The Reign of Terror Is Over - Page 3

Cheechako · June 22nd, 2005, 14:22

...and just in case you forgot,

The Salt Lake Niner departure is [still] a radar vector departure, expect vectors from departure control....

...aargh, shoot me now....

jtrain609 · June 22nd, 2005, 14:27

I'll be moving out there around mid December, whenever I get done with that whole graduating college thing. We'll definetly have to hook up with some of ya'll in August!

fly22 · June 22nd, 2005, 14:29

[ QUOTE ]
...and just in case you forgot,

The Salt Lake Niner departure is [still] a radar vector departure, expect vectors from departure control....

...aargh, shoot me now....

[/ QUOTE ]

No joke, that drives me crazy to this day.

Maximillian_Jenius · June 22nd, 2005, 14:53

[ QUOTE ]
...and just in case you forgot,

The Salt Lake Niner departure is [still] a radar vector departure, expect vectors from departure control....

...aargh, shoot me now....

[/ QUOTE ]

I read on airnav.com that the Salt Lake Nine departure is a vectored departure due to obstacle clearance!
What obstacle? Most everyone will say the mountains. When I fly into SLC I normally fly one of three airlines. Southwest,America West or Delta. We normally depart on the Fairfield Six if runways 16L/16R are in use. This departure takes us south over the entire city and depending on what airline I fly we normally leave the SLC area via BCE or MLF if I'm HP and going to Vegas for a connection.
So why can't planes using the Salt Lake Nine dept. do the samething if heading east.
Meaning depart SLC on a heading of 160 degrees and depart to the east when they have gained enough alt. to cross over the Watsach. I'm thinking 10,000 ft. should be high enough. Instead of the crazy turning climbs after the gear doors close and getting vectors to 280 to cross TCH at a certain altitude.

-Matthew

Cheechako · June 22nd, 2005, 16:08

It's all about separation between the inbound and outbound aircraft. Those headed east need to get up and over the wasatch. They turn those out to the west initially under the downwind traffic, then when high enough to clear the same downwind traffic and the mountains, they'll turn them to the east.

It's a good flow. My only beef is that phrase has been on the ATIS for, what, three years now? It just adds more garbage to an already long ATIS! RTFC! Read the Frikkin Chart!

Ophir · June 22nd, 2005, 16:53

Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now.

Well I won't keep up with Mormon discussion but I will say you are correct on many of your suspicions. It is a very screwed up religion. But then again, what religion isn't. Oops, off to the Lav! Sorry Kristie

Tim · June 22nd, 2005, 17:34

Well good luck in SLC but you got to admit nothing beats the great summer thunderstorms here in ATL. But for commuting reasons I dont blame you one bit.

Maximillian_Jenius · June 22nd, 2005, 17:43

[ QUOTE ]
Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Anyone know if all of SkyWest hiring as of late is confined to the Brazilia? All of the new hires on this board all seemed to get on the Brazilia and not the CRJ.

-MaTThEw

Lee D · June 22nd, 2005, 17:48

Mike D, I would buy you a "gassy" Red Iguana meal anytime too. Sheesh, so sensitive.

Agree on the SLC ATIS thing. Longest ATIS in the world. According to ATC the "Salt Lake 9 is a radar vector. . .blah blah, blah," is becuase at one time they had planes departing and turning on course in IMC conditions, without adequate terrain separation, and without permission to do so from ATC.

fly22 · June 22nd, 2005, 17:57

BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board.

[/ QUOTE ]

Come on Lee you know that goes with territory. At least no one is throwing donkey crap on you. True story happened to me when I was in Peru. I was pissed then but now I laugh my a$$ off every time I think about it.

Maximillian_Jenius · June 22nd, 2005, 17:58

[ QUOTE ]

BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board.

[/ QUOTE ]

There are alot of Mormons on this board. Not everyone is always going to agree with anyone personal lives or religion. But your definately not alone in your worshipping practices so take comfort in that.
All are welcome to these boards. It could be worse I mean you could be a Jehovah Witness.

Besides you'd only be a religious freak if you danced in a pit with venomous serpents and got bit because you had a momentary of "lack of faith."

To all those who do dance with snakes..damn I can't win for losing!

-Matthew

TheShortOne · June 22nd, 2005, 18:04

yup, John and I for serious moving to Utah. Me end of Oct, John mid Dec. We're going out there because I hate my job and want to be a ski instructor. SLC as opposed to Colorado because the Salt Lake is a lot closer to the ski resorts there than Denver is to the resorts in CO which makes it easier on both of us (less driving). Right now it looks like we'll be heading out there to find an apartment Aug 12-14 so we'll have to meet up with all these SLC peeps

fly22 · June 22nd, 2005, 18:05

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board.

