DC8 Video, funny in a way, sad in a way.... - Page 2

bob loblaw · February 11th, 2006, 10:47

One rule nobody mentioned is that when a pilot leaves the cockpit, the remaining crewmember must wear the oxygen mask. I believe I have this rule correct. You can see the F/O is not wearing the mask when the Captain returns to the cockpit from showing you the potty.

Nick · February 11th, 2006, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob loblaw

One rule nobody mentioned is that when a pilot leaves the cockpit, the remaining crewmember must wear the oxygen mask. I believe I have this rule correct. You can see the F/O is not wearing the mask when the Captain returns to the cockpit from showing you the potty.

I am not sure of the wording or the specifics of the rule but for a three-pilot cockpit it's not the same. I've jumpseated on a few DC-10 and 747-200F flights where nobody donned the mask the entire flight with various pilots up and walking around.

DE727UPS or Doug or whoever else can clarify this though.

Doug Taylor · February 11th, 2006, 10:50

Only if you're above FL250. I think the FAA is chaning the rule to a higher altitude.

I don't remember if that rule applies to a three-crewmember cockpit or not. I haven't plumbed on the 727 for almost seven years. Damn I'm getting old!

pullup · February 11th, 2006, 10:57

That was hilarious. Does anyone else feel a resemblence to the wise-cracking pilot from MacGyver??

flyover · February 11th, 2006, 11:28

Fun and pretty innocuous stuff. More like the "good old days". Gear down at 1000' get those last flaps in, banking towards the runway, just one "sink rate" warning. Pretty good call-out discipline.

But not for public consumption. I wouldn't think any company would be comfortable having that out there, with the friggin' N number displayed!

Love the 8.

CaptainMatt · February 11th, 2006, 11:47

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Explain?

I didn't feel that this guy was funny at all. The humor he uses is lame. There were some comments that made me believe this guy is a jackass. He kept repeating himself while acting like someone with major issues. I understand this might be part of his act, and if so it doesn't surprise me that he is only "semi popular" on the internet.

That's why I made that opinion.

Mr_Creepy · February 11th, 2006, 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

I am not sure of the wording or the specifics of the rule but for a three-pilot cockpit it's not the same. I've jumpseated on a few DC-10 and 747-200F flights where nobody donned the mask the entire flight with various pilots up and walking around.

DE727UPS or Doug or whoever else can clarify this though.

It applies when one pilot is left in the cockpit.

FlyingNole · February 11th, 2006, 12:09

Is it me, or does this guy remind you of a stoner? lol

CaptainMatt · February 11th, 2006, 12:48

His teeth look nasty too... Not sure if thats the camera though.

SierraPilot123 · February 11th, 2006, 12:58

Wow that was quite interesting to watch. I had no idea that pilots fooled around that much up at cruise. But I think that guy would drive me crazy if I had to spend several hours in the cockpit with him. Hopefully he is not always like that off camera.

"welcome to my jeeeett."
"Had some pretty good dam foooood though"
"Annnyway there is not a lot of footage of me driving around my jet"

DE727UPS · February 11th, 2006, 13:42

"Wow that was quite interesting to watch. I had no idea that pilots fooled around that much up at cruise"

Only speaking from my experience, we don't.

"But I think that guy would drive me crazy if I had to spend several hours in the cockpit with him"

You can almost see it in the F/E's eyes that he doesn't think this video camera thing is a very good idea.

Van_Hoolio · February 11th, 2006, 14:06

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Soon Scott was working as a Flight Instructor, then a Commuter Pilot and then made it to the top of his field being a Captain on a DC8 Jet flying worldwide for a large cargo company. Then one day the in the madness of Corporate America, the company laid off all the workers and Scott needed to find his life again.

Quote:

I would like to continue to create. Perhaps a project on "Disabled Life" or "People with Spinal Cord Injuries". I would also like to have a show where I Interview MY favorite Rock Stars with Special Features for MTV or VH1. And I have a concept to do an undercover story about "Freight Dogs", The behind the scene life of Cargo Pilots and show the Public the Abuse of This Industry.

Can't be that bad of a guy. At least he didn't PFJ!

Mike

Citationkid · February 11th, 2006, 14:24

Incase you don't understand the second quote above.

Quote:

.....after high school at the age of 18 Scott's life changed forever when he sustained a Spinal Cord Injury from a motorcycle accident at a concert. He was told that he would never walk again. Scott defied all odds and began to walk with the aid of crutches and two leg braces.....

seagull · February 11th, 2006, 15:41

I'm not sure that the one "sink rate" call is that big of a deal. He exceeded 1000'/min just long enough to get the chirp. Not ideal, but not the end of the world either. The footage isn't good enough to tell more than that. They were clearly playing for the camera, so couldn't say that it would be like that other times.

The DC8 is pretty heavy, I have seen people do the two handed flare thing, although I never did myself.

