Scenic Airlines

Maximillian_Jenius · April 10th, 2005, 19:42

I have heard several people talk about Scenic Airlines in many different threads on this board.
From what I have gathered there a sightseeing airline. (Hopefully not one in the same that routinely end up on the floor of the Grand Canyon.)
Okay some questions? Do they have a website? I tried scenicairlines.com and scenicair or scenic-air.com but nothing ever comes up?
Second what kind of aircraft do they operate? What are there hiring minimums.
They sound like a great way to build PIC time fast toward the regionals/majors.
I might look into them maybe after instructing for a time if not competitive for regionals an such as a way to look more attractive on a resume...any info one could give would be helpful.

-Matthew

ATP · April 10th, 2005, 19:49

Scenic

Maximillian_Jenius · April 11th, 2005, 01:15

Thanks for the very informative link. Any former or current Scenic pilots on this board and want to post there advice/opinion bout the company.
Lastly their hiring process is it easy hard what?

-Matthew

kellwolf · April 11th, 2005, 01:37

From what I've heard, their hiring is hit or miss. I think pscraig knows some guys from the time he spent instructing in Vegas, and I THINK Bill (Amber's Bill) used to fly for Scenic a while back.

scoobs · April 11th, 2005, 02:06

Don't apply unless you have the mins or your file will go to the garbage.If you get on with the mins chances are you will upgrade at 1500 hrs.Most people move on because the time is really not that valuable.I have a friend who left at 1200 hrs to Ameriflight and upgraded in 4 months to the 99.Single pilot freight time looks better to the majors.Good luck

pscraig · April 11th, 2005, 02:20

Most people I know that flew for Scenic loved it. It's hot, bumpy, lots of hand flying for very little money. But you build time quickly. As noted above it's a place you work for a while and move on. The training is good however, and you get jumpseat priveleges on other airlines. It's a good outfit.

kellwolf · April 11th, 2005, 02:33

I also saw they have insurance, too. Something that you don't get as an indepedent contractor/CFI. I've actually thought a lot about sending in my resume once I get the mins.

Doug Taylor · April 11th, 2005, 03:00

Speaking of that, I had the pleasure of explaining to my parents why after five years at Riddle and landing my second job how I needed to borrow some cash to go see the doctor about a sinus infection.

Health insurance is certainly important!

MQAAord · April 11th, 2005, 10:06

Yup, Bill flew for scenic for about a year back in 1994/95. He left Scenic for Eagle in May of 1995. He had a very positive experience there. The pay wasn't great , but it built him some hours and he moved on. There were guys there who pretty much made a life of it though, some for QOL reasons, (didn't want to leave Vegas), and others just liked the flying and had no desire to go airline.

It obviously has been a while, and the way things were then may or may not be the way there are now, but he was very happy with the experience. He was able to quasi-commute, America West offered jumpseats to Scenic guys so he came home to Chicago a lot. His girlfriend (at the time) was here (bitch, but that's another story), as was his family, but he was able to get home quite frequently.

Here he is in the right seat of a Twin Otter:

adreamer · April 11th, 2005, 10:26

[ QUOTE ]
His girlfriend (at the time) was here (bitch, but that's another story), as was his family, but he was able to get home quite frequently.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would like to hear that story. By the way, were you on Jerry Springer's show once?...

Just kidding. Just kidding

adreamer
ps: how's new baby?

SteveC · April 11th, 2005, 10:28

....gotta love the glasses.....

(I've got a few pair like that still on the shelf if anyone wants to buy 'em)

JayAre · April 11th, 2005, 12:20

Good way to build turbine time and they know that and pay according. They fly the "twotter" and the 1900 into a few subsidized routes out of north town. 15 hr days at $12.50 flying time and $6.25 sitting time. trainging contracts prorated $7000 for the otter meaning you get hired and leave in one month you will pay around $6000 after six months $0. If your single (no family or other commitment), want the vegas night life, and build time this is a good way to go. there are other canyon operators such as Grand Canyon Airlines(Otter) out of KGCN and American Aviaiton C-207,C-206 out of page with Westwind with C-208 both out of KPGA, Than King out of Henderson using C-402.

MQAAord · April 11th, 2005, 13:44

[ QUOTE ]
I would like to hear that story.

[/ QUOTE ]

He was dating his best friend's sister. Turns out she couldn't deal with the 'pilot's wife life' and him being away all the time. She found herself a new boyfriend, once the new relationship was secure she sent Bill packing. A very cruel, heartless thing to do to a nice guy like Bill.

[ QUOTE ]
By the way, were you on Jerry Springer's show once?...

Just kidding. Just kidding

[/ QUOTE ]

No.

[ QUOTE ]
ps: how's new baby?

[/ QUOTE ]

He's doing good. Gaining weight like a trooper and is now only up to eat once in the night. He's finally starting to fit in his 0-3 month clothes!

Sprint100 · April 11th, 2005, 15:34

[ QUOTE ]
Gaining weight like a trooper and is now only up to eat once in the night. He's finally starting to fit in his 0-3 month clothes!

