

Now...back to your post. The pilots love their job and their airline and are willing to do what it takes to make the corp. successful. I think if you study the financials behind the proposals...you'll find that to be the truth.

Contract negotiations are tough, complicated, comprehensive and must blend two separate objectives into a workable solution. Successful negotiations should produce such a solution...and frequently do. It's how collective bargaining agreements work. The latest NFL CBA is a good recent example of how the process works.

If you don't stand up for yourself, however, you may not be successful in recovering some of your objectives.

To make a post like you did...I think demonstrates a lack of understanding of the CBA process.

Just ask the legions of A&P's and other TOC personnel that just hit the bricks last week. We were afforded many opportunities to organize in the past but.........after two cuts in pay and benefits , all they cared about was can we grow beards, were shorts and have a barbecue on company time.

I’m not saying organized labor would have saved all our jobs, but it may have given the soldiers in the trenches a fighting chance.

In the game of life, you are either the hammer or the nail……choose one.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Don't worry the only thing I'd want from you is to take my $45k check to learned to fly your FDX 727-200 as captain. As a matter of fact..my $45k should ensure that I only fly the 200 model and not a 100 series And I want to preferably fly the Advanced model.

What's your beef with the -100? Real men fly ... oops, never mind. What I mean to say is, the -100 is a sweet airplane, and a joy to fly.



There's a way to get to the left seat of a 727, you know. It's a long road, and it'll cost more than $45,000 all in all. But if one has the determination, it can be done. You'll have to improve your Written scores, though.






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[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by TonyC

What's your beef with the -100? Real men fly ... oops, never mind. What I mean to say is, the -100 is a sweet airplane, and a joy to fly.

Hahaha...your vernacular wit is getting better. In all actuality I have no prob with the 100 series,growing up I just didn't see many of them. On an aesthetic value I'm a size queen which is why I like the 200 series better. But then one could easily figure that one out. On a side note though yea I'd fly the hell outa a 100 series. Where can I send you my check?

[mrivc211]

Originally Posted by TonyC

What's your beef with the -100? Real men fly ... oops, never mind. What I mean to say is, the -100 is a sweet airplane, and a joy to fly.



There's a way to get to the left seat of a 727, you know. It's a long road, and it'll cost more than $45,000 all in all. But if one has the determination, it can be done. You'll have to improve your Written scores, though.






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daaaaaaaaaaaaamn. You just got knocked the F out.

[mrivc211]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Hahaha...your vernacular wit is getting better. In all actuality I have no prob with the 100 series,growing up I just didn't see many of them. On an aesthetic value I'm a size queen which is why I like the 200 series better. But then one could easily figure that one out. On a side note though yea I'd fly the hell outa a 100 series. Where can I send you my check?

Dude- your nasty. Just plain nasty. N.A.S.T.Y.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Where can I send you my check?

Hang on to your money - - work on them ratings!







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[notawannabee]

[quote=Tim]Ok here is my 2 cents worth. I have read all 8 pages but the original notwhereeverhe is obviously is either very very new to the industry or just absoutely brain dead. Sound like he has been buying in to Matsen's and Grinsteins theory of airline relativity. Sure pilots are paid well, no problem there, we all want to be. What the company forgets is that years ago they said we want our pilots to be the best paid in the industry and considered the cream of the crop. The same company now says that we can't afford you but we can pay millions to lawyers and Leo and the gang. Maybe Doug and help clarify this. I know that yes salary seems to be the big topic but isnt the turning over of the pension a very big sticking point? Hell who wants to take a 32.5% cut then have to give up another 18% not I!!! I gave my 19% and got out. The company is making the pilots the bad guys when the pilots have offered a deal and company wont budge on theirs. Someone forgot how negotations works.[/QUOT

relativity is involved, and if you look at my other post, I believe pilots are not compensated enough as it is. I, in fact, do believe that there is a good chance the corporate side could be taking advantage of the " turn down of the industry ". I'll repeat myself again by saying that there may be a place for unions....I'm merely a product of my environment and have been " brainwashed (?) " into thinking unions are "bad" for many reasons. There may be people that are " brainwashed (?)" into thinking unions are good ....for many reasons. I learn best from contradiction...no offense taken from your post..it was an informative opinion.

[mrivc211]

relativity is involved, and if you look at my other post, I believe pilots are not compensated enough as it is. I, in fact, do believe that there is a good chance the corporate side could be taking advantage of the " turn down of the industry ". I'll repeat myself again by saying that there may be a place for unions....I'm merely a product of my environment and have been " brainwashed (?) " into thinking unions are "bad" for many reasons. There may be people that are " brainwashed (?)" into thinking unions are good ....for many reasons. I learn best from contradiction...no offense taken from your post..it was an informative opinion.

Could be taking advantage of the down turn? How about taking advantage of the whole 9/11 thing? How about mgmt blaming the furloughs and lost revenue solely on 9/11 instead of saying it was slightly related to it? Where've you been for the last 4 and 1/2 years?