[/ QUOTE ]

There are alot of Mormons on this board. Not everyone is always going to agree with anyone personal lives or religion. But your definately not alone in your worshipping practices so take comfort in that.
All are welcome to these boards. You'd only be a religious freak if you danced in a pit with venomous serpents and got bit because you had a moment of "lack of faith."

To all those who do dance with snakes..damn I can't win for losing!

-Matthew

[/ QUOTE ]

Good point, what works for one won't for another.

Would I be kicked off for letting you guys in on a secret.

We do dance with snakes.

No we don't! I thought I better put the smiley face on this time before I give the wrong idea.

Lee D · June 22nd, 2005, 18:11

I posted that, thought about it for about 5 min. and came back and deleted that part. Didn't feel like stirring the pot. To late I guess. You guys are quick!

There's something weird about dancing with snakes? Kidding.

Maximillian_Jenius · June 22nd, 2005, 18:18

See we can all take jokes...now we should stop before a mod chimes in...

-Matthew

fly22 · June 22nd, 2005, 18:22

[ QUOTE ]
See we can all take jokes...now we should stop before a mod chimes in...

-Matthew

[/ QUOTE ]

Ya they're pretty good about being quiet in all of this. Come half the fun is getting the blood going.

Lee D · June 22nd, 2005, 18:31

Feel the Jetcareers love. Actually that's what I like about this board. People usually leave their inferiority complexes off the forums.

Yeah, I think we hijacked the thread, just a little bit. . . . .
what was this thing about again?

scoobs · June 22nd, 2005, 19:09

I love how everyone bases Utah because of the mormons.There are tons of "free thinkers" here then you would imagine. Also there are probably more mormons in Las Vegas then SLC. I hate here personally but not because of the mormons,. Shoveling your driveway sucks and the summers are hot.Lots of people love it but the economy is in the tank. I make $12 bucks an hours thats more then 70% of the people here.

Maximillian_Jenius · June 22nd, 2005, 19:12

Well scoobs you can always move to Mesa UT...I mean Mesa AZ.

-Matthew

scoobs · June 22nd, 2005, 22:41

You know whats funny is I might be moving to Phoenix.I'm close to finish my AS and have family that live in the hood.Rent would be cheap and I love warm weather.

MikeD · June 23rd, 2005, 00:25

[ QUOTE ]
Mike D, I would buy you a "gassy" Red Iguana meal anytime too. Sheesh, so sensitive.

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL! Nah.....just being cheap!

Doug Taylor · June 23rd, 2005, 02:28

[ QUOTE ]
BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey, as long as it keeps the heat off us coloreds!

jdflight · June 23rd, 2005, 16:20

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Anyone know if all of SkyWest hiring as of late is confined to the Brazilia? All of the new hires on this board all seemed to get on the Brazilia and not the CRJ.

-MaTThEw

[/ QUOTE ]

Not at all, Matt. In fact, we're running more jet classes than Brasilia. It's just that the few guys on here didn't have turbine time before getting to SkyWest, and so were relegated to the more complex, harder to fly, and more fun Brasilia!

And Chuck, a week off was great, except that I'm not getting paid for it and haven't collected a check in five weeks!

alphaone · June 24th, 2005, 00:33

Hey what is Delta's current pilot Dominiciles?

aloft · June 24th, 2005, 01:26

Ooh! A fun thread! Haven't had a chance to respond until now, I'm away pretending to be in the military for a little bit.
[list][*]Dougie's comin' to the city o' salt!

Red Iguana is only the tip of the iceberg, my friend! And with friends in PC (which does indeed stand for Party Central), it's ALL good....

[*]For the most part, mormons are very nice people. SOME Utah mormons get a little holier than thou and conveniently forget the Golden Rule when it suits their purposes, particularly as it pertains to legislative affairs and codification of certain values into the the state's statutes. Mormons from other states don't seem to share this trait. Collectively, Utah mormons annoy me as they have a tendency to be some of the most intolerant people on the planet. They're very nice when they think you're one of "them" or that they have a shot at converting you, but if you buy a house in a heavily mormon neighborhood and tell the missionaries/visiting teachers that you're simply not interested, prepare to be ostracized in totality by your neighbors. They just don't like to interact with us heathens/nonbelievers.
[*] JC'er CAVOK was hired into the CRJ, he just started class last week. I guess turbine time is the big determinant. I'd be interested to know where their cutoff for the AMOUNT of turbine experience is necessary to be hired into the jet vice the bro. A buddy of mine had the bare hiring mins, but 80 of his 100 ME was in a King Air and that was enough to put him into the jet it would seem.

June 22nd, 2005, 14:22	#51
Cheechako Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Wasilla, AK Posts: 981	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over ...and just in case you forgot, The Salt Lake Niner departure is [still] a radar vector departure, expect vectors from departure control.... ...aargh, shoot me now....