I'm more curious about the UPS rule of "no cameras". I have spent a lot of time around your company, jumpseating and many friends there, and thought I'd heard about all the stories and quirks, but that's a new one on me!

I have been onboard a few of your flights where various "antics" occurred, as happens at every other carrier, so I wouldn't be too quick to say that something like this would never happen at your airline (and that applies to ANY airline!).

DE727UPS · February 11th, 2006, 16:36

The company has a "no cameras, no recorders" rule on property. Most guys could care less and do it anyways. Recorders to protect the innocent at the hearing. Cameras come out at various times. But, the company would FRY a crew that made a video like this one.

Now, that being said, guys have posted some great pics at our union website of various sorts of things that were obviously taken on property. Those guys have no problem having their names associated with those pics. So, I'll say, it's just one of those company policies that must be hard to enforce and most guys could care less.

On a side note, we also have a no alcohol on property rule. Do you guys have that? Can't even bring a bottle of vodka back from Warsaw in your bag...

Captain_Bob · February 11th, 2006, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by SierraPilot123

Wow that was quite interesting to watch. I had no idea that pilots fooled around that much up at cruise. But I think that guy would drive me crazy if I had to spend several hours in the cockpit with him. Hopefully he is not always like that off camera.

"welcome to my jeeeett."
"Had some pretty good dam foooood though"
"Annnyway there is not a lot of footage of me driving around my jet"

I don't think he's a real pilot... I'm thinking he was only wearing the shirt and pretending to be one. He's some sort of a comedian... Check out his link http://www.caneman.tv/ on the video page.

He's kind of a "Jack*ss-esque/Howard Stern" type of guy. I'm thinking it was just a skit for this video... There is an awful lot of instructing going on when they are coming in to land too.

Maybe I'm wrong...

http://www.caneman.tv/vidoe6.htm Russian Sub... and he's wearing the same gloves.

http://www.caneman.tv/vidoe4.htm PS: Don't vote for Nobody...

Bob

Captain_Bob · February 11th, 2006, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

On a side note, we also have a no alcohol on property rule. Do you guys have that? Can't even bring a bottle of vodka back from Warsaw in your bag...

Nope... LOTS of pilots at XJT shop at Duty Free for obvious reasons, as well as some very special places in Mexico...

Bob

jtrain609 · February 11th, 2006, 17:01

If he's just a comedian and doesn't work for Arrow, then why'd he say "330 for 320" during the video when a bell rang?

Bigey · February 11th, 2006, 17:05

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

If he's just a comedian and doesn't work for Arrow, then why'd he say "330 for 320" during the video when a bell rang?

Agreed

And the voice sounds the same from cruise and landing.

jtrain609 · February 11th, 2006, 17:06

I take it back.

"32 for 33 thousand to go"

Nick · February 11th, 2006, 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

He's not a pilot... He was only wearing the shirt and pretending to be one. He's some sort of a comedian... Check out his link http://www.caneman.tv/ on the video page.

He's kind of a "Jack*ss-esque/Howard Stern" type of guy. If you look at the landing close enough there are 4 people in the cockpit. This Caneman dude is filming from the jumpseat, there is a real captain flying the FO and the FE. It was just a skit for this video...

Just FYI Guys...

Bob

While it is true what you said about him being a comedian, it looks to me that he is actually also a DC-8 pilot.

On this page:
http://www.caneman.tv/intropage.htm

he writes:

WHATS NEXT ?

I would like to continue to create. Perhaps a project on "Disabled Life" or "People with Spinal Cord Injuries". I would also like to have a show where I Interview MY favorite Rock Stars with Special Features for MTV or VH1. And I have a concept to do an undercover story about "Freight Dogs", The behind the scene life of Cargo Pilots and show the Public the Abuse of This Industry.

...

Sincerely,

Scott

I believe his intentions are good. While it is argueable that his videoing in the cockpit is not a good idea, he is apparently interested in showing the public the not-so-glamorous side of professional flying, specifically a small freight company flying very old airplanes to South America.

We also don't know his company's rules regarding these types of things, and so I guess he's just doing it at his own risk. He's already on the internet, and putting a video online is certainly something he knows will be viewed.

seagull · February 11th, 2006, 17:13

No, we can buy alcohol and bring it back. We obviously are not allowed to consume alchohol on duty or 8 hours prior to duty.

Captain_Bob · February 11th, 2006, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

Maybe I'm wrong...

Yep... I am.

My bad... after taking a look further into his website... I found this.

http://www.caneman.tv/intropage.htm

He is a pilot...

Bob

Captain_Bob · February 11th, 2006, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott a.k.a. "Captain Caneman"

And I have a concept to do an undercover story about "Freight Dogs", The behind the scene life of Cargo Pilots and show the Public the Abuse of This Industry.

Hmmmm.....

