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Old April 8th, 2006, 21:17   #151
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Im interested in applying, seems like a good way to rack on hours and not worry about poverty, any current Sierra CFIs would like to share their overall experience there? average monthly pay? dorm life there? food edible? Anybody going for the Air China thing after 2 ten month contracts? any additional info on that? Thanks
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Im interested in applying, seems like a good way to rack on hours and not worry about poverty, any current Sierra CFIs would like to share their overall experience there? average monthly pay? dorm life there? food edible? Anybody going for the Air China thing after 2 ten month contracts? any additional info on that? Thanks
Average monthly pay depends on the time of year and the weather (and TSA if you have new students) but you'll make more here than the average school for sure. I've been teaching ground school and this month I'll be brinning in about $3500 before taxes. That's not quite average though. I'd say about $2000 per month average as a flight instructor, but don't quote me, I've only been a full fledged flight instructor for 2 1/2 weeks.

Dorm life = reminds me of college. Very similar, except we only share a bathroom with one other person (my college dorms we shared with the entire floor) The rooms are nice. HVAC is a little touchy, summer heat is going to be brutal, but overall not too shabby at all.

Food edible - depends on how long you've been here. The first 3 weeks for me i had the mindset that I could eat anything that was free. But that's the last time I actually ate a meal in the cafeteria. It seems to me that the quality of the meat keeps going down to the point where I can't tell what is meat, what is bone, what is skin, and what kind of animal the whole mess came from. Edible? I'd say no, but most instructors eat there every meal without fuss. I think I may be a bit of a picky eater.
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The shrimp today was nice.

And to answer your question, Jones, I don't know of a better deal than this.

Average monthly pay is probably more like $2,500 to $3,000. That beats most or all regional airline's first, second, even some third year pay. That also doesn't include any adjustment for free housing, food, laundry, and charts. That stuff has a significant dollar amount that isn't on the paycheck but does help you survive.

I estimate I have all my bare minimum, human "stay alive" expenses paid for on the third working day of each month, and the rest of my bills paid for around the tenth day. And I'm probably average.
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Are any of the current instructors thinking about the Air China possibility?
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Are any of the current instructors thinking about the Air China possibility?
I doubt more than one or two are.

Air China is the Chinese national airline, run by the government (kind of). Not only that but advancement is done not strictly be seniority, but also by merit. Whether merit means a safe, knowledgeable pilot with experience or daddy-works-for-the-government is up for you to find out; I'm not sure. I do know that they hire direct entry captains, which, for an F/O, would mean longer upgrade time. For a five year commitment, you might want to know the approximate upgrade time before you pack up your stuff and move to China!

It's probably not for me, but still fun to consider.
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There are a couple of instructors who are considering the Air China option, particularly becuase it's a way to get into the heavies, then come back after building up time. I'm not one of them, though.

Overall I am loving this job. To me (and I'm sure Nick, WAFlyboy, and Flyguy will agree) this is the best instructor "gig" out there. There is absolutely no instructor complaining here (well, except for the occasional "what is that?" meal). Can't wait till the twins get here.

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There are a couple of instructors who are considering the Air China option, particularly becuase it's a way to get into the heavies, then come back after building up time. I'm not one of them, though.

Overall I am loving this job. To me (and I'm sure Nick, WAFlyboy, and Flyguy will agree) this is the best instructor "gig" out there. There is absolutely no instructor complaining here (well, except for the occasional "what is that?" meal). Can't wait till the twins get here.

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Neat, I have never trained twins before. Are there a lot of Asian twins or are they uncommon? The closet I ever got to training twins was a brother and sister. I still had trouble seeing the resemblence.
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Still hiring? Have the requirements changed?
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Old April 15th, 2006, 19:37   #159
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thanks for all the info, I got a call from the Chief CFI last week regarding the job, another question for the JCers that work there, what u guys do for fun out there? I'm not looking for a constant party club scene all the time, its out of my system, I graduate college in may. The town kinda seems in the middle of nowhere what you guys do in your free time? they have ping pong tables there?
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another question for the JCers that work there, what u guys do for fun out there?
I'm putting my entire paycheck this period towards a new road bike, and there are Yosemite National Park maps all over my floor. The waterfalls are going to be awesome after all this rain and snow melts in the next two months.

