cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash

kel · January 28th, 2003, 12:43

www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003-01-28-charlotte-crash-htm

Doug Taylor · January 28th, 2003, 12:45

NTSB finds cable problem with fatal plane crash in Charlotte

WASHINGTON (AP) — A problem with cables connected to the tail of a Beech 1900 turboprop caused the plane to climb too steeply and that may have suddenly shifted the cargo just before the aircraft crashed in Charlotte, killing all 21 aboard, federal safety investigators said Tuesday.

US Airways Express Flight 5481 plummeted to the ground shortly after takeoff Jan. 8. Investigators are looking at weight and elevator malfunction as possible contributing causes. The elevator is a flap on the tail that moves up and down and causes the plane to climb or dive.

In a preliminary report, the National Transportation Safety Board said elevator control cables were not operating correctly.

That, coupled with an instrument problem, could have caused the pilot, Katie Leslie, to take off too steeply.

The NTSB found that one cable attached to the elevator was about 2 inches longer than the other, which meant the elevator didn't properly respond to the controls. And the indicator on the instrument panel showed the plane's nose was pointed down when it really was up, according to the report.

Investigators also are looking at the cargo hooks to see if the baggage was secured when the plane crashed. A sudden shift of the cargo could have upset the balance of the plane, making it more difficult to control, particularly if it was climbing too steeply.

The maximum takeoff weight for the Beech 1900 is slightly more than 17,000 pounds. The NTSB has said the plane's documentation shows it was within 100 pounds of that weight.

The Federal Aviation Administration on Monday announced that airlines flying 10- to 19-seat planes must begin weighing passengers and their bags. The FAA wants to see whether its estimates for passenger and bag weights still are accurate or are too low.

The FAA also issued an order requiring inspections of elevators on all Beech 1900 series planes.

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kel · January 28th, 2003, 12:46

my mistake

www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003-01-28-charlotte-crash.htm

kel · January 28th, 2003, 12:47

Thanks DOUG.

ERJ-135 · January 28th, 2003, 14:55

Is this statement, at the end of the article apply? Just wondeing if you could get into any legal hassels?

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Doug Taylor · January 28th, 2003, 20:04

Probably. But until I recieve a "cease and desist" from AP-legal it should be fine.

pilot602 · January 29th, 2003, 09:56

As long as the article is attributed (i.e. "AP," etc.) and is not used in a manner to generate direct profit or take credit this falls under fair use.

No where has Doug usurped credit for the authoring of the story nor is he deriving any profit from the story so he's pretty safe. It also helps that the purpose of the site is not news dissemniation (the Web site is not a "news source/publication") If the AP or CNN really wanted to make a deal out of it they could - you can literally sue for anything, whether you win or not is an entirely different matter - but they'd most likely lose (assuming Doug had enough $$$ to take it to court and sustain long enough to a ruling).

Once something is published it's pretty much fair game (assuming you don't break the two rules above).

N940AM · January 29th, 2003, 16:46

I am sure that could become a pretty big ordeal, weighing all passengers and bags for aircraft with 10-19 seats. I used to work with the 1900's and found them to be a great aircraft that would hold quite a bit of cargo. I could only imagine having to weigh all of it. To the best of my knowledge it would only effect the 1900 and the Jetstream 31 those are the only two that I can think of operating for airlines..

Ryan

Androol · February 1st, 2003, 06:48

Big Sky Airlines out of Montana still operates Metroliners, so the weighing would still apply to them.

From the sounds of it the airlines will only have to weigh, or ask the weight of, 15% of the passengers, and only over a three day period.

My airline is planning on doing this in about three weeks. Asking the weight is okay, but we have to add ten pounds on what they tell us. Sounds like it is going to be relatively pain free.

