Urgent - Renewal

FlyChicaga · April 11th, 2005, 20:51

Ok, I just realized that this month my CFI expires. I need to renew it. I figure I should renew it! Any suggestions where I can do the renewal? I need to get this done quick, before the end of the month.

If it does expire, I just need to take a CFI checkride again, correct? Do I need checkrides for all my instructor ratings? CFI/CFII/MEI? It's been a while..........

JEP · April 11th, 2005, 20:55

not sure if you're a fan of AOPA or not, but here is the online option:

AOPA CFI Online renewal

Luftpost · April 11th, 2005, 20:55

Save yourself a lot of grief.....renew before it expires. I completed mine last month through Gleim. All in all it was pretty good. I researched all the online options and decided on Gleim. My second choice would have been AOPA/Jep.

The renewal covers all instructor ratings.

L.

FlyChicaga · April 11th, 2005, 21:01

How much does it cost?

JEP · April 11th, 2005, 21:13

AOPA...$119
Gleim...

FlyChicaga · April 11th, 2005, 21:15

Thanks

shinysideup · April 11th, 2005, 21:29

Whats your experience in the last 24 months as far as flight instructing goes? Reason being, I just renewed my CFI through the FSDO, so long as you have (dont quote exact numbers) I think 5 sign offs with at least an 80% pass rate within the previous 24 cal. months you only have to make an appointment with the FSDO, and provide documentation of sign offs..(in my case notes written in the back of my logbook with date, name of applicant, type of check ride, examiner, and pass/fail was enough). Then after that they reissue you a new CFI good for another 2 years.

Good Luck

JEP · April 11th, 2005, 21:29

Gleim looks about the $99.00:

Here's the Gleim Info page

Google is Great !!!!

A300Capt · April 11th, 2005, 21:31

I renew mine online through Gliem (sp?). I can usually knock it out over the weekend. I think it'a about $99 or so. There are several online renewal services.

Yes, if it expires, you will have to do the practical test again (a real pain for those of us away from GA) or do an add-on CFI rating.

DE727UPS · April 11th, 2005, 21:38

I do Gleim as well. I once let my CFI expire and it was a major mistake. When I did the checkride to renew with a DE, I was flying a 172. The DE said I'd lose the MEI cause I wasn't flying a twin, could only renew CFI and CFII. After the ride, he was referencing my old certificate as he wrote out the new one and wrote MEI on the new one. Not sure if it was an accident or what but I kept my mouth shut. Gleim is the best way to do it online with the minimum of pain. Be careful, though, as they have a minimum time prior to your expiration to process your paperwork. You can find out at their website.

FlyChicaga · April 11th, 2005, 21:43

Yeah I'll have to go to the FSDO. I didn't even realize it was up for renewal, since I haven't instructed in over two years. I got my MEI after I instructed, so I've never actually instructed since I've received my "final" CFI certificate.

shinysideup · April 11th, 2005, 22:40

well if you havent instrcted in the last 24 months, no need to go to the FSDO, you will not meet the requirements

jonnyb · April 11th, 2005, 22:49

American Flyers, Flight Instructor Renewal Course. $125 and renew for life. Good deal. I did it.....pretty painless. Here's the LINK .

FlyChicaga · April 11th, 2005, 23:04

No I have to go to the FSDO with proof of doing the refresher course, because you need 3 months lead time to renew using most of these services.

I really doubt I'll instruct in the future, especially considering my minimal instructor experience. But I would like to fly as an IOE Check Airman and Line Check Airman someday, so I think I need the CFI...

A300Capt · April 11th, 2005, 23:31

[ QUOTE ]
But I would like to fly as an IOE Check Airman and Line Check Airman someday, so I think I need the CFI

[/ QUOTE ]

The GA CFI and an IOE instructor for the airlines are two totally different things. A type rating, time in seat based on your company's requirements and a FAA observation ride are the only requirements to becoming an IOE instructor. Basically the same thing, minus the FAA observation, for company sim instructor.

