A doomed 007

[tonyw]

It's on the History Channel right now.

God, it would have sucked to have been on that plane.

[Buckeye757]

I saw that earlier. It really must have sucked. But of all air disasters, I think what those poor people on flight 800 went through is the worst.

[Theotokos]

A lot of unanswered questions for sure. I mean why not contact the plane and make sure it is not civilian? I hate communism and find this atrocious, however, I can somewhat see the reasoning behind the attack, althogh unless they thought it posed a threat to USSR safety, I think the attack was a very bad action. I could understand the US doing somthing like this if a plane was headed to the Whitehouse, and were not responding on the radio....but seems like they were a bit trigger happy and arraogant to me. May the souls of those who died on 007 rest in peace...

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by Theotokos

A lot of unanswered questions for sure. I mean why not contact the plane and make sure it is not civilian? I hate communism and find this atrocious, however, I can somewhat see the reasoning behind the attack, althogh unless they thought it posed a threat to USSR safety, I think the attack was a very bad action. I could understand the US doing somthing like this if a plane was headed to the Whitehouse, and were not responding on the radio....but seems like they were a bit trigger happy and arraogant to me. May the souls of those who died on 007 rest in peace...

Haha bud, USA did it to an Iran Air flight lil while ago too. Over the persian gulf on that!

[Buckeye757]

Originally Posted by Bigey

Haha bud, USA did it to an Iran Air flight lil while ago too. Over the persian gulf on that!

Really? I don't think I've ever heard of that. How long ago did that happen?

[flyover]

Originally Posted by Bigey

Haha bud, USA did it to an Iran Air flight lil while ago too. Over the persian gulf on that!

When you get right down to it, both events resulted from confusion and time pressure.

It's worth noting that the US made many overflights of USSR during the Cold War until the Soviets finally gained the ability to shoot our planes down, and did so by shooting Powers' U2 down. There really was no choice for us. The Soviets knew where our military tagets were because we had an open society. We had to overfly them to locate their installations.

We never allowed one such flight by the USSR and Eisenhower always said if they tried it would amount to a declaration of war. But the Soviets never made a big deal out of all our overflights because they didn't want to admit that we could fly at will over them and they couldn't shoot us down.

[ROFCIBC]

Originally Posted by Buckeye757

I saw that earlier. It really must have sucked. But of all air disasters, I think what those poor people on flight 800 went through is the worst.

And just what did those "poor people" go through? There is a lot of recreation of airline crashes that shows this terror, or that scream, or a particular visual of a persons face.

But where does this come from? Was anyone who was really there a "consultant"? Obviously not. Hence it's what somebody making the program wants it to be. Staged. Fiction.

From all this we even have lawsuits about how "terrified" the dead were, before they were...well dead. So the lawyers and the families can reap the financial benefits of their dead relatives. I guess it really brings to light what the tag on a corpse in a morgue is to some...a price tag.

So in the final analysis, all these programs share one thing in common. The desire to create something that will sell, will have ratings, will be in demand by consumers. The fact it is human beings, the fact that people died, the fact that it was an event that involved human tragedy is all put behind the desire for financial gain.

And people laugh at the National Enquirer...these programs are no different.

FWIW I did see a report that the first batch of lawsuits have been filed regarding the Southwest crash at Midway. But not by those on the ground that were injured. But by passengers who claim mental anguish but were otherwise unharmed.

Gimme a break...every time I landed it was mental anguish...to ME! God knows what it was like for those poor dumb slobs in the back of that Long Beach Sewer Pipe as I smote the earth at Orange County/John Wayne airport in my Hot Dog!

[ROFCIBC]

Originally Posted by Buckeye757

Really? I don't think I've ever heard of that. How long ago did that happen?

Guided missile frigate shot down an Airbus. One of those "fog of war" things where an airliner was in an area where bad guys and good guys were dueling it out. Guys on the boat locked on to what they thought was a threat and pulled the trigger.

Happened back in the lead up to Desert Storm when the Gulf was "hot".

[Buckeye757]

Originally Posted by ROFCIBC

And just what did those "poor people" go through? There is a lot of recreation of airline crashes that shows this terror, or that scream, or a particular visual of a persons face.

But where does this come from? Was anyone who was really there a "consultant"? Obviously not. Hence it's what somebody making the program wants it to be. Staged. Fiction.

From all this we even have lawsuits about how "terrified" the dead were, before they were...well dead. So the lawyers and the families can reap the financial benefits of their dead relatives. I guess it really brings to light what the tag on a corpse in a morgue is to some...a price tag.

So in the final analysis, all these programs share one thing in common. The desire to create something that will sell, will have ratings, will be in demand by consumers. The fact it is human beings, the fact that people died, the fact that it was an event that involved human tragedy is all put behind the desire for financial gain.

And people laugh at the National Enquirer...these programs are no different.

FWIW I did see a report that the first batch of lawsuits have been filed regarding the Southwest crash at Midway. But not by those on the ground that were injured. But by passengers who claim mental anguish but were otherwise unharmed.

Gimme a break...every time I landed it was mental anguish...to ME! God knows what it was like for those poor dumb slobs in the back of that Long Beach Sewer Pipe as I smote the earth at Orange County/John Wayne airport in my Hot Dog!

I see what you're saying, but I was just talking about the mechanics of the way that plane went down. It split in half at 17,000 feet and I just can't imagine being in a free fall for such an extended period in time. The pilots still presumeably still alive at the controls. However, I guess what the Challenger astronauts went through was 100 times worse. If i rememeber corretly they fell from about 200,000 ft. and it was the impact that killed them.

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by ROFCIBC

Guided missile frigate shot down an Airbus. One of those "fog of war" things where an airliner was in an area where bad guys and good guys were dueling it out. Guys on the boat locked on to what they thought was a threat and pulled the trigger.

Happened back in the lead up to Desert Storm when the Gulf was "hot".

Yeah, but there were some stuff that didnt make sense. Why did the captain (or whoever was in charge) get a medal for that courageous action?

Hah and what did they expect, the A300 to be on the military channel responding to a F-14 call?

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by Buckeye757

I see what you're saying, but I was just talking about the mechanics of the way that plane went down. It split in half at 17,000 feet and I just can't imagine being in a free fall for such an extended period in time. The pilots still presumeably still alive at the controls. However, I guess what the Challenger astronauts went through was 100 times worse. If i rememeber corretly they fell from about 200,000 ft. and it was the impact that killed them.

Didnt the passenger compartment continue to climb? Wouldnt that mean they suffocated to death before actually free falling?

Same goes for the Challenger? Lack of oxygen, no?

[Buckeye757]

In the case of flight 800, yeah the pax. section continued to climb but then descended to allow some people to regain consciousness for the remainder of the fall. This is evident in the case of Pan Am flight 103. One woman actually survived the fall, but died before rescue teams could get to her. And that flight was at cruise. As for the astronauts, their orange suits provided all the oxygen needed to keep them alive, but without any escape hatch, there was nothing that could be done except fall.