went flying today..

captainphil · March 22nd, 2006, 18:21

Hi guys, I want to tell you about my flight that I did today. We practiced power off stalls but I know you want details so I'll tell you from start to finish

. I went through the checklists for all of them but I wont give you all the checklists, contacted ground for request to the active , taxiied their only before doing a runup, took off with out the instructors help, climbed and maintained and altitude of about 4,500 feet AGL, headed north toward the stacks over the shore were students practice, did the minimum controllable airspeed part again this time without the checklist, then he showed me how to do a power off stall correct me if im wrong, cut back power , hold nose until nose drops, shut off carb heat and add back power and level off.then I got to do 4 by myself which was really fun and my adrenaline was craving more but we had to head back to the airport so , I contacted tower told them everything that I was inbound to land and they told me to fly the right traffic on rwy 32 so I repeated to them that I understood te pattern entry proceudres. I entered downwind , turned base, then final and did a great landing wqihtout the instructor. Sorry it's so long I just felt like sharing as much information as possible with you guys.

frog_flyer · March 22nd, 2006, 18:28

cool. when you do power on stalls, as you slow to 60 and then put in full power, be sure to kick in full left rudder

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i'll prolly solo tomorrow if the weather is good. i'll letchall know

captainphil · March 22nd, 2006, 18:34

For some reason he had me putting in right rudder.Awesome , let us know how it goes , I want full details

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ajf005 · March 22nd, 2006, 18:35

you mean right rudder?? are u trying to get this guy in a spin?

shooter13 · March 22nd, 2006, 18:39

Yes that is what he was doing. D'uh!!!

KBUF · March 22nd, 2006, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

cool. when you do power on stalls, as you slow to 60 and then put in full power, be sure to kick in full left rudder

.

i'll prolly solo tomorrow if the weather is good. i'll letchall know

If you kick in full left rudder during a power on stall, that would be really bad. Right rudder (not necessarily full, just what you need to stay coordinated), but you knew that and that was just a typo, right?

Anyway, good luck on your solo tomorrow, that will be one of the best days in your aviation career!!

captainphil · March 22nd, 2006, 18:39

Yeah I thought that was the case because of slipstream torqe and p-factor.

KBUF · March 22nd, 2006, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainphil

For some reason he had me putting in right rudder.Awesome , let us know how it goes , I want full details

.

The reason he had you put in right rudder is so you don't kill him...understand that right rudder couneracts increasing left turning tendancies associated with high angle of attack, high power configurations.

Have fun with your flight training!

KBUF · March 22nd, 2006, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainphil

Yeah I thought that was the case because of slipstream torqe and p-factor.

Okay, you do understand, good

...eliminate that 'left rudder in a power on stall' notion from your head immediatley! And don't forget gyroscopic precession.

captainphil · March 22nd, 2006, 18:48

Wouldn't want to wnd up in a graveyard spiral , the results wiont be pleasant

Theotokos · March 22nd, 2006, 18:53

Usually, and I think this is the case for all aircraft, we pull carb heat before pulling back full power. We are already at 2300 RPM and it is then we pull back carb heat (pulling it back with full power if bad on the engine). Then after having pulled carb heat out, we pull power back to 1700 and slow into the white arc and beging addding flaps, pull back power to idle, and stall. I was taught you had to add carb heat before pulling to idle for the good of the engine. Maybe that plane is different, but I assumed it was the same for all.

captainphil · March 22nd, 2006, 18:56

Theotokos you are absolutely right, I forgot that thank you. yes we added flaps

Doug Taylor · March 22nd, 2006, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajf005

you mean right rudder?? are u trying to get this guy in a spin?

Remember what I said about online flight instruction?

Theotokos · March 22nd, 2006, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainphil

Theotokos you are absolutely right, I forgot that thank you. yes we added flaps

No problem. I know how it is on posting. Can't always recall everything correctly. I was not trying to sound like a smart ellic, just telling how I was taught was safe and good on the airplane--ie carb heat out before power is pulled to idle.

skyhawk39 · March 22nd, 2006, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

cool. when you do power on stalls, as you slow to 60 and then put in full power, be sure to kick in full left rudder

.

i'll prolly solo tomorrow if the weather is good. i'll letchall know

life ain't microsoft flight simulator...

Kristie · March 22nd, 2006, 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

cool. when you do power on stalls, as you slow to 60 and then put in full power, be sure to kick in full left rudder

.

Either someone doesn't really know how to fly and is trying to be a "poser" (hint: we don't like those here...) or your trying to get the guy and his instructor killed... either way, that was really *wrong* in my eyes....

IF you don't know or your unsure - do not assume...you'll end up getting yourself kilt...dead...

frog_flyer · March 22nd, 2006, 22:36

guys, guys, guys, gal.

