went flying today.. - Page 2

CRoper · March 22nd, 2006, 23:45

I thought the left rudder remark was hilarious! On a serious note, I don't think that spins should be part of the pre-solo training, but I am all for spin awareness and a lot more stall training.

BTW this is my first post on JC in a LONG time....LOL

frog_flyer · March 22nd, 2006, 23:47

im glad someone smiled at it rather than flipping out and taking it seriously!

yay

frog_flyer · March 22nd, 2006, 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mariano

I'm sure Lloyd ( and the rest of us) learned something new today, thanks Frog

P.S. Lloyd is from them Golden Gates (not from Tennesse), he is a Marine and knows a million ways to put you in a hell (just kidding Frog)

im glad i could enlighten the jc community.
my grandpa was a marine, he would have shat himself if he knew i want to go ANG when/if (

to the right of the /) i graduate

Kristie · March 23rd, 2006, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

im glad someone smiled at it rather than flipping out and taking it seriously!

yay

sometimes it's really difficult to tell whether something's a joke or not.. we can't tell the inflection in your tone of voice as you type. smilies are typically used as "joke" or "happy" or "smiles" but not often for sarcasm...that's why we have the

and

tags.. for that specific purpose just so everyone understands where your coming from.

maybe in the future if you are indeed kidding... then at the bottom stick an "i kid.. i kid" or "kidding/joking" liek some do just so 100% of the members/guests understand that your totally NOT being serious.

k?!

frog_flyer · March 23rd, 2006, 00:26

point taken.

but, you say smilies are taken as a "joke" so then shouldnt everyone have known that i was kidding when i told the kid to put in full left rudder during a power on stall?!

your honor, i present exhibit A ^^

(being playful while making a point)

Kristie · March 23rd, 2006, 00:32

yes but sometimes they seem so subtle that they might need additional "jokster" quotes....to me, i really couldn't tell whether you were joking or not and apparently neither could some others - so if you think someone might not get it, then stick something extra in there....

Mr_Creepy · March 23rd, 2006, 07:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

There's absolutely NO instructional value to have an instructor doing spins with a pre-solo student pilot.

I'd agree most of the time, but sometimes you can with the right student (or the very very wrong student heh heh heh)

Aero_Engineer · March 23rd, 2006, 11:58

Stalling a plane never gets boring, especially when you have people sitting in the back and the look on their faces is just hilarious.

Doug Taylor · March 23rd, 2006, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aero_Engineer

Stalling a plane never gets boring, especially when you have people sitting in the back and the look on their faces is just hilarious.

People will never see flight 96 the same again!

captainphil · March 23rd, 2006, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theotokos

No problem. I know how it is on posting. Can't always recall everything correctly. I was not trying to sound like a smart ellic, just telling how I was taught was safe and good on the airplane--ie carb heat out before power is pulled to idle.

I know your not trying to sound like a smart ellic, your just giving me friendly advice which I would like more than anything because im not as experienced as most of you guys here and if I get help from the pros that would be awesome.

bob loblaw · March 23rd, 2006, 12:45

I was working with a primary student out in Jacksonville. We were practicing power on stalls, and the student would not use the rudder properly despite every demonstration I could show him. The student just could not grasp the concept of proper rudder useage. During departure stalls I would tell the student constantly more right rudder, and I would put the correct amount of right rudder in just as the airpalne stalled. I didn't want to spin, but I got tired of telling him.

So, I told the student to climb to 5,000 feet to continue stall practice. He didn't even ask me why we were going up so high. Upon reaching 5,000 feet, I told the student that I was going to place my feet flat on the floor and not touch anything during the stall and recovery. He put the airplane into a departure attitude and continued to pull back on the yoke as he was adding power. I didn't tell him he needed more right rudder, this was a lesson he needed to learn on his own. As predicted, the airplane stalled and violently rolled onto its back and pitched nose down. We were in a spin! The student looked at me for guidance and I told him to recover from the spin as he learned how to on the ground. Long story short, he now knows the proper use of the rudder.

captainphil · March 23rd, 2006, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by frog_flyer

guys, guys, guys, gal.

CHILL

smiley face after a comment means

!!!!

let me rephrase

"as you near 60kias and push in throttle and carb heat if you're in a ghetto ass 172 and pull up to get into a power on stall, be sure to add gobbs of left rudder ************************************************JO KE ALERT********************************************* ******** for your, and your instructor's enjoyment." actually, let your instructor show you a spin AT SOME POINT DURING YOUR TRAINING, theyre badass

spins are fun as hell
do eet SOME TIME, DONT RUSH IT THOUGH

edit: modified to make sure everyone knew it was a joke
second edit: added a few astericks (sp?) for shock value, and added sense of sarcasm.
third edit: for my tennessee pal

about 4 lessons ago my instructor did two spins, I loved them!! I like the g-forces that you feel.

Doug Taylor · March 23rd, 2006, 13:05

Holy cow, are you "The Wife's" husband?

Kristie · March 23rd, 2006, 13:13

where did she go anyways??

frog_flyer · March 23rd, 2006, 13:15

haha nice phil, told ya they were fun! i just soloed!

i'll put it in the announcements and i'll post pics later today in the pics thread!

captainphil · March 23rd, 2006, 18:52

congradulations forg flyer!! that's great how'd it go, give me full details and pics too .

