commercial long x-country - Page 2

ComplexHiAv8r · June 17th, 2005, 09:41

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1 SOLO cross country flight of at least 300 NM w/ 3 points one at least one 250 NM leg

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I understand that this is without an instructor, but can the family go along? I ask as I have made a VFR trip from OH to MS and back with the family. Would that count?

MikeD · June 17th, 2005, 10:11

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1 SOLO cross country flight of at least 300 NM w/ 3 points one at least one 250 NM leg

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I understand that this is without an instructor, but can the family go along? I ask as I have made a VFR trip from OH to MS and back with the family. Would that count?

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From Websters Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: Solo
Function: adverb
1. without a companion : ALONE (ex, to fly solo)

Ralgha · June 17th, 2005, 10:22

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1 SOLO cross country flight of at least 300 NM w/ 3 points one at least one 250 NM leg

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I understand that this is without an instructor, but can the family go along? I ask as I have made a VFR trip from OH to MS and back with the family. Would that count?

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Since when did SOLO stop meaning ALONE?

You also quoted the reg wrong. It's not a 250NM LEG, see previous posts.

Ralgha · June 17th, 2005, 10:27

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I see now it doesn't say that, but isn't that the way most people read it and execute it? Seems like everyone I have ever talked to about it interprets it that way. Wow.

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Not my fault that most people interpret it wrong. There's nothing to interpret.

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So say, I could do a flight with 4 or 5 stops and as long as one stop is 250NM straight line from my point of departure, it doesn't matter how many points I landed at in between?

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Yes.

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Or to put it another way, you are saying I can pick a point that is a straight line distance form my point of departure that it at least 250NM, and it doesn't matter how many times I stop between those two points?

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Correct.

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If that is the case, I have already fulfilled my commercial long x-cntry requirements with one of my solos I did for my private as one of the points I stopped at was further than 250NM from my point of departure.

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Congratulations, now don't let anyone try to talk you out of it (I'm assuming you went at least 300NM total).

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Am I reading you correctly?

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Yes, but apparently you weren't reading the rule correctly!

BrianNC · June 17th, 2005, 10:29

You learn something new every day.

Minnesota_Flyer · June 17th, 2005, 10:34

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I understand that this is without an instructor, but can the family go along? I ask as I have made a VFR trip from OH to MS and back with the family. Would that count?

[/ QUOTE ]From Websters Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: Solo
Function: adverb
1. without a companion : ALONE (ex, to fly solo)

[/ QUOTE ]Or better: "61.51(d) Logging of solo flight time. Except for a student pilot performing the duties of pilot in command of an airship requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember, a pilot may log as solo flight time only that flight time when the pilot is the sole occupant of the aircraft." I don't believe that could be any clearer.

tonyw · June 18th, 2005, 10:06

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but as CFII i was say it has to be done DAY VFR. For a definitive answer call AOPA or your local FSDO. Somehow I think doing it IFR is cheating just a little bit.

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Why is it cheating? If the rules say you can do it any way you want, and if you need in instrument rating to really do anything with that commercial ticket anyway, why not do it IFR?

Grabo172 · June 18th, 2005, 11:05

I did half of mine VFR, stayed the night in PGH...
but to get home, I had to file IFR. Ceilings were low and I didn't want to scud run through the PA mountains...

You can do it any way you want/need to. Use your PIC descision making. That's the purpose of the flight.

tonyw · June 18th, 2005, 12:36

Makes sense to me!

I don't see why anyone would say that it's cheating if you do it under IFR, or VFR. The rules are the rules, and as long as you comply with them, it's all good.

BrianNC · June 18th, 2005, 12:39

This thread has been an eye opener to me. I had read all kinds of things into the long x-cntry requirement that wasn't there.

June 17th, 2005, 09:41	#26
ComplexHiAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: OH or is it MX?? Posts: 4,516	Re: commercial long x-country [ QUOTE ] 1 SOLO cross country flight of at least 300 NM w/ 3 points one at least one 250 NM leg [/ QUOTE ] I understand that this is without an instructor, but can the family go along? I ask as I have made a VFR trip from OH to MS and back with the family. Would that count?