CHILL

smiley face after a comment means

!!!!

let me rephrase

"as you near 60kias and push in throttle and carb heat if you're in a ghetto ass 172 and pull up to get into a power on stall, be sure to add gobbs of left rudder ************************************************JO KE ALERT********************************************* ******** for your, and your instructor's enjoyment." actually, let your instructor show you a spin AT SOME POINT DURING YOUR TRAINING, theyre badass

spins are fun as hell
do eet SOME TIME, DONT RUSH IT THOUGH

edit: modified to make sure everyone knew it was a joke
second edit: added a few astericks (sp?) for shock value, and added sense of sarcasm.
third edit: for my tennessee pal

mtsu_av8er · March 22nd, 2006, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

. . . let your instructor show you a spin, theyre badass

spins are fun as hell . . .

There's absolutely NO instructional value to have an instructor doing spins with a pre-solo student pilot.

frog_flyer · March 22nd, 2006, 23:10

i never gave a time line for this happening chaco.

people seriously should calmate

BobDDuck · March 22nd, 2006, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

There's absolutely NO instructional value to have an instructor doing spins with a pre-solo student pilot.

Hah... My instructor spun me before I even saw a landing.

The FAA handbook says the first flight is supposed to be a calm flight to a nearby airport yada yada yada... well, we took off, cruised along a bit. Then did some turns/climbs airwork. Then it was on to steep turns, stalls and chandels. Then he goes.... "now you don't have to do this ever again until you get your CFI, but I want to show you this so you know how to get out if you have to." Boom - spin to the left. Scared the heck out of me. We did one more where he had me recover and then we didn't ever do them again.

I don't entirly agree with doing spins with a PPL, especially pre solo and definatly not on the first lesson, but I do understand why he did them. I knew WHY it was important to use rudder in a stall and I felt confindant that if something did go wrong I could get out of it even if I was solo.

shooter13 · March 22nd, 2006, 23:30

a long long long time ago when I first started flying as a 16 year old (back when I had hair...) My instructor had not done spins with me. I had done my supervised solos in the pattern and was up one day doing some practice stalls. I was practicing departure stalls in a C152 and I remember feeling the buffet thinking was that the stall? About the time that feeling came, the wing went over the top, the earth got real big in the windshield and I was on my way down. Keep in mind I was only at about 2000 AGL to start this. I remembered the recovery (which thankfully in a 150/152 is mostly about letting go of the controls and recovered at about 700 feet. Flew back to the airport, landed and threw up out the door of the airplane. I told my instructor that before I flew again I wanted practice practice practice at stalls and also on spin recoveries. I don't know why we don't teach it for your private. Seems to me that it is important stuff. Glad I have done them. Now f I can find someone to do some aerobatics with.

Mariano · March 22nd, 2006, 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

There's absolutely NO instructional value to have an instructor doing spins with a pre-solo student pilot.

And tell me Lloyd....how the heck would you know that??!!

frog_flyer · March 22nd, 2006, 23:40

yeah. i was up with the assistant chief pilot when we did the spins, he likes doing them more than my regular instructor

.. after he did the first one he said "the 172 is so stable you really dont have to do much to get it out of a spin" he did another one and as soon as we started into a second loop he goes "wellp, i got us in a good one" i got an extra laugh in as he pulled out of it.

My instructor always gives me oral quizzes on the way out to the practice area... and quite often asks me about recovering from a spin.

and for tennesse pal, the spin demonstration is NOT part of the regular 'curriculum' . i specifically and persistantly asked to spin.

frog_flyer · March 22nd, 2006, 23:42

I don't know why we don't teach it for your private. Seems to me that it is important stuff. Glad I have done them. Now f I can find someone to do some aerobatics with. [/quote]

<------

me me me

Mariano · March 22nd, 2006, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

and for tennesse pal, the spin demonstration is NOT part of the regular 'curriculum' . i specifically and persistantly asked to spin.

I'm sure Lloyd ( and the rest of us) learned something new today, thanks Frog

P.S. Lloyd is from them Golden Gates (not from Tennesse), he is a Marine and knows a million ways to put you in a hell (just kidding Frog)

March 22nd, 2006, 18:21	#1
captainphil Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 406	went flying today.. Hi guys, I want to tell you about my flight that I did today. We practiced power off stalls but I know you want details so I'll tell you from start to finish . I went through the checklists for all of them but I wont give you all the checklists, contacted ground for request to the active , taxiied their only before doing a runup, took off with out the instructors help, climbed and maintained and altitude of about 4,500 feet AGL, headed north toward the stacks over the shore were students practice, did the minimum controllable airspeed part again this time without the checklist, then he showed me how to do a power off stall correct me if im wrong, cut back power , hold nose until nose drops, shut off carb heat and add back power and level off.then I got to do 4 by myself which was really fun and my adrenaline was craving more but we had to head back to the airport so , I contacted tower told them everything that I was inbound to land and they told me to fly the right traffic on rwy 32 so I repeated to them that I understood te pattern entry proceudres. I entered downwind , turned base, then final and did a great landing wqihtout the instructor. Sorry it's so long I just felt like sharing as much information as possible with you guys. __________________ The sky is calling!!

