World Airways seeks SCAB labor from FedEx - Page 2

mpenguin1 · February 1st, 2006, 14:21

I know some pilots that do ferry work on the side for various aircraft, so, there should not be any reason for World to take such extreme action to use FEDEX retired pilots to ferry MD11 aircraft.

Bigey · February 1st, 2006, 15:51

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Originally Posted by mpenguin1

I know some pilots that do ferry work on the side for various aircraft, so, there should not be any reason for World to take such extreme action to use FEDEX retired pilots to ferry MD11 aircraft.

So then does that work under different rules? I want to say Part 91?

mpenguin1 · February 1st, 2006, 15:55

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Originally Posted by Bigey

So then does that work under different rules? I want to say Part 91?

Yep, Part 91 flight, no passengers/no revenue cargo.....

Bigey · February 1st, 2006, 15:57

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Originally Posted by mpenguin1

Yep, Part 91 flight, no passengers/no revenue cargo.....

Ahh woohoo! Got it right!

So since part 91 - Age 60 rule doesnt apply then - yes?

jtrain609 · February 1st, 2006, 16:02

Moving an aircraft with no cargo on board is not considered scabbing, right?

Bigey · February 1st, 2006, 16:08

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

Moving an aircraft with no cargo on board is not considered scabbing, right?

I think it is. Your moving the aircraft for a company for their benefit, while their own pilots should do it, no?

jtrain609 · February 1st, 2006, 16:13

I don't think so, it's not for any profit and the company will lose money on the deal.

Bigey · February 1st, 2006, 16:17

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

I don't think so, it's not for any profit and the company will lose money on the deal.

But their own pilots should be doing the job. I think when they're striking no one should help their company fly their aircraft, no?

jtrain609 · February 1st, 2006, 16:20

You realize that what you just typed, right?

THE PILOTS ARE ON STRIKE. They're not flying anything anywhere.

mpenguin1 · February 1st, 2006, 16:28

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

Moving an aircraft with no cargo on board is not considered scabbing, right?

Woa! That was not part of the discussion, nobody here was condoning that action.....

mtsu_av8er · February 1st, 2006, 16:37

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

Moving an aircraft with no cargo on board is not considered scabbing, right?

Actually, I'm pretty sure that it is!

Mr_Creepy · February 1st, 2006, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Tim

The info about the 90% was in the press release as well as told to us by the CEO. No details of how it would work was given. Again just going by what was told to us also about the 747's.

I assume that was a press release from the management

Mr_Creepy · February 1st, 2006, 16:43

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

Moving an aircraft with no cargo on board is not considered scabbing, right?

It is absolutely considered scabbing!

There are Comair instructors that moved CRJs during the strike that are now on a scab list.

Doug Taylor · February 1st, 2006, 16:43

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Originally Posted by ROFCIBC

PS Wonder if Harry Alger, or Richard "Dick Cheese" Colby, or any of the other "Perfumed Princes" were qualified in the MD-11?

I'll dig around "the underground" and see what pops up!

Mr_Creepy · February 1st, 2006, 16:44

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

You realize that what you just typed, right?

THE PILOTS ARE ON STRIKE. They're not flying anything anywhere.

Well here is a difference with World. A high percentage of their work is for the military, which is considered "unstrikeable" - so the pilots are still working. BUT they are only doing those military flights. They are NOT relocating aircraft, before anyone asks

Minnesota_Flyer · February 1st, 2006, 16:57

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Originally Posted by Mr_Creepy

It is absolutely considered scabbing!

There are Comair instructors that moved CRJs during the strike that are now on a scab list.

:yeah that: As a general matter, if the work would be done by a bargaining unit member in the absence of a strike, performing that work during a strike is scabbing.

DON'T SCAB!

Tim · February 1st, 2006, 16:59

Yes John that is what was also released to the public media......one word against another..

Chris_Ford · February 1st, 2006, 17:05

It's good to see the union actually stepping up to the plate.

I hope they get what they want + 10% so management will know not to mess with the union.

OldTownPilot · February 1st, 2006, 18:05

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Originally Posted by Mr_Creepy

Well here is a difference with World. A high percentage of their work is for the military, which is considered "unstrikeable" - so the pilots are still working. BUT they are only doing those military flights. They are NOT relocating aircraft, before anyone asks

Working at BGR (major stopping point for World, Omni, Miami air et.al.), I saw a World aircraft come through yesterday morning and then saw this and was saying to myself "bad pilots". I guess since the military work is "unstrikeable" I won't shun the pilots into sitting in 13B (non reclining seat next to the #####ter) when they deadhead on us.

TonyC · February 2nd, 2006, 00:59

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

Moving an aircraft with no cargo on board is not considered scabbing, right?

WRONG

One would have to cross a picket line to touch those airplanes, and that would make him/her a SCAB.

To address another point raised... World Airways pilots are bound by their contract to continue flying the military contracts while they are on strike. Operating those flights is not considered scabbing.

.

ROFCIBC · February 2nd, 2006, 11:19

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

Moving an aircraft with no cargo on board is not considered scabbing, right?

The discussion was as to the applicability of the age 60 rule. Not the issue of scabbing, which IMHO it would be. But then I, along with the other Delta pilot retirees were banned from the DALPA and ALPA forums just because we were retired. Nice way to treat those who contributed so much for so long! So what do I know about union matters any more?

jtrain609 · February 2nd, 2006, 12:01

My mistake, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I thought (obviously incorrectly) that if the aircraft is being operated Part 91 for a loss it wouldn't be considered scabbing. Learn something every day.

ROFCIBC · February 2nd, 2006, 12:10

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Originally Posted by John Herreshoff

My mistake, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I thought (obviously incorrectly) that if the aircraft is being operated Part 91 for a loss it wouldn't be considered scabbing. Learn something every day.

No problem...the easiest way to determine IMHO if it's scabbing is whether or not you cross a picket line, real or imaginary, to do the work.

Mr_Creepy · February 2nd, 2006, 13:27

ROFCIBC will you be at Daytona?

TrinidadGT20 · February 2nd, 2006, 16:16

Now don't flame me for asking a question..

How is it that the unions find out who the scabs are? It seems to me that if World wanted to move one of their MD11's from point A to point B and they hired say, an ex Md-11 pilot from Fed-Ex, World would be under no obligation to divulge the name of the individual who moved that plane.

Again, I don't condone this, I'm just wondering how this works...

February 1st, 2006, 16:02	#30
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jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,321	I don't think so, it's not for any profit and the company will lose money on the deal. __________________

February 1st, 2006, 16:20	#34
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February 2nd, 2006, 12:01	#47
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,321	My mistake, I'm not trying to incite a riot. I thought (obviously incorrectly) that if the aircraft is being operated Part 91 for a loss it wouldn't be considered scabbing. Learn something every day. __________________

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Chris_Ford Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,329	It's good to see the union actually stepping up to the plate. I hope they get what they want + 10% so management will know not to mess with the union.

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February 2nd, 2006, 16:16	#50
TrinidadGT20 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,516	Now don't flame me for asking a question.. How is it that the unions find out who the scabs are? It seems to me that if World wanted to move one of their MD11's from point A to point B and they hired say, an ex Md-11 pilot from Fed-Ex, World would be under no obligation to divulge the name of the individual who moved that plane. Again, I don't condone this, I'm just wondering how this works... __________________ Shameless plug of my a.net photo There are three kinds of people in this world: Those who can count....and those who can't.

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