strike yourself out of a job

[mpenguin1]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

*cough*

Holy cow, I about choked on my pepsi when I read this.

I guess I must have been dreaming when I've seen all of the SWA "UNITY" tags on flight kits in the terminals.

How does a heavily unionized airline operate as a non-union airline?

"The internal combustion engine... Neither internal, nor combustion, discuss!"

Well clean up your Pepsi, you don't want to get ants.

As to SWA, very simply, the employees are highly motivated and they actually enjoy working for the company.

Doug, as you know, I have or have had dealings with a ton of airlines, which includes: Delta, American, Alaska, United, US Air, Hawaiian, Aloha, Airtran, Midwest, & a bunch of other US carriers that I am too lazy to type out, & an assortment of non-us airlines. My dealings vary from the Back office workers, to the flight attendants, to the mechanics, to the pilots.

What I mean by a non-union mentality, is that the people at Southwest have a can-do attitude and for a low-cost carrier, they actually pride themselves on their customer service skills.

Now if you want to spit out your Pepsi & treat me as a novice in the airline industry, by all means, do.....

[bob loblaw]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Please, let me save you a little time, notawannabe. But by all means, please do some googling and some research behind the sound bites because quite frankly you're showing up to a discussion on quantum physics with stuff you learned from "Quantum Leap".

I've heard several interesting things like they need to gain more of the market. Do a little reading on how much of the market the airline actually has.

I've heard some blurbs about fleet simplification. No one truly has a simplified fleet except, for example, Jet Blue that runs primarily A320's. A simplified fleet doesn't do jack beyond satisfy an industry analyst that thinks it does.

Trust me, do a little more reading and a lot less opining.

In the eyes of analyst a standardized fleet saves an airline more money. They feel that having less different types of airframes means less schooling and training for their mechanics. The wage issue I was eluding to as it relates to Southwest is the Ramp Crew and Ticket Agents. I believe a union company would pay more per hour for these services.

[bob loblaw]

Originally Posted by mpenguin1

Well clean up your Pepsi, you don't want to get ants.

As to SWA, very simply, the employees are highly motivated and they actually enjoy working for the company.

Doug, as you know, I have or have had dealings with a ton of airlines, which includes: Delta, American, Alaska, United, US Air, Hawaiian, Aloha, Airtran, Midwest, & a bunch of other US carriers that I am too lazy to type out, & an assortment of non-us airlines. My dealings vary from the Back office workers, to the flight attendants, to the mechanics, to the pilots.

What I mean by a non-union mentality, is that the people at Southwest have a can-do attitude and for a low-cost carrier, they actually pride themselves on their customer service skills.

Now if you want to spit out your Pepsi & treat me as a novice in the airline industry, by all means, do.....

I've seen the show "Airline." Most of the workers look mean, overworked, and under appreciated.

[Doug Taylor]

But Pengy, the big southern airline named after part of a river is more than 90% non-union.

Google some of the comments that Herb Kelleher said about the employees of that large southern airline and post them for us to see. Not the management but the employees.

[mpenguin1]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Actually, about 100% of the airlines hedge fuel, "legacies" (whatever the heck that means), LCC's, frieght, etc.

Generally an airline will try to anticipate what the price of fuel is going to do. If they see it rising, they'll hit the open market to purchase mass amounts of rights to purchase fuel at a rate lower than they predict it's supposed to go.

If they think it's going to go down after they have the hedges (or, in my case, the company has ulterior motives), they'll sell the hedges to another party.

Everyone, not just LCC's hedge fuel.

Yep, as you said most/all of the airlines hedge, the only difference is how much. Southwest just got lucky & hedged heavily more than anybody else, it was a gamble & it worked in their favor.

[aloft]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

If they think it's going to go down after they have the hedges (or, in my case, the company has ulterior motives), they'll sell the hedges to another party.

Lemme get this straight: you're saying comes-after-Charlie management sold their fuel hedges so they'd lose money on fuel intentionally???

If so, investors have a pretty good case for a class action lawsuit.

[Doug Taylor]

I, personally, aren't saying this, but there are others that have made this sentiment.

[jtrain609]

Fuel hedges are teh s uck

[Doug Taylor]

I am the walrus.

[Brazilian_Pilot]

After reading this whole thread all I have to say is good luck Delta and Northwest employees, god bless you guys. I would hate to see all those people on the street.

I just hate the fact that all this people have to pay due to irresponsible management, part of being a great CEO or executive is being able to have your company adapt to different market conditions. AMR corp was able to avoid bankrupcy using a Union Friendly approach.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I am the walrus.

I am the queer..queer coo ca chu!

[pilot602]

Originally Posted by mpenguin1

Well clean up your Pepsi, you don't want to get ants.

As to SWA, very simply, the employees are highly motivated and they actually enjoy working for the company.

Doug, as you know, I have or have had dealings with a ton of airlines, which includes: Delta, American, Alaska, United, US Air, Hawaiian, Aloha, Airtran, Midwest, & a bunch of other US carriers that I am too lazy to type out, & an assortment of non-us airlines. My dealings vary from the Back office workers, to the flight attendants, to the mechanics, to the pilots.