Van_Hoolio · February 11th, 2006, 17:37

Yea, look up his name. He's typed in the DC-8, E-110 and something else I can't remember. ATP, FE & Flight instructor certificates. I really hope he doesn't mix his humor and his flying too much.

Mike

February 11th, 2006, 10:57	#29
pullup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Peeking in your window Posts: 1,188	That was hilarious. Does anyone else feel a resemblence to the wise-cracking pilot from MacGyver?? __________________ FOR SALE: ONE SET OF BALLS, NEVER USED!!!!! PM ME FOR DETAILS

February 11th, 2006, 11:28	#30
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Fun and pretty innocuous stuff. More like the "good old days". Gear down at 1000' get those last flaps in, banking towards the runway, just one "sink rate" warning. Pretty good call-out discipline. But not for public consumption. I wouldn't think any company would be comfortable having that out there, with the friggin' N number displayed! Love the 8. __________________ Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. — Henry Ford

February 11th, 2006, 12:09	#33
FlyingNole Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 2,090	Is it me, or does this guy remind you of a stoner? lol __________________ Don't call her a babe, ok? She is a Chechnyan prostitute, and you will address her as such! -ATHF

February 11th, 2006, 12:48	#34
CaptainMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Space Shuttle Posts: 620	His teeth look nasty too... Not sure if thats the camera though. __________________ Living the Rocket Life

February 11th, 2006, 17:01	#43
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,336	If he's just a comedian and doesn't work for Arrow, then why'd he say "330 for 320" during the video when a bell rang? __________________

February 11th, 2006, 10:47	#26
bob loblaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 630	One rule nobody mentioned is that when a pilot leaves the cockpit, the remaining crewmember must wear the oxygen mask. I believe I have this rule correct. You can see the F/O is not wearing the mask when the Captain returns to the cockpit from showing you the potty.

February 11th, 2006, 10:50	#28
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,186 Blog Entries: 1	Only if you're above FL250. I think the FAA is chaning the rule to a higher altitude. I don't remember if that rule applies to a three-crewmember cockpit or not. I haven't plumbed on the 727 for almost seven years. Damn I'm getting old!

February 11th, 2006, 12:58	#35
SierraPilot123 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 386	Wow that was quite interesting to watch. I had no idea that pilots fooled around that much up at cruise. But I think that guy would drive me crazy if I had to spend several hours in the cockpit with him. Hopefully he is not always like that off camera. "welcome to my jeeeett." "Had some pretty good dam foooood though" "Annnyway there is not a lot of footage of me driving around my jet"

February 11th, 2006, 13:42	#36
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,546	"Wow that was quite interesting to watch. I had no idea that pilots fooled around that much up at cruise" Only speaking from my experience, we don't. "But I think that guy would drive me crazy if I had to spend several hours in the cockpit with him" You can almost see it in the F/E's eyes that he doesn't think this video camera thing is a very good idea.

February 11th, 2006, 15:41	#39
seagull Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,045	I'm not sure that the one "sink rate" call is that big of a deal. He exceeded 1000'/min just long enough to get the chirp. Not ideal, but not the end of the world either. The footage isn't good enough to tell more than that. They were clearly playing for the camera, so couldn't say that it would be like that other times. The DC8 is pretty heavy, I have seen people do the two handed flare thing, although I never did myself. I'm more curious about the UPS rule of "no cameras". I have spent a lot of time around your company, jumpseating and many friends there, and thought I'd heard about all the stories and quirks, but that's a new one on me! I have been onboard a few of your flights where various "antics" occurred, as happens at every other carrier, so I wouldn't be too quick to say that something like this would never happen at your airline (and that applies to ANY airline!).

February 11th, 2006, 16:36	#40
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,546	The company has a "no cameras, no recorders" rule on property. Most guys could care less and do it anyways. Recorders to protect the innocent at the hearing. Cameras come out at various times. But, the company would FRY a crew that made a video like this one. Now, that being said, guys have posted some great pics at our union website of various sorts of things that were obviously taken on property. Those guys have no problem having their names associated with those pics. So, I'll say, it's just one of those company policies that must be hard to enforce and most guys could care less. On a side note, we also have a no alcohol on property rule. Do you guys have that? Can't even bring a bottle of vodka back from Warsaw in your bag...

February 11th, 2006, 17:06	#45
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,336	I take it back. "32 for 33 thousand to go" __________________

February 11th, 2006, 17:13	#47
seagull Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,045	No, we can buy alcohol and bring it back. We obviously are not allowed to consume alchohol on duty or 8 hours prior to duty.

February 11th, 2006, 17:37	#50
Van_Hoolio Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Des Moines, Iowa (based in IAH) Posts: 1,077	Yea, look up his name. He's typed in the DC-8, E-110 and something else I can't remember. ATP, FE & Flight instructor certificates. I really hope he doesn't mix his humor and his flying too much. Mike

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