PhotoPilot · March 23rd, 2006, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainphil

about 4 lessons ago my instructor did two spins, I loved them!! I like the g-forces that you feel.

A spin should be a 1 G maneuver . . . unless you were doing snap rolls.

Nothing like a horizontal spin to wake you up in the morning!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theotokos

Usually, and I think this is the case for all aircraft, we pull carb heat before pulling back full power.

Unless it's fuel injected!

frog_flyer · March 23rd, 2006, 19:43

so true. good ole sp's

they run 10/hr more where i train though. so i count up the number of times i have to manipulate the carb heat control, divide 10 by that number, and thats how much i 'get paid' every time i pull the carb heat

ComplexHiAv8r · March 23rd, 2006, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhotoPilot

A spin should be a 1 G maneuver . . . unless you were doing snap rolls.

Nothing like a horizontal spin to wake you up in the morning!

You doing stunt flying??? Is there a story here?

PhotoPilot · March 23rd, 2006, 23:28

Nah. Nothing too exciting. It's been at least 5 months since I did any aerobatic flying. I need to sneak some more time in the Extras that I have 'access' too sometime soon! There are definitely benefits to having friends who are aerobatic instructors.

March 22nd, 2006, 23:45	#26
CRoper Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 148	Seriously?!? I thought the left rudder remark was hilarious! On a serious note, I don't think that spins should be part of the pre-solo training, but I am all for spin awareness and a lot more stall training. BTW this is my first post on JC in a LONG time....LOL

March 22nd, 2006, 23:47	#27
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 3,970 Blog Entries: 1	im glad someone smiled at it rather than flipping out and taking it seriously! yay __________________ Charter Member - JC Pilot Motion Picture Society (JC PiMPS) "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor

March 23rd, 2006, 00:26	#30
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 3,970 Blog Entries: 1	point taken. but, you say smilies are taken as a "joke" so then shouldnt everyone have known that i was kidding when i told the kid to put in full left rudder during a power on stall?! your honor, i present exhibit A ^^ (being playful while making a point) __________________ Charter Member - JC Pilot Motion Picture Society (JC PiMPS) "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor

March 23rd, 2006, 00:32	#31
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,965 Blog Entries: 3	yes but sometimes they seem so subtle that they might need additional "jokster" quotes....to me, i really couldn't tell whether you were joking or not and apparently neither could some others - so if you think someone might not get it, then stick something extra in there.... __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

March 23rd, 2006, 13:05	#38
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Holy cow, are you "The Wife's" husband? __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

March 23rd, 2006, 11:58	#33
Aero_Engineer Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,035	Stalling a plane never gets boring, especially when you have people sitting in the back and the look on their faces is just hilarious.

March 23rd, 2006, 12:45	#36
bob loblaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 630	I was working with a primary student out in Jacksonville. We were practicing power on stalls, and the student would not use the rudder properly despite every demonstration I could show him. The student just could not grasp the concept of proper rudder useage. During departure stalls I would tell the student constantly more right rudder, and I would put the correct amount of right rudder in just as the airpalne stalled. I didn't want to spin, but I got tired of telling him. So, I told the student to climb to 5,000 feet to continue stall practice. He didn't even ask me why we were going up so high. Upon reaching 5,000 feet, I told the student that I was going to place my feet flat on the floor and not touch anything during the stall and recovery. He put the airplane into a departure attitude and continued to pull back on the yoke as he was adding power. I didn't tell him he needed more right rudder, this was a lesson he needed to learn on his own. As predicted, the airplane stalled and violently rolled onto its back and pitched nose down. We were in a spin! The student looked at me for guidance and I told him to recover from the spin as he learned how to on the ground. Long story short, he now knows the proper use of the rudder.

March 23rd, 2006, 13:13	#39
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 17,965 Blog Entries: 3	where did she go anyways?? __________________ Wife of a Delta B767 ER F/O jetgirls.net

March 23rd, 2006, 13:15	#40
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 3,970 Blog Entries: 1	haha nice phil, told ya they were fun! i just soloed! i'll put it in the announcements and i'll post pics later today in the pics thread! __________________ Charter Member - JC Pilot Motion Picture Society (JC PiMPS) "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor

March 23rd, 2006, 18:52	#41
captainphil Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 380	congradulations forg flyer!! that's great how'd it go, give me full details and pics too . __________________ The sky is calling!!

March 23rd, 2006, 19:43	#43
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 3,970 Blog Entries: 1	so true. good ole sp's they run 10/hr more where i train though. so i count up the number of times i have to manipulate the carb heat control, divide 10 by that number, and thats how much i 'get paid' every time i pull the carb heat __________________ Charter Member - JC Pilot Motion Picture Society (JC PiMPS) "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor

March 23rd, 2006, 23:28	#45
PhotoPilot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 902	Nah. Nothing too exciting. It's been at least 5 months since I did any aerobatic flying. I need to sneak some more time in the Extras that I have 'access' too sometime soon! There are definitely benefits to having friends who are aerobatic instructors. __________________ .......__o .......\<, ....( )/ ( ) If it isn't fixed, it's broken.

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