A300Capt · April 11th, 2005, 23:33

BTW, I think you can take the online renewal course and it'll print you out a completion certificate that you can take down to the local FSDO.

jonnyb · April 11th, 2005, 23:35

[ QUOTE ]
No I have to go to the FSDO with proof of doing the refresher course, because you need 3 months lead time to renew using most of these services.

I really doubt I'll instruct in the future, especially considering my minimal instructor experience. But I would like to fly as an IOE Check Airman and Line Check Airman someday, so I think I need the CFI...

[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, I had to do the same thing. I lucked out, it only took about 20 mins. at the FSDO.

USMCmech · April 11th, 2005, 23:52

[ QUOTE ]
No I have to go to the FSDO with proof of doing the refresher course, because you need 3 months lead time to renew using most of these services.

[/ QUOTE ]

I did mine last month with American Flyers. You basicly study the stuff on their website for the required amount of time, take the quizes, and print your certificate.

If you want them to do the paperwork for you, you have to mail it in.

I just took the certificate to the FSDO, filled out an 8710, and they handed me my new temp CFI.

Very easy.

chrisdahut1 · April 12th, 2005, 00:34

[ QUOTE ]
When I did the checkride to renew with a DE, I was flying a 172. The DE said I'd lose the MEI cause I wasn't flying a twin, could only renew CFI and CFII.

[/ QUOTE ]

That sounded odd, so I referenced 61.199(a): "The holder of a flight instructor certificate may exchange that certificate for a new certificate with the same ratings by passing a practical test as prescribed in 61.183(h) of this part for one of the ratings listed on the expired flight instructor certificate."

As for passing a checkride for an additional CFI rating (e.g.- have an expired CFI/II and want to knock out an MEI and re-instatement ride at the same time), as far as I know it can't be done. Had a friend who tried that a few years ago. It has to be a ride for one of the ratings listed in the old cert (italicized above).

I did the American Flyers thing 2 years ago, and was satisfied. Only complaints were that the course wasn't too well designed and I particularly disliked the overly demanding GPS section at the end. However, as a poor CFI, couldn't beat $99 for life time renewal!

As for the time concern....this is something you'll have to get done right away. The flyers course requires 16 hours of study time that took me about 1 to 2 weeks to get finished comfortably. I would also avoid the ACR option as I believe it takes longer and costs more. I found it much easier and quicker to print out the certificate, fill out my own 8710 and drive down to the FSDO. Saved me $25 too!

Good luck!

Kingairer · April 12th, 2005, 00:48

With the AOPA thing you just have to finish and send it in by the end of the month for you to retain your current date. It takes a good while to do it. There is 16 lessons that take about 40-60 min each. Just finished it a few weeks ago. I recomend it, it wasnt to bad at all.

A300Capt · April 12th, 2005, 09:45

[ QUOTE ]
As for passing a checkride for an additional CFI rating (e.g.- have an expired CFI/II and want to knock out an MEI and re-instatement ride at the same time), as far as I know it can't be done.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, that's exactly how I did it years ago. My CFI/II had expired. A fellow UPS pilot was a designee and he gave me a ride in a Seneca for an add-on MEI which renewed everything.

StevenL · April 12th, 2005, 09:57

I just finished mine through Gleim and was happy with the course. I opted for Gleim to process the renewal for me. The total cost was $125.00.

Good luck.

April 11th, 2005, 20:51	#1
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,833	Urgent - Renewal Ok, I just realized that this month my CFI expires. I need to renew it. I figure I should renew it! Any suggestions where I can do the renewal? I need to get this done quick, before the end of the month. If it does expire, I just need to take a CFI checkride again, correct? Do I need checkrides for all my instructor ratings? CFI/CFII/MEI? It's been a while..........

