GIA graduate

[Kingairer]

The only thing I would have done is making him a security selectee, thats just funny! Its Kinda like tickin' off people in traffic without it being obvious that youre trying to impede their progress....Im not the only one who does this am I?!

[Looking4Lower]

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Who are you anyway??? Are you the prince of Monaco or something???

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How DARE you imply that this man could be the glorious Prince of Monaco! The Prince of Monaco is none other than I, the one who is more commonly known by the username "Looking4Lower!"

Blasphemy!!!!

[RABIRZA69]

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Let's cut RABIRZA69 some slack! Everybody makes mistakes, you people act like you're perfect...You guy's bitch about PFT and GIA behind your computer screens, but when it's to the real deal in yo' face you guy's coward? Don't get me wrong, what he did was wrong but he's human and humans make mistakes. His reaction was the same reactions of most of the posts here against PFT/GIA; he just took it the extra mile and didn't hide behind the 'puter screen.

RABIRZA69, you f'd up but I give you props...

Next time try to rep your company a little better.

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thank you sometimes I let my temper get the best of me . What can I do im from brooklyn... either way its just frustrating to know that people actually go for this stuff. and think its perfectly ok.. somebody needs to let them know. while my way was far from perfect I felt at that moment that I had to let him know it was wrong.

[kellwolf]

Bottom line: you were rude, and it was uncalled for. Yeah, they guy is a borderline scab for buying his FO time (his words, even). However, that does not mean he basically needs to be metaphorically spat on. You might (god forbid) have to ride his jumpseat one day, and you'll probably have to find a different means of transportation.

Now, making him a selectee, that was genius. You could have done that, smiled and said "Have a nice day." Would have been good for me, and he would have never known you did it.

[DE727UPS]

I've got no problem with your methods, considering where you are from, and would highly recommend we all treat everyone who PFJ's at Gulfstream with extreme prejudice. For the good of the profession as we know it.

Seeing as how I'm from a kinder, more laid back, part of the country, I'd simply ask him how he figures perpetuating PFJ is good for aviation. I'd put it in a way that makes him think about his actions. But, chances are, he'd just look at you like he has no idea what you are talking about since he's been so successful as a CRJ Capt at PCL. I'm sure his ends justifies his means and it's a moot point.

You really want to be rude...next time ask him if it's true that PCL isn't hiring Guftstream grads anymore because of their propensity to be involved in major incidents.

Yeah, you are gonna be on this guys [censored] list forever. If he's on an interview board, he'll remember you and you're toast. Try to jumpseat on his plane, and you'll have to take the next flight. But, and I'm asking everyone, is that worth compromising what you believe in? Is it appropriate to just look the other way because of possible repercussions?

You've made your point and I think it's a point well made. Could you have made it more nicely? Yeah, but that wouldn't be in keeping with the way things are in your neck of the woods.

[DE727UPS]

"This might have been the most unprofessional thing I have ever read."

It ain't half as unprofessional as being a PFJer.....

[eeg]

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"This might have been the most unprofessional thing I have ever read."

It ain't half as unprofessional as being a PFJer.....

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[Sprint100]

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somebody needs to let them know

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LMAO....What exactly did you let him know?

[SteveC]

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I've got no problem with your methods, considering where you are from...
...You've made your point and I think it's a point well made. Could you have made it more nicely? Yeah, but that wouldn't be in keeping with the way things are in your neck of the woods.

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Since NY is known for rudeness it's OK to be rude if you're from NY?

I'm with Lain (oops...Iain) on this one. Rudeness does absolutely nothing for changing the guy's way of thinking. All it does is piss him off and entrench him in his position because of visceral reaction. Much better in my opinion to plant some seeds that he might actually think about as time goes by.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the worst thing about PFJ scams like GIA is that they work - for the individual. They are insidious for the pilot profession overall, but they can and do work on an individual basis. The difficult part is getting people to see that, while they may get a headstart on their personal career track, these programs are a killer for pilots' (all pilots) long term income potential.

[Mustang17c]

What is this being from NY=being rude nonsense. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, are you just playing to play up the stereotype? Rude people are found everywhere
While I agree with your beliefs, there was no reason to instigate in the manner you did, you were only stooping to his level.
There is no person more against PFT/PFJ crap than me, but by stooping to his level (his of ignorance, yours of bad manners and unprofessionalism) you are no better.

[EatSleepFly]

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so he goes on to say take my number down and call me when you have 200 ME time and i'll hook you up with someone who can get you a job

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I guess it didn't occur to you in your little fit of rage, but he probably meant that he'd help you get a job somewhere other than GIA.

I'm pretty sure you don't need 200 ME to go to GIA.

Pick your battles. Could've been a valuable bridge that you just torched.

[Flight_Watch]

Sorry if I am butting in on the conversation, but what is GIA exactly and why is it so looked down upon on this forum? Just trying to learn. Thanks.

[DE727UPS]

GIA is an airline where you pay money to get a job as a pilot to gain experience in multi-turbine aircraft. To me, it's an employment issue, not a training one. GIA's program pushes the boundry of how low you can take the career expectations of a pilot....airline management loves to see how far we will stoop just to chase the career.

If GIA's business model catches on in the biz, you'll be paying for a job at a legacy next.

[AZBigDog]

It will probably a pretty awkward moment if you were to come face to face with this individual once again, and he remembers how badly you treated him.

Being that you work in the position you do, chances are you will.

AZ

[naunga]

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"This might have been the most unprofessional thing I have ever read."

It ain't half as unprofessional as being a PFJer.....

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A couple of things...

First, from The Wikipedia:
Professional: "...behaving professionally would indicate that the person's actions remain in accordance with specific rules, written or unwritten, pertaining to behavior, dress, speech, etc."

From the TSA's website:
TSA's Pledge To Travelers


[/ QUOTE ]- We pledge to do everything we can to ensure that your flight is secure.
- We pledge to treat you with courtesy, dignity and respect during the screening process.
- We pledge that if additional screening is required, we will communicate and explain each step of the additional screening process.
- We pledge to honor your request for a private screening at any time during the screening process.
- We pledge that if additional screening of your person is required, it will be provided by a screener of the same gender.
- We pledge to accept all feedback and to consider your input as a vital part of our effort to continually enhance the screening experience.
- We pledge to respond to your comments in a timely manner.

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Please bear with me, I have a point here.

From ALPA's Code of Ethics:
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An Air Line Pilot will conduct his affairs with other members of the profession and with ALPA in such a manner as to bring credit to the profession and ALPA as well as to himself.

- He will not falsely or maliciously injure the professional reputation, prospects, or job security of another pilot, yet if he knows of professional incompetence or conduct detrimental to the profession or to ALPA, he will not shrink from revealing this to the proper authorities within ALPA, so that the weak member may be brought up to the standards demanded, or ALPA and the profession alike may be rid of one unworthy to share its rewards.

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Okay so here's the point.

As a member of the TSA, RABIRZA69 did not act professionally, because the rules he is to conduct his business under were violated, since he did not treat that pilot with courtesy and respect. I'm quite sure, that he also did not explain to the pilot that he was being chosen for additional screening, because RABIRZA69 didn't like the way he got to the cockpit. This is very definition of pettiness.

Had DE727UPS, Doug, or any other airline pilot here said what was said to this guy, they would have been justified, because they are airline pilots, while RABIRZA69 is not.

The bottom line, is that RABIRZA69 cross a boundry that exists between one profession and another. GA pilots in general get angry when people outside of our community complain about GA aircraft and airport noise. Most people respond with something like, "where do these people, who aren't pilots, get off telling us pilots what to do?"

So RABIRZA69, like it or not, you had no "right" to say and do what you did. Once you become a pilot, you can track this guy down and tell him what you think of GIA.

Naunga

[kellwolf]

Actually, I though Rab worked for B6, not TSA. Ticket counter agents CAN set people as selectees. Like Doug, I'm pleading the fifth on how it's done or what to look for on your boarding pass, but it can be done.

Don, there's no mistaking that PFJ is killing the industry. However, there is a time and place to pick the battle, and at work in a professional environment is neither the time nor the place. If they were somewhere carrying on a conversation and NOT at work, I'd have no problem with what Rab did. In fact, I woulda helped.