June 22nd, 2005, 14:27	#52
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,322	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over I'll be moving out there around mid December, whenever I get done with that whole graduating college thing. We'll definetly have to hook up with some of ya'll in August!

June 22nd, 2005, 14:29	#53
fly22 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 1,528	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] ...and just in case you forgot, The Salt Lake Niner departure is [still] a radar vector departure, expect vectors from departure control.... ...aargh, shoot me now.... [/ QUOTE ] No joke, that drives me crazy to this day.

June 22nd, 2005, 14:53	#54
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,896	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] ...and just in case you forgot, The Salt Lake Niner departure is [still] a radar vector departure, expect vectors from departure control.... ...aargh, shoot me now.... [/ QUOTE ] I read on airnav.com that the Salt Lake Nine departure is a vectored departure due to obstacle clearance! What obstacle? Most everyone will say the mountains. When I fly into SLC I normally fly one of three airlines. Southwest,America West or Delta. We normally depart on the Fairfield Six if runways 16L/16R are in use. This departure takes us south over the entire city and depending on what airline I fly we normally leave the SLC area via BCE or MLF if I'm HP and going to Vegas for a connection. So why can't planes using the Salt Lake Nine dept. do the samething if heading east. Meaning depart SLC on a heading of 160 degrees and depart to the east when they have gained enough alt. to cross over the Watsach. I'm thinking 10,000 ft. should be high enough. Instead of the crazy turning climbs after the gear doors close and getting vectors to 280 to cross TCH at a certain altitude. -Matthew

June 22nd, 2005, 16:08	#55
Cheechako Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Wasilla, AK Posts: 981	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over It's all about separation between the inbound and outbound aircraft. Those headed east need to get up and over the wasatch. They turn those out to the west initially under the downwind traffic, then when high enough to clear the same downwind traffic and the mountains, they'll turn them to the east. It's a good flow. My only beef is that phrase has been on the ATIS for, what, three years now? It just adds more garbage to an already long ATIS! RTFC! Read the Frikkin Chart!

June 22nd, 2005, 16:53	#56
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now. Well I won't keep up with Mormon discussion but I will say you are correct on many of your suspicions. It is a very screwed up religion. But then again, what religion isn't. Oops, off to the Lav! Sorry Kristie

June 22nd, 2005, 17:34	#57
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over Well good luck in SLC but you got to admit nothing beats the great summer thunderstorms here in ATL. But for commuting reasons I dont blame you one bit.

June 22nd, 2005, 17:43	#58
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,896	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now. [/ QUOTE ] Anyone know if all of SkyWest hiring as of late is confined to the Brazilia? All of the new hires on this board all seemed to get on the Brazilia and not the CRJ. -MaTThEw

June 22nd, 2005, 17:48	#59
Lee D Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 601	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over Mike D, I would buy you a "gassy" Red Iguana meal anytime too. Sheesh, so sensitive. Agree on the SLC ATIS thing. Longest ATIS in the world. According to ATC the "Salt Lake 9 is a radar vector. . .blah blah, blah," is becuase at one time they had planes departing and turning on course in IMC conditions, without adequate terrain separation, and without permission to do so from ATC.

June 22nd, 2005, 17:57	#60
fly22 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 1,528	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board. [/ QUOTE ] Come on Lee you know that goes with territory. At least no one is throwing donkey crap on you. True story happened to me when I was in Peru. I was pissed then but now I laugh my a$$ off every time I think about it.

June 22nd, 2005, 17:58	#61
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,896	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board. [/ QUOTE ] There are alot of Mormons on this board. Not everyone is always going to agree with anyone personal lives or religion. But your definately not alone in your worshipping practices so take comfort in that. All are welcome to these boards. It could be worse I mean you could be a Jehovah Witness. Besides you'd only be a religious freak if you danced in a pit with venomous serpents and got bit because you had a momentary of "lack of faith." To all those who do dance with snakes..damn I can't win for losing! -Matthew

June 22nd, 2005, 18:04	#62
TheShortOne Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 3,332	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over yup, John and I for serious moving to Utah. Me end of Oct, John mid Dec. We're going out there because I hate my job and want to be a ski instructor. SLC as opposed to Colorado because the Salt Lake is a lot closer to the ski resorts there than Denver is to the resorts in CO which makes it easier on both of us (less driving). Right now it looks like we'll be heading out there to find an apartment Aug 12-14 so we'll have to meet up with all these SLC peeps

June 22nd, 2005, 18:05	#63
fly22 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 1,528	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board. [/ QUOTE ] There are alot of Mormons on this board. Not everyone is always going to agree with anyone personal lives or religion. But your definately not alone in your worshipping practices so take comfort in that. All are welcome to these boards. You'd only be a religious freak if you danced in a pit with venomous serpents and got bit because you had a moment of "lack of faith." To all those who do dance with snakes..damn I can't win for losing! -Matthew [/ QUOTE ] Good point, what works for one won't for another. Would I be kicked off for letting you guys in on a secret. We do dance with snakes. No we don't! I thought I better put the smiley face on this time before I give the wrong idea.