April 11th, 2005, 20:55	#2
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,887 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Urgent - Renewal not sure if you're a fan of AOPA or not, but here is the online option: AOPA CFI Online renewal

April 11th, 2005, 20:55	#3
Luftpost Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Missouri Posts: 89	Re: Urgent - Renewal Save yourself a lot of grief.....renew before it expires. I completed mine last month through Gleim. All in all it was pretty good. I researched all the online options and decided on Gleim. My second choice would have been AOPA/Jep. The renewal covers all instructor ratings. L.

April 11th, 2005, 21:01	#4
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,833	Re: Urgent - Renewal How much does it cost?

April 11th, 2005, 21:13	#5
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,887 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Urgent - Renewal AOPA...$119 Gleim...

April 11th, 2005, 21:15	#6
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,833	Re: Urgent - Renewal Thanks

April 11th, 2005, 21:29	#7
shinysideup Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio, no, Florida, Michigan, Atl, no, Cape Cod, LA, no I am in DC now!!! Posts: 427	Re: Urgent - Renewal Whats your experience in the last 24 months as far as flight instructing goes? Reason being, I just renewed my CFI through the FSDO, so long as you have (dont quote exact numbers) I think 5 sign offs with at least an 80% pass rate within the previous 24 cal. months you only have to make an appointment with the FSDO, and provide documentation of sign offs..(in my case notes written in the back of my logbook with date, name of applicant, type of check ride, examiner, and pass/fail was enough). Then after that they reissue you a new CFI good for another 2 years. Good Luck

April 11th, 2005, 21:29	#8
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,887 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Urgent - Renewal Gleim looks about the $99.00: Here's the Gleim Info page Google is Great !!!!

April 11th, 2005, 21:31	#9
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 711	Re: Urgent - Renewal I renew mine online through Gliem (sp?). I can usually knock it out over the weekend. I think it'a about $99 or so. There are several online renewal services. Yes, if it expires, you will have to do the practical test again (a real pain for those of us away from GA) or do an add-on CFI rating.

April 11th, 2005, 21:38	#10
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,546	Re: Urgent - Renewal I do Gleim as well. I once let my CFI expire and it was a major mistake. When I did the checkride to renew with a DE, I was flying a 172. The DE said I'd lose the MEI cause I wasn't flying a twin, could only renew CFI and CFII. After the ride, he was referencing my old certificate as he wrote out the new one and wrote MEI on the new one. Not sure if it was an accident or what but I kept my mouth shut. Gleim is the best way to do it online with the minimum of pain. Be careful, though, as they have a minimum time prior to your expiration to process your paperwork. You can find out at their website.

April 11th, 2005, 21:43	#11
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,833	Re: Urgent - Renewal Yeah I'll have to go to the FSDO. I didn't even realize it was up for renewal, since I haven't instructed in over two years. I got my MEI after I instructed, so I've never actually instructed since I've received my "final" CFI certificate.

April 11th, 2005, 22:40	#12
shinysideup Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio, no, Florida, Michigan, Atl, no, Cape Cod, LA, no I am in DC now!!! Posts: 427	Re: Urgent - Renewal well if you havent instrcted in the last 24 months, no need to go to the FSDO, you will not meet the requirements

April 11th, 2005, 22:49	#13
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: Urgent - Renewal American Flyers, Flight Instructor Renewal Course. $125 and renew for life. Good deal. I did it.....pretty painless. Here's the LINK .

April 11th, 2005, 23:04	#14
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,833	Re: Urgent - Renewal No I have to go to the FSDO with proof of doing the refresher course, because you need 3 months lead time to renew using most of these services. I really doubt I'll instruct in the future, especially considering my minimal instructor experience. But I would like to fly as an IOE Check Airman and Line Check Airman someday, so I think I need the CFI...

