PAPI will save me!

AlexF · March 18th, 2006, 00:13

This is an interesting thing that the FAA is trying out at Long Beach (KLGB), they are installing sensors at 3 points along the runway, and if traffic is in those areas, the PAPI will flash alerting the pilot on final for that same runway to use vigilance as someone may be on the runway!

Article: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...73630#continue

FAA Power Point Presentation: http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_i...ines_Brief.pdf

BobDDuck · March 18th, 2006, 00:23

I don't see this catching on as there are many times when I have been cleared to land with traffic still on the runway (or even in the air still). It would be annoying as heck if you are tracking the PAPI/VASI down and everytime somebody in front of you lands the thing starts flashing and you loose your vertical guidance.

Maximillian_Jenius · March 18th, 2006, 03:05

PAPI Chulo saved me once too!

LostComm · March 18th, 2006, 08:34

I took part in the testing for this system. It's wired pretty tight. The researchers were looking at the reaction times required by pilots in case the system failed for some reason and an aircraft (or lawnmower or ramp truck) really was somewhere on your runway.

It's actually been installed at Long Beach for a while (and also at Flying Cloud in Minnesota - I think) but has been masked while additional field data was gathered prior to commissioning.

I hope I get to fly one of these someday (besides in the sim!)

-LC

aviategw · March 18th, 2006, 09:03

The AIM says that a VASI gives obstruction guidance/clearance. It says no such thing about a PAPI. Can I correctly infer that ONLY a VASI gives obstacle clearance?

It doesn't specifically that a PAPI either does, or does not, give any obstacle clearance.

March 18th, 2006, 00:13	#1
AlexF Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SoCal or Mexico? I get confused which is which! Posts: 870	PAPI will save me! This is an interesting thing that the FAA is trying out at Long Beach (KLGB), they are installing sensors at 3 points along the runway, and if traffic is in those areas, the PAPI will flash alerting the pilot on final for that same runway to use vigilance as someone may be on the runway! Article: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...73630#continue FAA Power Point Presentation: http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_i...ines_Brief.pdf __________________ If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?

March 18th, 2006, 00:23	#2
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,924	I don't see this catching on as there are many times when I have been cleared to land with traffic still on the runway (or even in the air still). It would be annoying as heck if you are tracking the PAPI/VASI down and everytime somebody in front of you lands the thing starts flashing and you loose your vertical guidance. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

March 18th, 2006, 03:05	#3
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 19,231	PAPI Chulo saved me once too! __________________ Rear Admiral www.gayviator.com Maximillian Pegasus

March 18th, 2006, 09:03	#5
aviategw Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 268	PAPI question... The AIM says that a VASI gives obstruction guidance/clearance. It says no such thing about a PAPI. Can I correctly infer that ONLY a VASI gives obstacle clearance? It doesn't specifically that a PAPI either does, or does not, give any obstacle clearance.

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March 18th, 2006, 08:34	#4
LostComm Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 203	I took part in the testing for this system. It's wired pretty tight. The researchers were looking at the reaction times required by pilots in case the system failed for some reason and an aircraft (or lawnmower or ramp truck) really was somewhere on your runway. It's actually been installed at Long Beach for a while (and also at Flying Cloud in Minnesota - I think) but has been masked while additional field data was gathered prior to commissioning. I hope I get to fly one of these someday (besides in the sim!) -LC