Trigger Mechanisms

mtsu_av8er · December 19th, 2005, 01:11

This is an interesting story that I thought I'd share with everybody. Initially, I started typing it in the CFI corner, but in the end I decided that everybody could benefit from this.

A couple of days ago, Lindsey and I were briefing a local Instrument flight, with approaches at several local (within 20 miles) airpports. Well, after a little discussion, we both decided that the winds offered us the perfect opportunity to go up and practice some crosswind landings (270@14, Gusting to 20), with runway 2/20. So, off we go!!

Well, after a normal man up and launch we were setting up for what we both thought was going to be a perfect landing. Lindsey was doing everything by the book, good X-wind correction on the downwind, everything that I expected somebody with her training to be (hey, can a guy plug himself for a minute??

).

Just as we're turning base-to-final, I couldn't help to notice a huge herd of deer in some enpty fields just north of the airport. I'm talking 18-20 animals in one tiny area! As I looked around, there were even more! Lindsey was completely oblivious to all of that, though.

So, as we're about 200 feet AGL, I mumbled, "Would you look at all of those deer down there", and instantly we're climbing! Lindsey performed a perfect go-around! Now, I'm thinking to myself, "Maybe she saw something I didn't", and I decided that we'd discuss it on the ground, until I remembered that I'd mentioned the deer. Then it hit me: The only time she's probably heard the word "deer" in the cockpit is when I was giving her the textbook "deer on the runway".

I actually went home and thought about this quite a bit. Those trigger mechanisms can be pretty powerful!

Cruise · December 19th, 2005, 01:17

pavlov anyone? LOL

mtsu_av8er · December 19th, 2005, 01:18

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Originally Posted by Cruise

pavlov anyone? LOL

LOL . . . exactly!!

Doug Taylor · December 19th, 2005, 01:32

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Originally Posted by Cruise

pavlov anyone? LOL

*ding!*

Philip · December 19th, 2005, 01:53

what does it mean? It means that lloyd is a slave driver.

jrh · December 19th, 2005, 01:56

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Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

So, as we're about 200 feet AGL, I mumbled, "Would you look at all of those deer down there", and instantly we're climbing! Lindsey performed a perfect go-around! Now, I'm thinking to myself, "Maybe she saw something I didn't", and I decided that we'd discuss it on the ground, until I remembered that I'd mentioned the deer. Then it hit me: The only time she's probably heard the word "deer" in the cockpit is when I was giving her the textbook "deer on the runway".

I actually went home and thought about this quite a bit. Those trigger mechanisms can be pretty powerful!

Just to clarify...did she go around without thinking because it truly was a "trigger reaction" or was she confused about what you were talking about and wanted to play it safe? Maybe she thought you saw something on the runway that she didn't?

I always tell my students to go around by yelling, "Oh, crap! Go around!" because I figure if I REALLY needed a go around that's probably what I'd be saying. None of this, "It appears a deer has strayed onto the landing surface. You may wish to consider a go around..."

Philip · December 19th, 2005, 02:04

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Originally Posted by jrh

I always tell my students to go around by yelling, "Oh, crap! Go around!" because I figure if I REALLY needed a go around that's probably what I'd be saying.

LOL

I'll remember that.

Mavmb · December 19th, 2005, 02:54

I gotta believe there are some other trigger mechanisms you could try on her if that one worked! Maybe next time, instead of "deer" you could say " mardi gra beads" Ah, nevermind.

dgRoot · December 19th, 2005, 17:24

I try to use types of different animals.. There was a platipus on the runway the other day that caused my student to go around (:

lindseyv · December 19th, 2005, 20:19

Okay...I was not confused, and Lloyd hit the nail on the head:

Totally trained to react to 'animals' on the runway! If I remember right it was either a deer, a brick wall, or little sally! =)

I got a good laugh out of it. The funny thing is there is usually not too much communication confusion between us.

Ophir · December 19th, 2005, 20:28

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Originally Posted by dgRoot

I try to use types of different animals.. There was a platipus on the runway the other day that caused my student to go around (:

No, that's spelled, Pilatus.

sorrygottarunway · December 19th, 2005, 22:09

I usually do the "GUACAMOLE ON THE RUNWAY! GO AROUND" or "BALLET SHOËS, GO AROUND"

December 19th, 2005, 01:11	#1
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,505	Trigger Mechanisms This is an interesting story that I thought I'd share with everybody. Initially, I started typing it in the CFI corner, but in the end I decided that everybody could benefit from this. A couple of days ago, Lindsey and I were briefing a local Instrument flight, with approaches at several local (within 20 miles) airpports. Well, after a little discussion, we both decided that the winds offered us the perfect opportunity to go up and practice some crosswind landings (270@14, Gusting to 20), with runway 2/20. So, off we go!! Well, after a normal man up and launch we were setting up for what we both thought was going to be a perfect landing. Lindsey was doing everything by the book, good X-wind correction on the downwind, everything that I expected somebody with her training to be (hey, can a guy plug himself for a minute??). Just as we're turning base-to-final, I couldn't help to notice a huge herd of deer in some enpty fields just north of the airport. I'm talking 18-20 animals in one tiny area! As I looked around, there were even more! Lindsey was completely oblivious to all of that, though. So, as we're about 200 feet AGL, I mumbled, "Would you look at all of those deer down there", and instantly we're climbing! Lindsey performed a perfect go-around! Now, I'm thinking to myself, "Maybe she saw something I didn't", and I decided that we'd discuss it on the ground, until I remembered that I'd mentioned the deer. Then it hit me: The only time she's probably heard the word "deer" in the cockpit is when I was giving her the textbook "deer on the runway". I actually went home and thought about this quite a bit. Those trigger mechanisms can be pretty powerful! __________________ ------- One person says "stop gloating - life sucks!" while another says "be happy - at least you have a job!" . . . people are just stupid.

December 19th, 2005, 02:54	#8
Mavmb Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,169	I gotta believe there are some other trigger mechanisms you could try on her if that one worked! Maybe next time, instead of "deer" you could say " mardi gra beads" Ah, nevermind. __________________ My accomplishments: 30,000 hours logged, at yo momma's house!

December 19th, 2005, 20:19	#10
lindseyv Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 302	Okay...I was not confused, and Lloyd hit the nail on the head: Totally trained to react to 'animals' on the runway! If I remember right it was either a deer, a brick wall, or little sally! =) I got a good laugh out of it. The funny thing is there is usually not too much communication confusion between us. __________________ "He's too beautiful. He's too much twisted steel and sex appeal. I can't be with a guy that looks like I won him in a raffle."

December 19th, 2005, 22:09	#12
sorrygottarunway Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DXR, Connecticut Posts: 1,170	.. I usually do the "GUACAMOLE ON THE RUNWAY! GO AROUND" or "BALLET SHOËS, GO AROUND" __________________ CFI/CFII/MEI ATP, SF340

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December 19th, 2005, 01:17	#2
Cruise Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SYR, ABE Posts: 2,262	pavlov anyone? LOL

December 19th, 2005, 01:53	#5
Philip Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KAPA Posts: 1,526	what does it mean? It means that lloyd is a slave driver.

December 19th, 2005, 17:24	#9
dgRoot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Above Colorado Posts: 90	I try to use types of different animals.. There was a platipus on the runway the other day that caused my student to go around (: