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Old June 7th, 2005, 09:01   #1
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Default Need fast help with Instrument Rating PTS

For my instrument ground school course I'm supposed to write a quick 2-page paper on what the PTS recommends for instrument cross-checking - does it recommend the Primary/Supporting method or the Control/Performance method? I can't find it anywhere in this little book.

Then, I'm supposed to write about what my flight instructor recommends.

Can anyone help me with this? I procrastinated on this and the teacher moved the due date to one day sooner
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Old June 7th, 2005, 09:05   #2
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Default Re: Need fast help with Instrument Rating PTS

I think you are over thinking it. I think they are trying to ask you. Why do you do instrument cross checking? What will it prevent.

I am a fan of the hub and spoke method. Don't forget, if you have an AutoPilot you must use it on the checkride.

I want to slap that DE though. Writting a paper is a bit much.
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Old June 7th, 2005, 09:10   #3
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Default Re: Need fast help with Instrument Rating PTS

Perhaps I should post a copy of the paper instructions:
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BAIF Methods Paper

1) Two Parts

a) What does the Instrument Pilot PTS say about the two methods?

b) What method does your flight instructor plan to teach you? Why?

2) Two pages is adequate. No more than 5 pages.

3) Typed.

4) Use a title page/cover sheet stapled in upper left corner.

5) Counts as class participation. Not required. (Your grade could be hurt if you do not complete the paper, but you do not have to do the paper to complete the course.)

6) Since the paper is not required, no late papers will be accepted. If you will not be in class, it is still your responsibility to see that it gets turned in on time.

7) Keep your own copy. The papers will not be returned.
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Old June 7th, 2005, 09:16   #4
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Default Re: Need fast help with Instrument Rating PTS

I found it in the PTS...finally:

AREA OF OPERATION IV requires the evaluation of basic instrument flight maneuvers under both full-panel and references to backup primary flight instruments/electronic flight instrument displays. These maneuvers are described in detail in FAA-H-8083-15, Instrument Flying Handbook. Examiners should determine that the applicant demonstrates competency in either the PRIMARY and SUPPORTING or the CONTROL and PERFORMACE CONCEPT method of instrument flying. Either attitude instrument flying method is described in FAA-H-8083-15 and is recommended by the FAA because it requires specific knowledge and interpretation of each individual instrument during training. The FAA has stressed that it is imperative for instrument pilots to acquire and maintain adequate instrument skills and that they be capable of performing instrument flight with the use of the backup systems installed in the aircraft. Many light aircraft operated in IMC are not equipped with dual, independent, gyroscopic heading and/or attitude indicators and in many cases are equipped with only a single-vacuum source. Technically advanced aircraft may be equipped with backup flight instruments or an additional electronic flight display that is not located directly in front of the pilot.
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Old June 7th, 2005, 23:49   #5
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Default Re: Need fast help with Instrument Rating PTS

This has been a major discussion in my CFII training. Officially, the Instrument Flying Handbook says you can pick both and still be right. Personally, I like to have a good knowledge of both, but tend to prefer the control/performance method. Here's why: the primary/secondary instrument scan is a good idea, but they tell you what's happening either right now or what has already happened. The control/performance method goes hand in hand with the pitch + power = performance idea. Use your knowledge of the airplane and go with power settings and flight profiles to stay ahead of the airplane, THEN use the instrument scan to evaluate how that's working out for you.

For an instrument checkride, I would have been hard pressed to write a 2 page paper on the subject, and I think it's overkill for an instrument student to have to do so. CFII training, 2 pages would almost be too little.
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Old June 8th, 2005, 00:31   #6
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I agree, if you know the settings the a/c falls into a specified performance. that's where profiles come from and what you might find organizations to use.
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Old June 8th, 2005, 09:35   #7
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Geez, that teacher sounds like a d*ck. It isn't required but can hurt you?! I'm glad I'm done with those retards.

Oh and don't forget to staple it in "the top left"! corner, lest your paper be thrown away!

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Old June 8th, 2005, 10:47   #8
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Default Re: Need fast help with Instrument Rating PTS

Let me guess Jace, you have Bridewell for 221?
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Old June 9th, 2005, 09:58   #9
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Default Re: Need fast help with Instrument Rating PTS

[ QUOTE ]
Perhaps I should post a copy of the paper instructions:
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BAIF Methods Paper

[/ QUOTE ]Sounds like an excellent paper for a CFI-I candidate, but nonsensical make-work for an instrument student who'll have enough trouble figuring out one method. Especially when both are instrument interpretation =teaching= methods, not scanning techniques anyway.

Figure out what nonsense =they= want to hear and spit it out for them. Then get on with the business of learning.
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