Does race have anything to do with it...?

Diamnd15 · March 17th, 2006, 01:46

Well while chatting with my instructor he said that for the several interviews he attended, he (Asian), and the other minorities were the first person not make to the next step of the interview. My instructor to my knowledge is very qualified, he had interviews at scenic, American eagle, pinnacle, and other regional’s. He has his ATP and about 1700 hours TT, and some pic turbine as well but hasn’t landed a job after a lot of interviews, now he’s going to instruct for a flight school that has a contract with Japan airlines. But my question is, I am African American, and being so in the end will it be harder for me to get a regional job just because of it. I work for united and I have only seen a hand full of African American pilots, and only one Asian pilot in the 6 months I have been working here. Does anyone know some statistics of the diversity of airplane pilots etc…? Thanks a lot everyone

Persian_Pilot · March 17th, 2006, 02:01

Does race have anything to do with it...?

I hope not.

flyboy04 · March 17th, 2006, 02:04

Ive heard the opposite. Airlines love to hire females and minorities. Shouldnt matter period.

Tim · March 17th, 2006, 02:36

Attitude might have something to do with it. He could be frustrated from past experiences.

HorizonCRJ · March 17th, 2006, 03:26

Since I’m Native American Indian and still have a grudge against the white man; I hope they can look past my little character flaw.

Doug Taylor · March 17th, 2006, 03:28

I'm a native San Joaquin Valleyian, I hold grudges against everyone.

caliginousface · March 17th, 2006, 03:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorizonCRJ

Since I’m Native American Indian and still have a grudge against the white ma; I hope they can look past my little character flaw.

are you really native american? i've been wanting to take a native american history course for a while. just thought i'd throw that in there.

HorizonCRJ · March 17th, 2006, 03:40

I’m a half-breed, so I don’t belong in either world : ). I’m from the Confederate Tribes of Siletz in Oregon, born and raised on the rez. My hero’s are Crazy Horse and Chief Joseph; we’ve been fighting terrorism since the 1600’s.

frog_flyer · March 17th, 2006, 03:42

i think its racist for you to sit up there and count african american and asian pilots.

get all yer ratings, build yer time, interview well.

your cfi probably sucks at interviewing

frog_flyer · March 17th, 2006, 03:43

my xgf is half choctaw....

do i get a free jc shirt, doug?

Doug Taylor · March 17th, 2006, 03:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorizonCRJ

we’ve been fighting terrorism since the 1600’s.

06Flyer · March 17th, 2006, 05:19

I guess noboby really takes his post seriously. Everyone is making jokes. But I think its a serious question.

caliginousface · March 17th, 2006, 05:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorizonCRJ

My hero’s are Crazy Horse and Chief Joseph; we’ve been fighting terrorism since the 1600’s.

my heroes are my dad, and native americans.

i want to get this shirt..

Tim · March 17th, 2006, 07:52

I am a educated southerner!!!!!

flyover · March 17th, 2006, 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorizonCRJ

I’m a half-breed, so I don’t belong in either world : ). I’m from the Confederate Tribes of Siletz in Oregon, born and raised on the rez. My hero’s are Crazy Horse and Chief Joseph; we’ve been fighting terrorism since the 1600’s.

Does this mean the solution is Muslim casinos?

John2375 · March 17th, 2006, 08:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim

I am a educated southerner!!!!!

you mean *an* educated southerner!!!??! :-)

Elaine: "I don't know if he's black or asian, so usually we go to a bunch of Spanish restaurants - I figure that should cover us either way!"
Jerry: "Boy you're just a master of race relations!"

adreamer · March 17th, 2006, 09:09

Quote:

Does this mean the solution is Muslim casinos?

more places to gamble?

Well, to me, it is a serious question. I sincerely hope race is not issue at any level. I do not interview well after some interesting interview experiences for CFI position. These experiences range from which flight school I attended to comments about a fellow JCer.

For example, the answer for VFR requirement equipments, my first answer was - altimeter. The owner(former sf340 captain) repsonded that is wrong answer. He complained about the flight school where I got my training from. Of course, I did not get the job. After that interview, I always feel a lot of pressures to prove myself - fly or teach. Therefore, I sincerely hope race is not an issue.

adreamer

jtrain609 · March 17th, 2006, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyover

Does this mean the solution is Muslim casinos?

Now that's F'in funny!

scramjet · March 17th, 2006, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliginousface

my heroes are my dad, and native americans.

i want to get this shirt..

Nice shirt!

Where can I get one?

mtsu_av8er · March 17th, 2006, 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamnd15

Well . . .

Watch out, bud. This is touchy stuff around here!

To some on this board, you're a racist if you notice something that could possibly be racism . . .

jtrain609 · March 17th, 2006, 10:54

I'd say it, but I only think like three people would get the joke.

I gotta call you sometime and catch up Lloyd. Aren't you an astronaut with how many hours you have now?

Diamnd15 · March 17th, 2006, 11:26

I just wanted to see if anyone had any real info for me. I guess not and it’s not like I am keeping track of how many minority pilots I see, its just as I see a lot more than others. I wasn’t raised in a racist kind of fashion, I was taught to treat everyone like I would want to be treated, and I have made a lot of diverse friends because of it. I get a lot slack at work because I don’t really look African American, they either say I look Indian, Fijian, and other things. I guess I hope its not a big deal. Thanks anyway.

tonyw · March 17th, 2006, 11:28

This is one of those things where it's impossible to tell. If someone was a racist, he could reject someone based on his prejudices without having to disclose them.

"I just can't see myself working with this guy. He just creeped me out."