April 11th, 2005, 23:31	#15
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 711	Re: Urgent - Renewal [ QUOTE ] But I would like to fly as an IOE Check Airman and Line Check Airman someday, so I think I need the CFI [/ QUOTE ] The GA CFI and an IOE instructor for the airlines are two totally different things. A type rating, time in seat based on your company's requirements and a FAA observation ride are the only requirements to becoming an IOE instructor. Basically the same thing, minus the FAA observation, for company sim instructor.

April 11th, 2005, 23:33	#16
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 711	Re: Urgent - Renewal BTW, I think you can take the online renewal course and it'll print you out a completion certificate that you can take down to the local FSDO.

April 11th, 2005, 23:35	#17
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: Urgent - Renewal [ QUOTE ] No I have to go to the FSDO with proof of doing the refresher course, because you need 3 months lead time to renew using most of these services. I really doubt I'll instruct in the future, especially considering my minimal instructor experience. But I would like to fly as an IOE Check Airman and Line Check Airman someday, so I think I need the CFI... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I had to do the same thing. I lucked out, it only took about 20 mins. at the FSDO.

April 11th, 2005, 23:52	#18
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,644	Re: Urgent - Renewal [ QUOTE ] No I have to go to the FSDO with proof of doing the refresher course, because you need 3 months lead time to renew using most of these services. [/ QUOTE ] I did mine last month with American Flyers. You basicly study the stuff on their website for the required amount of time, take the quizes, and print your certificate. If you want them to do the paperwork for you, you have to mail it in. I just took the certificate to the FSDO, filled out an 8710, and they handed me my new temp CFI. Very easy.

April 12th, 2005, 00:34	#19
chrisdahut1 Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Louisville, KY & Florida Posts: 268	Re: Urgent - Renewal [ QUOTE ] When I did the checkride to renew with a DE, I was flying a 172. The DE said I'd lose the MEI cause I wasn't flying a twin, could only renew CFI and CFII. [/ QUOTE ] That sounded odd, so I referenced 61.199(a): "The holder of a flight instructor certificate may exchange that certificate for a new certificate with the same ratings by passing a practical test as prescribed in 61.183(h) of this part for one of the ratings listed on the expired flight instructor certificate." As for passing a checkride for an additional CFI rating (e.g.- have an expired CFI/II and want to knock out an MEI and re-instatement ride at the same time), as far as I know it can't be done. Had a friend who tried that a few years ago. It has to be a ride for one of the ratings listed in the old cert (italicized above). I did the American Flyers thing 2 years ago, and was satisfied. Only complaints were that the course wasn't too well designed and I particularly disliked the overly demanding GPS section at the end. However, as a poor CFI, couldn't beat $99 for life time renewal! As for the time concern....this is something you'll have to get done right away. The flyers course requires 16 hours of study time that took me about 1 to 2 weeks to get finished comfortably. I would also avoid the ACR option as I believe it takes longer and costs more. I found it much easier and quicker to print out the certificate, fill out my own 8710 and drive down to the FSDO. Saved me $25 too! Good luck!

April 12th, 2005, 00:48	#20
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,190	Re: Urgent - Renewal With the AOPA thing you just have to finish and send it in by the end of the month for you to retain your current date. It takes a good while to do it. There is 16 lessons that take about 40-60 min each. Just finished it a few weeks ago. I recomend it, it wasnt to bad at all.

April 12th, 2005, 09:45	#21
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 711	Re: Urgent - Renewal [ QUOTE ] As for passing a checkride for an additional CFI rating (e.g.- have an expired CFI/II and want to knock out an MEI and re-instatement ride at the same time), as far as I know it can't be done. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, that's exactly how I did it years ago. My CFI/II had expired. A fellow UPS pilot was a designee and he gave me a ride in a Seneca for an add-on MEI which renewed everything.

April 12th, 2005, 09:57	#22
StevenL Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Western New York Posts: 59	Re: Urgent - Renewal I just finished mine through Gleim and was happy with the course. I opted for Gleim to process the renewal for me. The total cost was $125.00. Good luck.

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