strike yourself out of a job - Page 4

Bigey · April 5th, 2006, 01:16

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

BTW, without a union, I would have gotten fired for running Jetcareers two months ago when some of my users were bring Delta Connection Academy to task.

Anyone remember?

Certainly do.

Kristie · April 5th, 2006, 01:16

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...its my little way of stickin it to the man

but isn't that sticking it to yourself?

notawannabee · April 5th, 2006, 01:18

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Originally Posted by Kristie

Nope, but we're starting to lose some long term peeps again...the stability in the job is just not what it used to be anymore.. the only reason i stay is cuz of the flexibility but even that is wanning now and i'm getting more and more flack for wanting to take even a day off...but that's off topic! haha

Notawannabe, I know that if you had the solution to non-unionized pilot labor, you'd be a rich man...however, that's not really what i'm asking (i must have stated myself incorrectly). what i'm asking is if/when you get up to where all the other airline pilots are currently how are you going to verifiably protect yourself without a union? I figured if you had a "plan" of sorts, then that would explain why you destest unions so much (as your tone seems to state).

I wouldn't say I detest them, and like I said, there is probably a place for them. As for my plan...I'm trying to stay out of the majors / regionals and do corporate....what I'd really like to do is own my own air service....small of course..maybe some island hopping. live in a grass hut and eat coconuts.

Doug Taylor · April 5th, 2006, 01:19

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Man, didn't you read before? If you'd have gotten fired, the best thing to do is to move on!!

Geez . . .

Oh hell, do you think I could have afforded two independent labor attorneys on my own?

Well, one I covered, but the other one was provided by my union.

Looking4Lower · April 5th, 2006, 01:24

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

I'm not sure. I didn't really read this thread and I've had a few beers, so anything could happen here...

I'm with you, man. However, I am intrigued by the monkeys throwing out $100 bills like confetti. If its IS true that Unions are holding us back from these amazing monkeys, we have an American crisis on our hands and I will take action.

FO_SHIZZLE · April 5th, 2006, 01:30

I think the whole airline job vs. job X out in the real world comparison is pretty much bunk. I doubt when you were in the oil industry were you "locked in" by a senority system. This is what I mean:

Say you've worked 10 years in the oil industry and you have built up some good experience and accomplished quite a few things. Along with that you're pay has increased as well. Say things turn south at your company and you start looking for work elsewhere; I'm sure that you are looking for pay and benefits in line with your experience and accomplishments right? Unfortunately in the airline industry it does not quite work that way.

If you were a CRJ Capt. for FlyI and making $80 an hour with years of experience in the aircraft, and you started at another regional, flying the same aircraft that you have so much experince with and accomplishments in guess what you get paid? $23/hr and sittin reserve.

So mgmt knows that they have you over the barrel because they know it is such a hard thing in this industry to lose that senority number. So you need that union, as a necessary evil, to counterbalance that and attempt to keep mgmt in check because this industry is very difficult to survive on your own.

I would love not to have to have a union, and I think ALPA is fat and really needs to get itself together. The only real solution would be to a systemwide regional senority list as well as one for the majors but thats a pipe dream as they say. It would be easier to get Whitney off the rock but it would solve alot of the problems I think.

Looking4Lower · April 5th, 2006, 01:32

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Originally Posted by notawannabee

.maybe some island hopping. live in a grass hut and eat coconuts.

You think you can escape management/labor issues doing that?

You'll spend your days sweating your butt off on the pedal-powered generator, The Skipper will be constantly yelling at you for every little mistake you make, The Professor will get to use all the best high-tech gear in the hut, and Mr. and Mrs. Howell will still make all the money.

Doug Taylor · April 5th, 2006, 01:36

And when the Cessna breaks down at that Island you dropped the couple off on. Skipper will scream, "Hey! That's not a maintenance station, you fly it back now, or yuffired!", you'll remember this thread and do the "I could have had a V-8" head slap.

mtsu_av8er · April 5th, 2006, 01:36

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Originally Posted by FO_SHIZZLE

It would be easier to get Whitney off the rock but it would solve alot of the problems I think.

Man, she's not getting off of that rock! Her name needs to be Whitney Biggums!

notawannabee · April 5th, 2006, 01:39

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Originally Posted by Looking4Lower

You think you can escape management/labor issues doing that?

You'll spend your days sweating your butt off on the pedal-powered generator, The Skipper will be constantly yelling at you for every little mistake you make, The Professor will get to use all the best high-tech gear in the hut, and Mr. and Mrs. Howell will still make all the money.

as long as ginger and mary-ann are there...I'd be happy

Maximillian_Jenius · April 5th, 2006, 01:46

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Originally Posted by Champcar

Do me a favor and read insted of jumping to conclusions. I said that ALPA was a good union but there are some (like my dads) that do the exact opposite. I said nothing about the airlines other than saying good things about the holly grail of pilots, ALPA

Dude...you have two dads?

mtsu_av8er · April 5th, 2006, 01:50

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Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Dude...you have two dads?

That's nasty . . . and freaky at the same time!!

Doug Taylor · April 5th, 2006, 01:53

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

That's nasty . . . and freaky at the same time!!

Time for a Brokeback quote! (*) "I cain't quit you..."

(*) I have not seen the movie.

Maximillian_Jenius · April 5th, 2006, 02:04

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

That's nasty . . . and freaky at the same time!!

Still ain't got my stuff in the mail..now that is freaky!

Maximillian_Jenius · April 5th, 2006, 02:05

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Time for a Brokeback quote! (*) "I cain't quit you..."

(*) I have not seen the movie.

Out on video today!

mtsu_av8er · April 5th, 2006, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Still ain't got my stuff in the mail..now that is freaky!