Now, the reason said racist can't see himself working with that guy is because of the color of his skin, and he's creeped out because he doesn't want to share a cockpit with him.

But you'd never be able to tell.

Sucks, but that's reality.

flyover · March 17th, 2006, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by adreamer

more places to gamble?

Well, to me, it is a serious question. I sincerely hope race is not issue at any level. I do not interview well after some interesting interview experiences for CFI position. These experiences range from which flight school I attended to comments about a fellow JCer.

For example, the answer for VFR requirement equipments, my first answer was - altimeter. The owner(former sf340 captain) repsonded that is wrong answer. He complained about the flight school where I got my training from. Of course, I did not get the job. After that interview, I always feel a lot of pressures to prove myself - fly or teach. Therefore, I sincerely hope race is not an issue.

adreamer

I have been watching and mentoring a young man who grew up with my son. He has progressed quickly. But he is a very impressive guy who gives an excellent first impression. He also worked in customer service for a while and really handles himself well.

He joined this organization and has very positive things to say about it. I've known some of the early pioneers who started this organization and they are stellar men.

So check it out.

http://www.obap.org/aboutus/aboutus-links.asp

flyover · March 17th, 2006, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Watch out, bud. This is touchy stuff around here!

To some on this board, you're a racist if you notice something that could possibly be racism . . .

Yes, lots of racists here.

March 17th, 2006, 01:46	#1
Diamnd15 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area, Cali Posts: 312	Does race have anything to do with it...? Well while chatting with my instructor he said that for the several interviews he attended, he (Asian), and the other minorities were the first person not make to the next step of the interview. My instructor to my knowledge is very qualified, he had interviews at scenic, American eagle, pinnacle, and other regional’s. He has his ATP and about 1700 hours TT, and some pic turbine as well but hasn’t landed a job after a lot of interviews, now he’s going to instruct for a flight school that has a contract with Japan airlines. But my question is, I am African American, and being so in the end will it be harder for me to get a regional job just because of it. I work for united and I have only seen a hand full of African American pilots, and only one Asian pilot in the 6 months I have been working here. Does anyone know some statistics of the diversity of airplane pilots etc…? Thanks a lot everyone

March 17th, 2006, 02:01	#2
Persian_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Salt lake city Posts: 287	Does race have anything to do with it...? I hope not. __________________ Cause I aM LeaVinG On A Jet Plane, Don't Know When i'll be Back Again

March 17th, 2006, 02:04	#3
flyboy04 Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 290	Ive heard the opposite. Airlines love to hire females and minorities. Shouldnt matter period. __________________ C-SEL, C-MEL, I/A, CFI. CFII, MEI

March 17th, 2006, 02:36	#4
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	Attitude might have something to do with it. He could be frustrated from past experiences. __________________ Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turn skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return.----- Leonardo Da Vinci

March 17th, 2006, 03:26	#5
HorizonCRJ Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Troutdale, Ore. TTD Posts: 99	Since I’m Native American Indian and still have a grudge against the white man; I hope they can look past my little character flaw. __________________ When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home. Chief Aupumut - Mohican

March 17th, 2006, 03:28	#6
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	I'm a native San Joaquin Valleyian, I hold grudges against everyone. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

March 17th, 2006, 03:40	#8
HorizonCRJ Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Troutdale, Ore. TTD Posts: 99	I’m a half-breed, so I don’t belong in either world : ). I’m from the Confederate Tribes of Siletz in Oregon, born and raised on the rez. My hero’s are Crazy Horse and Chief Joseph; we’ve been fighting terrorism since the 1600’s. __________________ When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home. Chief Aupumut - Mohican

March 17th, 2006, 03:42	#9
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,092	i think its racist for you to sit up there and count african american and asian pilots. get all yer ratings, build yer time, interview well. your cfi probably sucks at interviewing __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor 260TT 25 ME

March 17th, 2006, 03:43	#10
frog_flyer Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FTW Posts: 4,092	my xgf is half choctaw.... do i get a free jc shirt, doug? __________________ "There needs to be more drinking here on JC. We need more ******* partying!" -Doug Taylor 260TT 25 ME

March 17th, 2006, 05:19	#12
06Flyer Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 33	I guess noboby really takes his post seriously. Everyone is making jokes. But I think its a serious question.

March 17th, 2006, 07:52	#14
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	I am a educated southerner!!!!! __________________ Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turn skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return.----- Leonardo Da Vinci

March 17th, 2006, 10:54	#21
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,869	I'd say it, but I only think like three people would get the joke. I gotta call you sometime and catch up Lloyd. Aren't you an astronaut with how many hours you have now? __________________ "Jetlink 2940, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways..."

March 17th, 2006, 11:26	#22
Diamnd15 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area, Cali Posts: 312	I just wanted to see if anyone had any real info for me. I guess not and it’s not like I am keeping track of how many minority pilots I see, its just as I see a lot more than others. I wasn’t raised in a racist kind of fashion, I was taught to treat everyone like I would want to be treated, and I have made a lot of diverse friends because of it. I get a lot slack at work because I don’t really look African American, they either say I look Indian, Fijian, and other things. I guess I hope its not a big deal. Thanks anyway.

March 17th, 2006, 11:28	#23
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,922	This is one of those things where it's impossible to tell. If someone was a racist, he could reject someone based on his prejudices without having to disclose them. "I just can't see myself working with this guy. He just creeped me out." Now, the reason said racist can't see himself working with that guy is because of the color of his skin, and he's creeped out because he doesn't want to share a cockpit with him. But you'd never be able to tell. Sucks, but that's reality. __________________ http://www.photo.net/photos/tonywang for my photos

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