United's Confidential Business Plan Here

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Here's the thing I don't think you get: those airplanes are not going to disapear. They are going to be eaten up by other company's. Then they will need pilots to fly those planes, and they'll probably take those United pilots with the equipment. That means no job for you, and no job for me.

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Call me hard headed but I still believe that us "rookies" will still have a fair shot at the Big Show even with UA pilots on the street.

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Also, don't blame the pilots for managments mistakes. If you believe that pilots always have to go with managment then I imagine you'd say they shouldn't strike, like that Comair strike that happened a little while back when they would not go back to work for nearly 3 months. But don't you want to fly at a regional or a national instead of a major? Those guys certinally were not working with managment, but that strike was nessecary.

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John,please....please don't say that the United pilots did not have a hand in the smoking hole known as United Airlines:2003. I'm not saying that they are totally to blame but come on,they were hand in hand with mangement to create this mess. The CMR pilots had a totally different situation. Would you want to fly a CRJ with a starting pay of 18k with substanderd benifits and retirement pay? Didn't think so. When CMR management would'nt listen to their demands,the pilots walked. I'm not saying that you should be a mangement "yes" man but when your company is teetering on the edge of solvency,full pay until the last day should be your last concern. Your also right John....I want nothing to do with a major airline job (and I don't want to disuade anyone who wants one). If I retire after 25-30 years at Comair,CoEx,Southwest,or JetBlue.....I'll retire a very happy man.

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I wouldn't let your views out during an interview 737_Dude, because it's people like Doug that will interview you for your job, and you can see where he stands.

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John....I'm really not a bad guy. Yeah maybe a little too harsh,but that's because I deal with NYC passengers 5 days a week! I really don't want to see anymore people furloughed but if it's at the expense of my friends at US,CO,F9,B6,FL,and SW....then I'm sorry to say in a really bad british accent) United...you are the weakest link,Good Bye!

[lizardking]

I’m amazed by the number of finger pointing/whining/armchair economist/pilots in these forums and flight students in general. Times aren’t easy. Virtually every industry has been hit by the economic slowdown. There is no purpose in blaming it on politics or MBA’s.

Everyone has a purpose in society. MBA’s shouldn’t tell pilots how to fly planes and pilots, (thank goodness) don’t make economic policy. At least that’s how it’s supposed to work. A few years back there was a groundbreaking development at UA (maybe you heard about it). They became employee owned and managed. Great move huh? They are burning money 11 times faster than their MBA-run counterparts.

If United goes down, there will be a glut of highly qualified, newly humbled pilots in the market. This will mean more competition for jobs & lower compensation overall. End of story.

You don’t need an MBA understand basic economics. One of the cardinal rules is to keep politics out of economic policy (hence the Fed, Greenspan & Co.). Markets determine economic performance, not presidential economic agendas. I have no idea what “safety net” has been swiped from the middle-lower class. Consumerism does play a large part in our economy, but contrary to Aloft’s statement, retail spending will not pull us out of our slump. THE DRIVE OF OUR GDP IS CAPITAL SPENDING. Many of our largest companies are sitting on piles of cash and options for cheap money. They are WAITING for a sign of stability, not for Joe-Blow to use his “safety net” or whatever to buy a burger and a toy. This stability cannot be reached until Saddam and the MF Terrorists are destroyed.

I am not a Republican or a Bush lover, but he does understand his role in the economy. Which is to provide stability/protection. As soon as we get the geopolitical situations stabilized our economy will turn around. I really believe that. It’s too bad we have to fight wars, but if we don’t stand up to these threats they will consume us.

I apologize for getting too preachy. But there is too much wishful thinking and scapegoating going on here. Aviation is tough, deal with it, or move on. And just because MBA’s usually don’t speak intelligently about the aviation profession doesn’t mean pilots have act the same way.

[av8sean]

Even if UAL goes under, most of their pilots won't be competing for regional jobs. Southwest and Jetblue perhaps. Most UAL pilots will make more off of the money market interest from their portfolios and unemployment then at a regional airline.

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I'm amazed by the number of finger pointing/whining/armchair economist/pilots in these forums and flight students in general.

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A few years back there was a groundbreaking development at UA (maybe you heard about it). They became employee owned and managed. Great move huh? They are burning money 11 times faster than their MBA-run counterparts.
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You don't need an MBA understand basic economics. One of the cardinal rules is to keep politics out of economic policy (hence the Fed, Greenspan & Co.). Markets determine economic performance, not presidential economic agendas.

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