June 17th, 2005, 10:11	#27
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: commercial long x-country [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1 SOLO cross country flight of at least 300 NM w/ 3 points one at least one 250 NM leg [/ QUOTE ] I understand that this is without an instructor, but can the family go along? I ask as I have made a VFR trip from OH to MS and back with the family. Would that count? [/ QUOTE ] From Websters Online Dictionary: Main Entry: Solo Function: adverb 1. without a companion : ALONE (ex, to fly solo)

June 17th, 2005, 10:22	#28
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 912	Re: commercial long x-country [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1 SOLO cross country flight of at least 300 NM w/ 3 points one at least one 250 NM leg [/ QUOTE ] I understand that this is without an instructor, but can the family go along? I ask as I have made a VFR trip from OH to MS and back with the family. Would that count? [/ QUOTE ] Since when did SOLO stop meaning ALONE? You also quoted the reg wrong. It's not a 250NM LEG, see previous posts.

June 17th, 2005, 10:27	#29
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 912	Re: commercial long x-country [ QUOTE ] I see now it doesn't say that, but isn't that the way most people read it and execute it? Seems like everyone I have ever talked to about it interprets it that way. Wow. [/ QUOTE ] Not my fault that most people interpret it wrong. There's nothing to interpret. [ QUOTE ] So say, I could do a flight with 4 or 5 stops and as long as one stop is 250NM straight line from my point of departure, it doesn't matter how many points I landed at in between? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. [ QUOTE ] Or to put it another way, you are saying I can pick a point that is a straight line distance form my point of departure that it at least 250NM, and it doesn't matter how many times I stop between those two points? [/ QUOTE ] Correct. [ QUOTE ] If that is the case, I have already fulfilled my commercial long x-cntry requirements with one of my solos I did for my private as one of the points I stopped at was further than 250NM from my point of departure. [/ QUOTE ] Congratulations, now don't let anyone try to talk you out of it (I'm assuming you went at least 300NM total). [ QUOTE ] Am I reading you correctly? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but apparently you weren't reading the rule correctly!

June 17th, 2005, 10:29	#30
BrianNC Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 817	Re: commercial long x-country You learn something new every day.

June 17th, 2005, 10:34	#31
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 1,896	Re: commercial long x-country [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I understand that this is without an instructor, but can the family go along? I ask as I have made a VFR trip from OH to MS and back with the family. Would that count? [/ QUOTE ]From Websters Online Dictionary: Main Entry: Solo Function: adverb 1. without a companion : ALONE (ex, to fly solo) [/ QUOTE ]Or better: "61.51(d) Logging of solo flight time. Except for a student pilot performing the duties of pilot in command of an airship requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember, a pilot may log as solo flight time only that flight time when the pilot is the sole occupant of the aircraft." I don't believe that could be any clearer.

June 18th, 2005, 10:06	#32
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,323	Re: commercial long x-country [ QUOTE ] but as CFII i was say it has to be done DAY VFR. For a definitive answer call AOPA or your local FSDO. Somehow I think doing it IFR is cheating just a little bit. [/ QUOTE ] Why is it cheating? If the rules say you can do it any way you want, and if you need in instrument rating to really do anything with that commercial ticket anyway, why not do it IFR?

June 18th, 2005, 11:05	#33
Grabo172 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Peterborough, NH Posts: 1,270	Re: commercial long x-country I did half of mine VFR, stayed the night in PGH... but to get home, I had to file IFR. Ceilings were low and I didn't want to scud run through the PA mountains... You can do it any way you want/need to. Use your PIC descision making. That's the purpose of the flight.

June 18th, 2005, 12:36	#34
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,323	Re: commercial long x-country Makes sense to me! I don't see why anyone would say that it's cheating if you do it under IFR, or VFR. The rules are the rules, and as long as you comply with them, it's all good.

June 18th, 2005, 12:39	#35
BrianNC Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 817	Re: commercial long x-country This thread has been an eye opener to me. I had read all kinds of things into the long x-cntry requirement that wasn't there.

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