Hey, speaking of which - I talked to the "ol lady today, and she actually forgot about it and so it's in the mail RIGHT NOW!!!

Sorry about that - I haven't been there to handle the homefront, so I had to leave it with her.

I'm sure there's new stuff out by now that I haven't even seen yet - I'll be caught up this weekend, though!

notawannabee · April 5th, 2006, 02:07

it could be argued that bankruptcy profitering is a necessity for increased market share. Here in ATL, airtran's lines are LONG..they must be doing well. What are they doing right ? prices ? new jets ? XM radio ?

Kingairer · April 5th, 2006, 02:09

new broom sweeps clean

Doug Taylor · April 5th, 2006, 02:09

Increased market share? 20% of the US domestic market is too small? Arooo?!

aloft · April 5th, 2006, 02:35

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

(*) I have not seen the movie.

What are you, some kinda homophobe?

Doug Taylor · April 5th, 2006, 02:40

Nope! Hey, I bought Max and his "lady friend" a meal at Hamburger Mary's. That's a "Get Out of Homophobe Jail FREE!" card if there was ever one!

aloft · April 5th, 2006, 03:10

See, that's what I love about the Doog...brotha's already bled red for his employer, but still doesn't hesitate to pick up the check. Now, when are we meetin' up up here in The SLC?

Back on subject for a moment...

The strike vote is an impressive sign of solidarity, but I very seriously doubt the pilots will be allowed to strike. Mark my words, if a strike comes about--which no doubt would drive DL into the history books--the Bush administration will order pilots back into the cockpit, a la the '97 AA strike. Unfortunately, the precedent's been set and the unions have been thusly de-fanged.

Maximillian_Jenius · April 5th, 2006, 03:11

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Nope! Hey, I bought Max and his "lady friend" a meal at Hamburger Mary's. That's a "Get Out of Homophobe Jail FREE!" card if there was ever one!

Yep! He did. I took it pretty well. And my ("lady friend") took it even better in the end.

Oh...FYI as I learned this weekend at gay pride PHX. Hamburger Mary's is now called "Burger Betty's." (lame) They swtich their franchise!

mrivc211 · April 5th, 2006, 03:32

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Originally Posted by wheelsup

Skywest found the solution, although there has been grumbling around their camp fire about ALPA coming on property.

My friend, my friend, my friend.

ALPA and the SkyWest pilots organizing committee will be hosting informational meetings at the SLC airport in the Jazz room (adjacent to the DAL Crown room).

The dates and times are as follows:

4/19/06 4pm – 6pm

4/20/06 Noon – 2pm & 5pm – 7pm

4/21/06 10am – Noon

aloft · April 5th, 2006, 04:53

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Originally Posted by mrivc211

in the Jazz room (adjacent to the DAL Crown room).

Will they be serving cocktails?

April 5th, 2006, 01:30	#81
FO_SHIZZLE Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CLT Posts: 198	Apples vs. Oranges I think the whole airline job vs. job X out in the real world comparison is pretty much bunk. I doubt when you were in the oil industry were you "locked in" by a senority system. This is what I mean: Say you've worked 10 years in the oil industry and you have built up some good experience and accomplished quite a few things. Along with that you're pay has increased as well. Say things turn south at your company and you start looking for work elsewhere; I'm sure that you are looking for pay and benefits in line with your experience and accomplishments right? Unfortunately in the airline industry it does not quite work that way. If you were a CRJ Capt. for FlyI and making $80 an hour with years of experience in the aircraft, and you started at another regional, flying the same aircraft that you have so much experince with and accomplishments in guess what you get paid? $23/hr and sittin reserve. So mgmt knows that they have you over the barrel because they know it is such a hard thing in this industry to lose that senority number. So you need that union, as a necessary evil, to counterbalance that and attempt to keep mgmt in check because this industry is very difficult to survive on your own. I would love not to have to have a union, and I think ALPA is fat and really needs to get itself together. The only real solution would be to a systemwide regional senority list as well as one for the majors but thats a pipe dream as they say. It would be easier to get Whitney off the rock but it would solve alot of the problems I think.

April 5th, 2006, 01:36	#83
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	And when the Cessna breaks down at that Island you dropped the couple off on. Skipper will scream, "Hey! That's not a maintenance station, you fly it back now, or yuffired!", you'll remember this thread and do the "I could have had a V-8" head slap. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

April 5th, 2006, 02:09	#93
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,215	new broom sweeps clean __________________ "I do not proofread"

April 5th, 2006, 02:09	#94
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Increased market share? 20% of the US domestic market is too small? Arooo?! __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

April 5th, 2006, 02:40	#96
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Nope! Hey, I bought Max and his "lady friend" a meal at Hamburger Mary's. That's a "Get Out of Homophobe Jail FREE!" card if there was ever one! __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

April 5th, 2006, 02:07	#92
notawannabee Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 217	it could be argued that bankruptcy profitering is a necessity for increased market share. Here in ATL, airtran's lines are LONG..they must be doing well. What are they doing right ? prices ? new jets ? XM radio ?

April 5th, 2006, 03:10	#97
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 7,148	See, that's what I love about the Doog...brotha's already bled red for his employer, but still doesn't hesitate to pick up the check. Now, when are we meetin' up up here in The SLC? Back on subject for a moment... The strike vote is an impressive sign of solidarity, but I very seriously doubt the pilots will be allowed to strike. Mark my words, if a strike comes about--which no doubt would drive DL into the history books--the Bush administration will order pilots back into the cockpit, a la the '97 AA strike. Unfortunately, the precedent's been set and the unions have been thusly de-fanged. __________________ ________\|________ -------(o)- ------° ° °

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