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they have ping pong tables there?
Yes...but I thought you said you weren't into drinking much anymore?
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Yes...but I thought you said you weren't into drinking much anymore?
I said ping pong, not beer pong, but seriously you got ping pong there?
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I guess I get my pongs mixed up. Yes, there is a ping-pong table.
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Are those rooms furnished or do you have to come up with your own stuff? I plan on dropping my resume' in two weeks and I really hope it works out. Beer-pong anybody?
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also, do they have cable tv and wireless internet?
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Yeah I think this sounds like a really cool deal. May as well apply while I'm still single and young. 10 months doesn't seem to bad. Just curious...what the girl to guy ratio? Hopefully its easy to get out of the dorms and meet the opposite sex sometimes. Thats what made college great and its why I'm affraid to leave. But yeah, I should definetly send my resume in. 10 month contract doesn't seem too bad.
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ping pong? whats ping pong?
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I said ping pong, not beer pong, but seriously you got ping pong there?
Ping Pong is the twins the other guy said he was waiting on!
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I guess I get my pongs mixed up. Yes, there is a ping-pong table.
Only Nick would get that mixed up.

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Just curious...what the girl to guy ratio? Hopefully its easy to get out of the dorms and meet the opposite sex sometimes.
The staff is exclusively male, with only one exception that I know of. Been to a few bars in Atwater, Turlock and Merced, and was sorely disappointed. The Bay Area is probably the best bet for meeting new folks.
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also, do they have cable tv and wireless internet?
Not in the dorms.

They have 3 TVs with DirectTV in the rec center. Internet used to be available in the rec center, but hasn't seemed to work for a while. I think many (if not most) instructors are getting internet through a local wireless broadband service (Clearwire), and using routers to split the connection and cost.
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Just curious...what the girl to guy ratio? Hopefully its easy to get out of the dorms and meet the opposite sex sometimes. Thats what made college great and its why I'm affraid to leave.
Hate to break the bad news to you, but you'll never again have the same access to the opposite sex that you do living in a college dorm.
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Not in the dorms.

They have 3 TVs with DirectTV in the rec center. Internet used to be available in the rec center, but hasn't seemed to work for a while. I think many (if not most) instructors are getting internet through a local wireless broadband service (Clearwire), and using routers to split the connection and cost.
We sort of have wireless internet in the dorms, but not enough access points to serve everybody, and since all of the students are on the internet playing video games all day and all night when THEY SHOULD BE STUDYING [/rant] it gets so bogged down you can't even get on. At 0700 however, when all of the students finally go to bed, it is the fastest and most reliable internet connection you'll ever find. But then by 0900 when they are in groundschool, they'll again hook up to the net and play their games and pretend to be taking notes on their laptops.

Dorm rooms have two closets, two entertainment center/dressers, two night stands, one desk, two chairs, two lamps, and one twin bed, though you can get a second if you want depending on availability. Some instructors have wives/girlfrineds that visit so they take the two twin beds and make them into one king. Of course, you can bring anything you want also.
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Anyone from JC going to the group interview thurs and fri Apr27-28? I'm coming from the east coast and ill be flying into Sacramento on Wens night. Wonderign if anyone would go halfsies on a renrt a car. Any JCers that interviewed earlier this year fly in, what did you guys do?
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Anybody know how big of a group "group interview" refers to?

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Any JCers that interviewed earlier this year fly in, what did you guys do?
Rented from Sacramento and drove. It's two hours.

Another guy took a train from the Bay area and then a bus once closer. If you're interested in that option I'm sure he could post some information.
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Rented from Sacramento and drove. It's two hours.

Another guy took a train from the Bay area and then a bus once closer. If you're interested in that option I'm sure he could post some information.
I did the train thing. I flew in to Oakland, then took Amtrak to Merced (about a 3 hour train ride), then took a cab.

Another option is to fly into Fresno or Modesto, but the tickets are usually more expensive to those airports.

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