March 22nd, 2006, 18:28	#2
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,056 Blog Entries: 1	cool. when you do power on stalls, as you slow to 60 and then put in full power, be sure to kick in full left rudder . i'll prolly solo tomorrow if the weather is good. i'll letchall know __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor 210TT 20 ME

March 22nd, 2006, 18:34	#3
captainphil Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 406	For some reason he had me putting in right rudder.Awesome , let us know how it goes , I want full details . __________________ The sky is calling!!

March 22nd, 2006, 18:39	#5
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	Not nice! Yes that is what he was doing. D'uh!!!

March 22nd, 2006, 18:39	#7
captainphil Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 406	Yeah I thought that was the case because of slipstream torqe and p-factor. __________________ The sky is calling!!

March 22nd, 2006, 18:35	#4
ajf005 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 138	you mean right rudder?? are u trying to get this guy in a spin?

March 22nd, 2006, 18:48	#10
captainphil Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 406	Wouldn't want to wnd up in a graveyard spiral , the results wiont be pleasant __________________ The sky is calling!!

March 22nd, 2006, 18:53	#11
Theotokos Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: BRY/KLOU/KSDF Posts: 481	Usually, and I think this is the case for all aircraft, we pull carb heat before pulling back full power. We are already at 2300 RPM and it is then we pull back carb heat (pulling it back with full power if bad on the engine). Then after having pulled carb heat out, we pull power back to 1700 and slow into the white arc and beging addding flaps, pull back power to idle, and stall. I was taught you had to add carb heat before pulling to idle for the good of the engine. Maybe that plane is different, but I assumed it was the same for all.

March 22nd, 2006, 18:56	#12
captainphil Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 406	Theotokos you are absolutely right, I forgot that thank you. yes we added flaps __________________ The sky is calling!!

March 22nd, 2006, 22:36	#17
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,056 Blog Entries: 1	guys, guys, guys, gal. CHILL smiley face after a comment means !!!! let me rephrase "as you near 60kias and push in throttle and carb heat if you're in a ghetto ass 172 and pull up to get into a power on stall, be sure to add gobbs of left rudder **********************************************JO KE ALERT***************************************** **** for your, and your instructor's enjoyment." actually, let your instructor show you a spin AT SOME POINT DURING YOUR TRAINING, theyre badass spins are fun as hell do eet SOME TIME, DONT RUSH IT THOUGH edit: modified to make sure everyone knew it was a joke second edit: added a few astericks (sp?) for shock value, and added sense of sarcasm. third edit: for my tennessee pal __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ***** partying!" -Doug Taylor 210TT 20 ME Last edited by frog_flyer; March 22nd, 2006 at 23:13.

March 22nd, 2006, 23:10	#19
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,056 Blog Entries: 1	i never gave a time line for this happening chaco. people seriously should calmate __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor 210TT 20 ME

March 22nd, 2006, 23:30	#21
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	Well I can tell you a long long long time ago when I first started flying as a 16 year old (back when I had hair...) My instructor had not done spins with me. I had done my supervised solos in the pattern and was up one day doing some practice stalls. I was practicing departure stalls in a C152 and I remember feeling the buffet thinking was that the stall? About the time that feeling came, the wing went over the top, the earth got real big in the windshield and I was on my way down. Keep in mind I was only at about 2000 AGL to start this. I remembered the recovery (which thankfully in a 150/152 is mostly about letting go of the controls and recovered at about 700 feet. Flew back to the airport, landed and threw up out the door of the airplane. I told my instructor that before I flew again I wanted practice practice practice at stalls and also on spin recoveries. I don't know why we don't teach it for your private. Seems to me that it is important stuff. Glad I have done them. Now f I can find someone to do some aerobatics with.

March 22nd, 2006, 23:40	#23
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,056 Blog Entries: 1	yeah. i was up with the assistant chief pilot when we did the spins, he likes doing them more than my regular instructor .. after he did the first one he said "the 172 is so stable you really dont have to do much to get it out of a spin" he did another one and as soon as we started into a second loop he goes "wellp, i got us in a good one" i got an extra laugh in as he pulled out of it. My instructor always gives me oral quizzes on the way out to the practice area... and quite often asks me about recovering from a spin. and for tennesse pal, the spin demonstration is NOT part of the regular 'curriculum' . i specifically and persistantly asked to spin. __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor 210TT 20 ME

March 22nd, 2006, 23:42	#24
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,056 Blog Entries: 1	I don't know why we don't teach it for your private. Seems to me that it is important stuff. Glad I have done them. Now f I can find someone to do some aerobatics with. [/quote] <------ me me me __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor 210TT 20 ME

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