Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks

n77j · February 14th, 2003, 16:43

news@airwise-

Pilots at Delta Air Lines, the third largest of the US carriers, have refused to start talks about making changes to their contract.

The Atlanta-based airline is looking for ways to cut its costs and is eyeing wage concessions from the cockpit crews.

However, their union, the Airline Pilots Association, made it clear its members are not ready to open discussions. "Management has requested a meeting with union leaders to discuss possible modifications to the pilots' working agreement. We have advised management that a meeting for this purpose is not appropriate at this time, " said Captain William C. Buerget, of ALPA.

"Our pilot working agreement is not amendable until 2005. Management cannot initiate discussions for early modifications without making a specific proposal with detailed justifications. If management makes such a request, the Delta MEC will analyze the request and decide whether to engage in negotiations, and if so, on what basis," he said.

The bleak financial climate in the US airline industry has seen a round of cost cutting calls from major carriers whose pilots are among the highest paid labor groups.

US Airways and United, both operating under bankruptcy protection, have won agreements on wage cuts and American Airlines and Northwest Airlines are now asking for concessions.

I think pretty much every airline is cutting pilot wages--Watch out Doug

Doug Taylor · February 14th, 2003, 16:57

Fat chance.

A contract is a contract, especially after multi-million dollar corporate bonuses last quarter.

Besides, the only carrier who cut pay, did so temporarily with a 'snap back' provision.

In addition, I could work for free and it'll change the price of a ticket, oh, probably $2.

TWA, who was in dire straits for years, cut employee pay and still went tango uniform.

Personally, I'm not planning on taking a hit because of poor management decisions and I think my union said it best.

panampilot · February 14th, 2003, 17:16

I guess it's times like these when you are thankful for a union who covers your butt eh?

n77j · February 14th, 2003, 17:36

i tell ya Doug those management people and their bonuses....United handing $6 million bonus to thier new CEO-Delta trying to get pay cut from pilots and so forth-what kind of idiots are running the airline business these days?

blee256 · February 15th, 2003, 00:05

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TWA, who was in dire straits for years, cut employee pay and still went tango uniform.

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Whats it mean to go "tango uniform"?

Also, with the whole industry being in the sad state its in, I hear people saying how it was similar to the early 90's. I even think someone (possibly doug taylor) said it was worse in the early 90's. So I was wondering what airlines went bankrupt during that period?

-Brian

I_Money · February 15th, 2003, 00:15

Tango Uniform, means TI or Tits Up (^) (^)

If I am not mistaken, Pan Am, Eastern and Braniff all went bust lat 80's ear;y 90's.

Doug Taylor · February 15th, 2003, 07:42

Yup, they're still taking bonuses at 30 to 60% of their base salary for revenue enhancements.

I've got the memo but I'm too lazy to find and post it.

Pilot877 · February 15th, 2003, 18:55

GO DELTA PILOTS!!!

Somebody has to take a stand. UAL pilots did what they had to, but that is an entirely different situation.

Pilot877 · February 15th, 2003, 18:56

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I guess it's times like these when you are thankful for a union who covers your butt eh?

[/ QUOTE ]

You got that one right, for sure!

February 14th, 2003, 16:43	#1
n77j Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: haytown,california Posts: 267	Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks news@airwise- Pilots at Delta Air Lines, the third largest of the US carriers, have refused to start talks about making changes to their contract. The Atlanta-based airline is looking for ways to cut its costs and is eyeing wage concessions from the cockpit crews. However, their union, the Airline Pilots Association, made it clear its members are not ready to open discussions. "Management has requested a meeting with union leaders to discuss possible modifications to the pilots' working agreement. We have advised management that a meeting for this purpose is not appropriate at this time, " said Captain William C. Buerget, of ALPA. "Our pilot working agreement is not amendable until 2005. Management cannot initiate discussions for early modifications without making a specific proposal with detailed justifications. If management makes such a request, the Delta MEC will analyze the request and decide whether to engage in negotiations, and if so, on what basis," he said. The bleak financial climate in the US airline industry has seen a round of cost cutting calls from major carriers whose pilots are among the highest paid labor groups. US Airways and United, both operating under bankruptcy protection, have won agreements on wage cuts and American Airlines and Northwest Airlines are now asking for concessions. I think pretty much every airline is cutting pilot wages--Watch out Doug

February 14th, 2003, 16:57	#2
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,931 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks Fat chance. A contract is a contract, especially after multi-million dollar corporate bonuses last quarter. Besides, the only carrier who cut pay, did so temporarily with a 'snap back' provision. In addition, I could work for free and it'll change the price of a ticket, oh, probably $2. TWA, who was in dire straits for years, cut employee pay and still went tango uniform. Personally, I'm not planning on taking a hit because of poor management decisions and I think my union said it best.

February 14th, 2003, 17:16	#3
panampilot Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 148	Re: Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks I guess it's times like these when you are thankful for a union who covers your butt eh?

February 14th, 2003, 17:36	#4
n77j Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: haytown,california Posts: 267	Re: Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks i tell ya Doug those management people and their bonuses....United handing $6 million bonus to thier new CEO-Delta trying to get pay cut from pilots and so forth-what kind of idiots are running the airline business these days?

February 15th, 2003, 00:05	#5
blee256 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lower canada Posts: 1,609	Re: Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks [ QUOTE ] TWA, who was in dire straits for years, cut employee pay and still went tango uniform. [/ QUOTE ] Whats it mean to go "tango uniform"? Also, with the whole industry being in the sad state its in, I hear people saying how it was similar to the early 90's. I even think someone (possibly doug taylor) said it was worse in the early 90's. So I was wondering what airlines went bankrupt during that period? -Brian

February 15th, 2003, 00:15	#6
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,649	Re: Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks Tango Uniform, means TI or Tits Up (^) (^) If I am not mistaken, Pan Am, Eastern and Braniff all went bust lat 80's ear;y 90's.

February 15th, 2003, 07:42	#7
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,931 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks Yup, they're still taking bonuses at 30 to 60% of their base salary for revenue enhancements. I've got the memo but I'm too lazy to find and post it.

February 15th, 2003, 18:55	#8
Pilot877 Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Occupied South Posts: 87	Re: Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks GO DELTA PILOTS!!! Somebody has to take a stand. UAL pilots did what they had to, but that is an entirely different situation.

February 15th, 2003, 18:56	#9
Pilot877 Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Occupied South Posts: 87	Re: Delta Pilots Reject Contract Talks [ QUOTE ] I guess it's times like these when you are thankful for a union who covers your butt eh? [/ QUOTE ] You got that one right, for sure!

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