June 22nd, 2005, 18:11	#64
Lee D Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 601	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over I posted that, thought about it for about 5 min. and came back and deleted that part. Didn't feel like stirring the pot. To late I guess. You guys are quick! There's something weird about dancing with snakes? Kidding.

June 22nd, 2005, 18:18	#65
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,896	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over See we can all take jokes...now we should stop before a mod chimes in... -Matthew

June 22nd, 2005, 18:22	#66
fly22 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UT, SLC Posts: 1,528	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] See we can all take jokes...now we should stop before a mod chimes in... -Matthew [/ QUOTE ] Ya they're pretty good about being quiet in all of this. Come half the fun is getting the blood going.

June 22nd, 2005, 18:31	#67
Lee D Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 601	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over Feel the Jetcareers love. Actually that's what I like about this board. People usually leave their inferiority complexes off the forums. Yeah, I think we hijacked the thread, just a little bit. . . . . what was this thing about again?

June 22nd, 2005, 19:09	#68
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over I love how everyone bases Utah because of the mormons.There are tons of "free thinkers" here then you would imagine. Also there are probably more mormons in Las Vegas then SLC. I hate here personally but not because of the mormons,. Shoveling your driveway sucks and the summers are hot.Lots of people love it but the economy is in the tank. I make $12 bucks an hours thats more then 70% of the people here.

June 22nd, 2005, 19:12	#69
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,896	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over Well scoobs you can always move to Mesa UT...I mean Mesa AZ. -Matthew

June 22nd, 2005, 22:41	#70
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 678	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over You know whats funny is I might be moving to Phoenix.I'm close to finish my AS and have family that live in the hood.Rent would be cheap and I love warm weather.

June 23rd, 2005, 00:25	#71
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] Mike D, I would buy you a "gassy" Red Iguana meal anytime too. Sheesh, so sensitive. [/ QUOTE ] LOL! Nah.....just being cheap!

June 23rd, 2005, 02:28	#72
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,597 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] BTW, As a Mormon I suddenly feel so welcome on this board. [/ QUOTE ] Hey, as long as it keeps the heat off us coloreds!

June 23rd, 2005, 16:20	#73
jdflight Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO (anywhere but Fresno) Posts: 1,477	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Longest friggin ATIS in the world. And I always make the mistake of missing the call sign at the beginning and having to wait through the entire thing. You'd think I'd learn by now. [/ QUOTE ] Anyone know if all of SkyWest hiring as of late is confined to the Brazilia? All of the new hires on this board all seemed to get on the Brazilia and not the CRJ. -MaTThEw [/ QUOTE ] Not at all, Matt. In fact, we're running more jet classes than Brasilia. It's just that the few guys on here didn't have turbine time before getting to SkyWest, and so were relegated to the more complex, harder to fly, and more fun Brasilia! And Chuck, a week off was great, except that I'm not getting paid for it and haven't collected a check in five weeks!

June 24th, 2005, 00:33	#74
alphaone Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 784	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over Hey what is Delta's current pilot Dominiciles?

June 24th, 2005, 01:26	#75
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,867	Re: The Reign of Terror Is Over Ooh! A fun thread! Haven't had a chance to respond until now, I'm away pretending to be in the military for a little bit. [list][]Dougie's comin' to the city o' salt! Red Iguana is only the tip of the iceberg, my friend! And with friends in PC (which does indeed stand for Party Central), it's ALL good.... []For the most part, mormons are very nice people. SOME Utah mormons get a little holier than thou and conveniently forget the Golden Rule when it suits their purposes, particularly as it pertains to legislative affairs and codification of certain values into the the state's statutes. Mormons from other states don't seem to share this trait. Collectively, Utah mormons annoy me as they have a tendency to be some of the most intolerant people on the planet. They're very nice when they think you're one of "them" or that they have a shot at converting you, but if you buy a house in a heavily mormon neighborhood and tell the missionaries/visiting teachers that you're simply not interested, prepare to be ostracized in totality by your neighbors. They just don't like to interact with us heathens/nonbelievers. [*] JC'er CAVOK was hired into the CRJ, he just started class last week. I guess turbine time is the big determinant. I'd be interested to know where their cutoff for the AMOUNT of turbine experience is necessary to be hired into the jet vice the bro. A buddy of mine had the bare hiring mins, but 80 of his 100 ME was in a King Air and that was enough to put him into the jet it would seem.

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