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Persian_Pilot · February 4th, 2006, 22:23

Thanks All for you opinions

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PhotoPilot · February 4th, 2006, 22:41

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Originally Posted by Persian_Pilot

Thanks All for you opinions

you guys are THE BEST

Just remember, of all the opinions, only mine is right. Everyone else is a hack.

TXaviator · February 6th, 2006, 17:59

hrm, i dunno about all this 'look at the far end of the runway' stuff.... i find that when im down to about 10 feet or so, if i totally look at the far end of the runway, then i have a *harder* time judging how high i am than if i look at some intermediate type of distance, where i can still make out detail on the runway surface, etc etc... different strokes for different folks i guess.... youll find the *feeling* and *look* that works best for you with practice i am sure.

alphaone · February 7th, 2006, 02:20

It is, without a doubt, pitch for airspeed power for altitude......

jonnyb · February 7th, 2006, 02:30

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jrh · February 7th, 2006, 05:33

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Originally Posted by alphaone

It is, without a doubt, pitch for airspeed power for altitude......

I can give you the names and numbers of two examiners (both of which have been flying since before either of us was born) who will chew your ear off for saying that on a checkride. Wanna discuss it with them?

rickyrhodesii · February 7th, 2006, 07:55

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Originally Posted by jrh

I can give you the names and numbers of two examiners (both of which have been flying since before either of us was born) who will chew your ear off for saying that on a checkride. Wanna discuss it with them?

Really...what method do they prefer? Maybe we were all taught wrong?!?

MidlifeFlyer · February 7th, 2006, 08:13

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Originally Posted by rickyrhodesii

Really...what method do they prefer? Maybe we were all taught wrong?!?

Oh let's not start this again! Pitch/power. Power/pitch. Both are necessary when both are variable. Try being low and slow on final and change one without changing the other and you're likely to have a problem.

Teaching one as predominating over another is just that - a =teaching= technique to get the new pilot from the 2D world of driving to the 3D world of flying.

WAFlyBoy · February 7th, 2006, 10:03

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Originally Posted by jrh

I can give you the names and numbers of two examiners (both of which have been flying since before either of us was born) who will chew your ear off for saying that on a checkride. Wanna discuss it with them?

I think most pilots (private and up) understand that "pitch for airspeed, power of altitude" is a bit oversimplified. Obviously the two concepts are intertwined, and there are times when it is impractical or unsafe to change one without changing the other.

None the less, I have found this "oversimplied" concept to be an excellent tool for teaching new private pilots the basics of aircraft control. I have found that once this is understood and mastered, students are quickly able to draw meaning conclusions about the relationships between aircraft pitch, power, and configuration.

It's easy for a highly experienced pilot to (such as a DE) to disqualify such a simple little teaching tool. I am curious to know what more effective method they might recommend for teaching the basics of the pitch/power relationship.

rickyrhodesii · February 7th, 2006, 10:51

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Originally Posted by MidlifeFlyer

Oh let's not start this again!

Sorry, I was trying to start an argument over technique, i was just a little curious! i wasn't aware it was discussed already...i'll have to try out the search function!

jrh · February 7th, 2006, 11:35

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Originally Posted by rickyrhodesii

Sorry, I was trying to start an argument over technique, i was just a little curious! i wasn't aware it was discussed already...i'll have to try out the search function!

Here's the thread where I go deep into why I think "Pitch for altitude, power for airspeed" makes more sense, but in the end, either way ought to get the same job done:

http://forums.jetcareers.com/technical-talk/22107-pitch-for-a-s-power-for-altitude-vice-versa.html

hattrick · February 7th, 2006, 18:48

im surprised that this has not been mentioned before, but the use of trim to keep you on a stabalized approach will do wonders for maintaining airspeed. remember your trimming the airplane for an airspeed therefore if you are trimmed for 63kts (like said get it close dont worry right now with exact) the airplane will seek to hold that airspeed itself or with very little help from you. it is quite possible to fly an airplane down the glide path at approach speed and land without ever touching the yoke, simply using trim. so to sum it all up the little trim wheel is there for a reason so use it as much as you can. im not saying to fly with the trim but dont fly an airplane thats not properly trimmed