January 28th, 2003, 12:43	#1
kel Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BOSTON,MA Posts: 12	cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003-01-28-charlotte-crash-htm

January 28th, 2003, 12:45	#2
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,931 Blog Entries: 1	Re: cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash NTSB finds cable problem with fatal plane crash in Charlotte WASHINGTON (AP) — A problem with cables connected to the tail of a Beech 1900 turboprop caused the plane to climb too steeply and that may have suddenly shifted the cargo just before the aircraft crashed in Charlotte, killing all 21 aboard, federal safety investigators said Tuesday. US Airways Express Flight 5481 plummeted to the ground shortly after takeoff Jan. 8. Investigators are looking at weight and elevator malfunction as possible contributing causes. The elevator is a flap on the tail that moves up and down and causes the plane to climb or dive. In a preliminary report, the National Transportation Safety Board said elevator control cables were not operating correctly. That, coupled with an instrument problem, could have caused the pilot, Katie Leslie, to take off too steeply. The NTSB found that one cable attached to the elevator was about 2 inches longer than the other, which meant the elevator didn't properly respond to the controls. And the indicator on the instrument panel showed the plane's nose was pointed down when it really was up, according to the report. Investigators also are looking at the cargo hooks to see if the baggage was secured when the plane crashed. A sudden shift of the cargo could have upset the balance of the plane, making it more difficult to control, particularly if it was climbing too steeply. The maximum takeoff weight for the Beech 1900 is slightly more than 17,000 pounds. The NTSB has said the plane's documentation shows it was within 100 pounds of that weight. The Federal Aviation Administration on Monday announced that airlines flying 10- to 19-seat planes must begin weighing passengers and their bags. The FAA wants to see whether its estimates for passenger and bag weights still are accurate or are too low. The FAA also issued an order requiring inspections of elevators on all Beech 1900 series planes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

January 28th, 2003, 12:46	#3
kel Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BOSTON,MA Posts: 12	Re: cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash my mistake www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003-01-28-charlotte-crash.htm

January 28th, 2003, 12:47	#4
kel Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BOSTON,MA Posts: 12	Re: cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash Thanks DOUG.

January 28th, 2003, 14:55	#5
ERJ-135 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: USA Posts: 277	Re: cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash Is this statement, at the end of the article apply? Just wondeing if you could get into any legal hassels? Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

January 28th, 2003, 20:04	#6
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,931 Blog Entries: 1	Re: cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash Probably. But until I recieve a "cease and desist" from AP-legal it should be fine.

January 29th, 2003, 09:56	#7
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash As long as the article is attributed (i.e. "AP," etc.) and is not used in a manner to generate direct profit or take credit this falls under fair use. No where has Doug usurped credit for the authoring of the story nor is he deriving any profit from the story so he's pretty safe. It also helps that the purpose of the site is not news dissemniation (the Web site is not a "news source/publication") If the AP or CNN really wanted to make a deal out of it they could - you can literally sue for anything, whether you win or not is an entirely different matter - but they'd most likely lose (assuming Doug had enough $$$ to take it to court and sustain long enough to a ruling). Once something is published it's pretty much fair game (assuming you don't break the two rules above).

January 29th, 2003, 16:46	#8
N940AM Newbie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 14	Re: cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash I am sure that could become a pretty big ordeal, weighing all passengers and bags for aircraft with 10-19 seats. I used to work with the 1900's and found them to be a great aircraft that would hold quite a bit of cargo. I could only imagine having to weigh all of it. To the best of my knowledge it would only effect the 1900 and the Jetstream 31 those are the only two that I can think of operating for airlines.. Ryan

February 1st, 2003, 06:48	#9
Androol Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 35	Re: cable problem cause of CHARLOTTE crash Big Sky Airlines out of Montana still operates Metroliners, so the weighing would still apply to them. From the sounds of it the airlines will only have to weigh, or ask the weight of, 15% of the passengers, and only over a three day period. My airline is planning on doing this in about three weeks. Asking the weight is okay, but we have to add ten pounds on what they tell us. Sounds like it is going to be relatively pain free.

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