Shooting Aboard An AAL Flight . . . - Page 2

JEP · December 7th, 2005, 16:21

CNN....now talking about a bomb on board or pax said he had a bomb......

Theotokos · December 7th, 2005, 16:22

Here is another story according to the AP.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...00010000000001

Maximillian_Jenius · December 7th, 2005, 16:23

Confirmed:

Theresa and Noah buy an abulance & kidnap a comotose Ethan from the hospital.

Gwen is furious when she discovers Theresa kidnapped Ethan. Jessica lashes out at Sam. Eve stumbles upon Liz and Julian just as they are about to have sex!

Fancy fears Noah is cheating on her. Eve finds out Julian really did force himself on Liz all those years ago. Sam and Spike get into a brutal fight.

Confirmed:

Next week on Passions

Monday, December 12 - The Mystery Woman vows to put a stop to Fancy.

-Matthew

flyover · December 7th, 2005, 16:31

As is almost always the case when a passenger flips out, it turns out he was (likely) on some kind of prescribed psychotropic drug. Travel and these types of drugs don't mix. People get off their med schedule, stress, alcohol, time zones, eating at odd hours, etc. and then they just flip out.

From MSNBC:

Mary Gardner, a passenger on the plane, told WTVJ the man started “running crazily through the aisle” after the plane landed in Miami. Gardner said a woman seated with the man ran after him, yelling that her husband was bipolar and had not taken his medication. Gardner described the woman as “hysterical.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10367598/

JEP · December 7th, 2005, 16:36

Now reporting shot and killed.....

CAFFEINE · December 7th, 2005, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Look like they happened at the same time to me . . .

Lol, we both must have seen it on the news as it broke and thought "JC" at the same time

CAFFEINE · December 7th, 2005, 16:52

Now they are reporting that no bomb was found.

Frank_Rizzo · December 7th, 2005, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyChicaga

Too much speculation for me.

I say 95% chance it's suicide by cop. Actually, 97.5%.

I'm going to agree that there is a chance for this to be the outcome. 44 year old US citizen isn't the typical modern suicide bomber. (ok Oklahoma I know but still...)

Maximillian_Jenius · December 7th, 2005, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank_Rizzo

I'm going to agree that there is a chance for this to be the outcome. 44 year old US citizen isn't the typical modern suicide bomber. (ok Oklahoma I know but still...)

Using that same kinda thinking is what led to 9/11 when we were so arrogant to believe that we could never be attacked.
Also terrorist are smart they can't always only recruit one type more especially when there is a established profile. In order to continue to terrorize you gotta change things up and pull out the switches.

I'm inclinded to agree with you. But just don't like the thinking of there only being one "type" of a suspect. More especilly as it relates to terrorism.
-Matthew

Bigey · December 7th, 2005, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank_Rizzo

I'm going to agree that there is a chance for this to be the outcome. 44 year old US citizen isn't the typical modern suicide bomber. (ok Oklahoma I know but still...)

Hrmm..keep up the arrogance like Mathew said.

What's your picture of a suicide bomber? Middle aged middle eastern male?

Casper · December 7th, 2005, 17:18

go FAM's!

Philip · December 7th, 2005, 17:33

am I a bad person for hoping an air marshall got to cap someone?

mtsu_av8er · December 7th, 2005, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip

am I a bad person for hoping an air marshall got to cap someone?

Why would you hope something like that?

Doug Taylor · December 7th, 2005, 17:36

Man, a quick lunch in Chinatown and look what I miss...

Philip · December 7th, 2005, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Why would you hope something like that?

Justify the program, prove to the general public that it's safe etc etc. DO a little good towards pushing that armed pilot bill along...

and I'm a sick individual.

Bigey · December 7th, 2005, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Why would you hope something like that?

I agree..

Who would wish for someone to be hurt/killed?

Are you sick? Yes

therookie · December 7th, 2005, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casper

go FAM's!

This is a good thing? A man was shot and *killed*. But he didn't have a bomb.

:: Douses self in flame retardant ::

Before I dig myself into a hole, the FAM was acting in accordance with training, as far as I can dig up on news sites. That's his/her job. I have no problem with that. The training on the other hand...??

mtsu_av8er · December 7th, 2005, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip

Justify the program, prove to the general public that it's safe etc etc. DO a little good towards pushing that armed pilot bill along...

The program is justified if they never have to shoot somebody. Their existence should be that of a deterrent.

That's almost like saying that police officers need to regularly shoot people to justify their weapons.

Philip · December 7th, 2005, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigey

I agree..

Who would wish for someone to be hurt/killed?

Are you sick? Yes

yeah, why... I'd much rather see them blow up an airplane than get blasted by an air marshall

Philip · December 7th, 2005, 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

The program is justified if they never have to shoot somebody. Their existence should be that of a deterrent.

That's almost like saying that police officers need to regularly shoot people to justify their weapons.