Persian_Pilot · February 7th, 2006, 21:00

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Originally Posted by hattrick

im surprised that this has not been mentioned before, but the use of trim to keep you on a stabalized approach will do wonders for maintaining airspeed. remember your trimming the airplane for an airspeed therefore if you are trimmed for 63kts (like said get it close dont worry right now with exact) the airplane will seek to hold that airspeed itself or with very little help from you. it is quite possible to fly an airplane down the glide path at approach speed and land without ever touching the yoke, simply using trim. so to sum it all up the little trim wheel is there for a reason so use it as much as you can. im not saying to fly with the trim but dont fly an airplane thats not properly trimmed

hmm well the funny thing is that my CFI doesn't want me to use trim at all on APPR

kinda sad huh ?

aschwimmer · February 7th, 2006, 21:50

Persian_Pilot SLCC trains in the Alarus CH2000 correct? If so, I have about 500 hours in one and can give you a few tips if you like. IM me or e-mail me and I will be happy to help.

jrh · February 7th, 2006, 21:59

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Originally Posted by Persian_Pilot

hmm well the funny thing is that my CFI doesn't want me to use trim at all on APPR

kinda sad huh ?

You might want to ask your CFI to clarify this. There must be some misunderstanding somewhere. I can't imagine a CFI telling somebody to fly a plane out of trim.

Maybe your CFI means you shouldn't be fiddling with the trim, adjusting it up and down, all the way down final?

Persian_Pilot · February 7th, 2006, 22:12

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Originally Posted by jrh

You might want to ask your CFI to clarify this. There must be some misunderstanding somewhere. I can't imagine a CFI telling somebody to fly a plane out of trim.

Maybe your CFI means you shouldn't be fiddling with the trim, adjusting it up and down, all the way down final?

Well, He DID say that he doesn't want me to be fiddling with the trim but i can't recall a time that he said anything about the trim while we were landing,.

Persian_Pilot · February 7th, 2006, 22:13

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Originally Posted by aschwimmer

Persian_Pilot SLCC trains in the Alarus CH2000 correct? If so, I have about 500 hours in one and can give you a few tips if you like. IM me or e-mail me and I will be happy to help.

Thanks bro

Chris_Ford · February 7th, 2006, 22:20

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Originally Posted by jrh

You might want to ask your CFI to clarify this. There must be some misunderstanding somewhere. I can't imagine a CFI telling somebody to fly a plane out of trim.

Maybe your CFI means you shouldn't be fiddling with the trim, adjusting it up and down, all the way down final?

He might not want you trimming for 63 knots so then if you go around you don't get the trim surprise!

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February 6th, 2006, 17:59	#28
TXaviator Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a backpack. Posts: 2,338	hrm, i dunno about all this 'look at the far end of the runway' stuff.... i find that when im down to about 10 feet or so, if i totally look at the far end of the runway, then i have a harder time judging how high i am than if i look at some intermediate type of distance, where i can still make out detail on the runway surface, etc etc... different strokes for different folks i guess.... youll find the feeling and look that works best for you with practice i am sure.

February 7th, 2006, 18:48	#37
hattrick Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: farther north than the rest of you Posts: 313	im surprised that this has not been mentioned before, but the use of trim to keep you on a stabalized approach will do wonders for maintaining airspeed. remember your trimming the airplane for an airspeed therefore if you are trimmed for 63kts (like said get it close dont worry right now with exact) the airplane will seek to hold that airspeed itself or with very little help from you. it is quite possible to fly an airplane down the glide path at approach speed and land without ever touching the yoke, simply using trim. so to sum it all up the little trim wheel is there for a reason so use it as much as you can. im not saying to fly with the trim but dont fly an airplane thats not properly trimmed