What I mean by a non-union mentality, is that the people at Southwest have a can-do attitude and for a low-cost carrier, they actually pride themselves on their customer service skills.

Now if you want to spit out your Pepsi & treat me as a novice in the airline industry, by all means, do.....

Uh, real quick, if the unions are so bad and have created so many problems explain how the only unionized entity at Delta has never struck. I dunno, but to me, that is more than enough proof of a "let's get it done" attitude.

[BCTAv8r]

Originally Posted by notawannabee

I'm sorry to bore you with my dim-witted opinions and questions. I'll admit I'm not on the up and up. I don't know all the answers, but I guarantee you that no one else here does either. Thanks for the other comments in the post..I learned something

Which is why Google exists and many people have referred you to already.

[SeanD]

Originally Posted by JEP

Google will work wonders. 2 seconds and I came up with a pretty good number from a fairly recent article. Do the work.......

Okay this is off topic but I thought I would attempt some comic relief for a second. This is pretty funny for all you anti-Bush people. Go to Google search the word "failure" and click the Im Feeling Lucky tab instead of the Search tab. I guess the Google people do not care for Bush

[bob loblaw]

Another thing I forgot to mention about Southwest is Pilot's moral and the fact that the airline is managed well. You never hear about pilots moaning about management and about how they feel the airline is run. You do hear customer complaints about Southwest as far as the size of the seats, but this is also what makes the airline profitable. Every seat that can be filled is filled.

Watching the show Airline, the main complaint I see is Southwest always overbooks their flights.

[TonyC]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

And my ("lady friend") took it even better in the end.

But that's another thread...











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[TonyC]

Originally Posted by notawannabee

(strike yourself out of a job...)

while your at it, strike so all the other people who rely on Delta to provide a living for their family cannot do so anymore. Unions are for people who cannot think for themselves or are incapable of making a statement for change. Unions are for people with a sense of entitlement no matter the condition of the industry they chose as their profession. get another job. That's what other people have to do when their company or industry goes under. Unions are for the weak. If you want change then just do it yourself. I'm sick and tired of people who have an inflated sense of entitlement.

They say "Ignorance is Bliss"...












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[fly22]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

I am the queer..queer coo ca chu!

All aboard, Maxs Daisy Train is leaving station.

Sorry Max I'll have to stay behind on this journey!!!

[CapnJim]

Why is it the most retarded posts get the most pages? First "A thread with 1000 posts", now this!

I don't know exactly what level of dipsh'ttitude you have to be ranked at to go on a website owned by a Delta pilot and ooze out such a blatantly gratitous inflammatory pile of dung as the start of this thread, but it has to be right up there with this guy.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by CapnJim

it has to be right up there with this guy.

I just wanna reach through my screen and slap him!

[SeanD]

Originally Posted by CapnJim

Why is it the most retarded posts get the most pages? First "A thread with 1000 posts", now this!

I don't know exactly what level of dipsh'ttitude you have to be ranked at to go on a website owned by a Delta pilot and ooze out such a blatantly gratitous inflammatory pile of dung as the start of this thread, but it has to be right up there with this guy.

WOW! one word for that kid LITHIUM

[Ripper3785]

Originally Posted by SeanD

Okay this is off topic but I thought I would attempt some comic relief for a second. This is pretty funny for all you anti-Bush people. Go to Google search the word "failure" and click the Im Feeling Lucky tab instead of the Search tab. I guess the Google people do not care for Bush

Welcome to 2+ years ago.

Has nothing to do with google not liking bush.(although they may not)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/google.asp

/end thread hikjack

[SeanD]

Originally Posted by Ripper3785

Welcome to 2+ years ago.

Has nothing to do with google not liking bush.(although they may not)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/google.asp

/end thread hikjack

Oh shush, I had to get a new flux capasitor

[mrivc211]

Originally Posted by mpenguin1

Well clean up your Pepsi, you don't want to get ants.

As to SWA, very simply, the employees are highly motivated and they actually enjoy working for the company.

Doug, as you know, I have or have had dealings with a ton of airlines, which includes: Delta, American, Alaska, United, US Air, Hawaiian, Aloha, Airtran, Midwest, & a bunch of other US carriers that I am too lazy to type out, & an assortment of non-us airlines. My dealings vary from the Back office workers, to the flight attendants, to the mechanics, to the pilots.

What I mean by a non-union mentality, is that the people at Southwest have a can-do attitude and for a low-cost carrier, they actually pride themselves on their customer service skills.

Now if you want to spit out your Pepsi & treat me as a novice in the airline industry, by all means, do.....

Mike, its not hard to come to work and wanna try hard when you work for a company that compensates you well and doesnt try and stick it where the sun don't shine. Do you honestly think these people would be so happy go lucky if southwest all of a sudden imposed 32.5% wage cuts, reduced vacation time and made them work more for less money?

Your statement said that they have the can-do attitude right? Well I'm sure a lot of people would have the can-do attitude if they got back most of what they were making, and maybe, just maybe kept up with inflation in their salaries.

[Looking4Lower]

Originally Posted by CapnJim

dipsh'ttitude ]

That's a great word - I'm gonna start using that one! Also, kudos on linking to that German kid video.

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