Nah, I don't particularly like cops

It'll probably come out tomorrow that the guy is mentally challenged and really had no idea what he was saying/doing. ****storm to follow.

Doug Taylor · December 7th, 2005, 17:49

Threads merged!

Philip · December 7th, 2005, 18:06

reporting didn't have a bomb, now reporting he had bipolar disorder.

Callous · December 7th, 2005, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigey

Hrmm..keep up the arrogance like Mathew said.

What's your picture of a suicide bomber? Middle aged middle eastern male?

No, not at all. It's a young, Middle Eastern male.

FlyChicaga · December 7th, 2005, 18:25

There is no way that a LEO can tell whether an individual running amok in an enclosed space threatening lives is either mentally ill or a verifiable threat. However, it always comes out in the media, "How could that police officer kill a mentally ill man?" Well because he was acting violent and threatening people, and in the heat of moments like this you cannot distinguish the difference.

People cry that we must treat those with disabilities the same as those without. But then when someone with a disability or mental disorder does something or says something threatening, we are supposed to make the distiniction? I don't buy it. May be holding an unpopular opinion here, but that's just my take. If he was in fact running the aisles with a backpack, saying he had a bomb, then attempted to open said backpack when told by law enforcement to "freeze", he was in error. This then lead to them using lethal force to protect the lives of all innocents on board and in the immediate area.

Living with someone in law enforcement for my entire life (my Dad), I will tell you that the last thing that any cop wants to do is draw his weapon. Psychiatrist tests try to weed out the gunslingers. Most cops try to avoid physical confrontation at all costs, until it is necessary to use it. This would be a perfect case of when an officer felt it was necessary to use the last resort.

Bigey · December 7th, 2005, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Callous

No, not at all. It's a young, Middle Eastern male.

Well if we think like that, another attack is going to happen, but it wont be a middle eastern male.

Why does it always come to racial profiling? Damn..dont people understand?

Lets watch black people...they are known for stealing.

Like that?

December 7th, 2005, 16:21	#26
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Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 19,000	Confirmed: Theresa and Noah buy an abulance & kidnap a comotose Ethan from the hospital. Gwen is furious when she discovers Theresa kidnapped Ethan. Jessica lashes out at Sam. Eve stumbles upon Liz and Julian just as they are about to have sex! Fancy fears Noah is cheating on her. Eve finds out Julian really did force himself on Liz all those years ago. Sam and Spike get into a brutal fight. Confirmed: Next week on Passions Monday, December 12 - The Mystery Woman vows to put a stop to Fancy. -Matthew __________________ Rear Admiral www.gayviator.com Maximillian Pegasus

December 7th, 2005, 16:31	#29
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	As is almost always the case when a passenger flips out, it turns out he was (likely) on some kind of prescribed psychotropic drug. Travel and these types of drugs don't mix. People get off their med schedule, stress, alcohol, time zones, eating at odd hours, etc. and then they just flip out. From MSNBC: Mary Gardner, a passenger on the plane, told WTVJ the man started “running crazily through the aisle” after the plane landed in Miami. Gardner said a woman seated with the man ran after him, yelling that her husband was bipolar and had not taken his medication. Gardner described the woman as “hysterical.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10367598/ __________________ Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. — Henry Ford

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December 7th, 2005, 16:52	#32
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Theotokos Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: BRY/KLOU/KSDF Posts: 481	Here is another story according to the AP. http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...00010000000001

December 7th, 2005, 17:18	#36
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December 7th, 2005, 17:33	#37
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December 7th, 2005, 18:06	#47
Philip Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KAPA Posts: 1,580	reporting didn't have a bomb, now reporting he had bipolar disorder.

December 7th, 2005, 18:25	#49
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,833	There is no way that a LEO can tell whether an individual running amok in an enclosed space threatening lives is either mentally ill or a verifiable threat. However, it always comes out in the media, "How could that police officer kill a mentally ill man?" Well because he was acting violent and threatening people, and in the heat of moments like this you cannot distinguish the difference. People cry that we must treat those with disabilities the same as those without. But then when someone with a disability or mental disorder does something or says something threatening, we are supposed to make the distiniction? I don't buy it. May be holding an unpopular opinion here, but that's just my take. If he was in fact running the aisles with a backpack, saying he had a bomb, then attempted to open said backpack when told by law enforcement to "freeze", he was in error. This then lead to them using lethal force to protect the lives of all innocents on board and in the immediate area. Living with someone in law enforcement for my entire life (my Dad), I will tell you that the last thing that any cop wants to do is draw his weapon. Psychiatrist tests try to weed out the gunslingers. Most cops try to avoid physical confrontation at all costs, until it is necessary to use it. This would be a perfect case of when an officer felt it was necessary to use the last resort. __________________ "Anyone can do the job when things are going right. In this business we play for keeps." Ernest K. Gann

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