[/ QUOTE ]

Glad to hear that!!!! My daughter was early by 3 weeks and once I realized how big she was getting, it put a big Kool-Aid smile on my face!!!

BCTAv8r · April 11th, 2005, 16:00

Scenic Airlines is currently accepting applications from pilots with the following qualifications:

DHC-6-300 Captain:

* Airline Transport Pilot
* Multi-Engine Land
* Airplane
* Current First Class Medical
* 2500 TT
* 1000 PIC
* 500 ME Turbo-Prop PIC
* DHC-6-300 experience preferred
* IFR current

DHC-6-300 First Officer:

* Commercial Pilot
* Multi-Engine Land
* Instrument
* Airplane
* Current First Class Medical
* 600 TT
* 400 PIC
* 50 ME
* IFR current
* At least 21 years of age

MQAAord · April 11th, 2005, 16:01

He started at 3lbs 9oz, and at last check (2 weeks ago) was up to 6 lbs 13 oz. So he's over 7 lbs now and doing great.

But back to Scenic, I mentioned this thread to Bill just now and he said too that he was happy working for Scenic from an operations standpoint. They had a top-notch operation, and great, well-maintained equipment. He really has no complaints about his time there. Again, this was 10 years ago. Don't know if it's the same now as it was then.

Maximillian_Jenius · April 11th, 2005, 17:34

[ QUOTE ]
DHC-6-300 First Officer:

* Commercial Pilot
* Multi-Engine Land
* Instrument
* Airplane
* Current First Class Medical
* 600 TT
* 400 PIC
* 50 ME
* IFR current
* At least 21 years of age

[/ QUOTE ]

Those are really good mins. Hopefully there still hiring when I get done with ATP next summer. Good alternate if can't get an instructor position anywhere.
It's turbine time they have insurance and jumpseat privilages. Someone mentioned HP anyone know if they WN jumpseat privilages?

-Matthew

kellwolf · April 11th, 2005, 17:54

I think they have jumpseat with HP because of the "supplemental carrier" stuff. They probably use HP's reservation system, and the jump seat is part of the deal. I wouldn't hold my breathe on WN.

scoobs · April 11th, 2005, 18:11

Another good thing is they fly a lot.I was talking to a captian there and he said between 600-800 hrs a year.

250blue · April 11th, 2005, 20:07

I was hired there a while ago but did not take the job (another opportunity came up). I have a couple friends there and some who have moved on, all seemed to have like it. I would take it as a substitute to unstructing maybe. Interview was easy, study the ATP, and there is a basic sim ride.

April 10th, 2005, 19:42	#1
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,793	Scenic Airlines I have heard several people talk about Scenic Airlines in many different threads on this board. From what I have gathered there a sightseeing airline. (Hopefully not one in the same that routinely end up on the floor of the Grand Canyon.) Okay some questions? Do they have a website? I tried scenicairlines.com and scenicair or scenic-air.com but nothing ever comes up? Second what kind of aircraft do they operate? What are there hiring minimums. They sound like a great way to build PIC time fast toward the regionals/majors. I might look into them maybe after instructing for a time if not competitive for regionals an such as a way to look more attractive on a resume...any info one could give would be helpful. -Matthew

April 10th, 2005, 19:49	#2
ATP Newbie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 15	Re: Scenic Airlines Scenic

April 11th, 2005, 01:15	#3
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,793	Re: Scenic Airlines Thanks for the very informative link. Any former or current Scenic pilots on this board and want to post there advice/opinion bout the company. Lastly their hiring process is it easy hard what? -Matthew

April 11th, 2005, 01:37	#4
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Scenic Airlines From what I've heard, their hiring is hit or miss. I think pscraig knows some guys from the time he spent instructing in Vegas, and I THINK Bill (Amber's Bill) used to fly for Scenic a while back.

April 11th, 2005, 02:06	#5
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 677	Re: Scenic Airlines Don't apply unless you have the mins or your file will go to the garbage.If you get on with the mins chances are you will upgrade at 1500 hrs.Most people move on because the time is really not that valuable.I have a friend who left at 1200 hrs to Ameriflight and upgraded in 4 months to the 99.Single pilot freight time looks better to the majors.Good luck

April 11th, 2005, 02:20	#6
pscraig Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,021	Re: Scenic Airlines Most people I know that flew for Scenic loved it. It's hot, bumpy, lots of hand flying for very little money. But you build time quickly. As noted above it's a place you work for a while and move on. The training is good however, and you get jumpseat priveleges on other airlines. It's a good outfit.

April 11th, 2005, 02:33	#7
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Scenic Airlines I also saw they have insurance, too. Something that you don't get as an indepedent contractor/CFI. I've actually thought a lot about sending in my resume once I get the mins.

April 11th, 2005, 03:00	#8
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Scenic Airlines Speaking of that, I had the pleasure of explaining to my parents why after five years at Riddle and landing my second job how I needed to borrow some cash to go see the doctor about a sinus infection. Health insurance is certainly important!

April 11th, 2005, 10:06	#9
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,042	Re: Scenic Airlines Yup, Bill flew for scenic for about a year back in 1994/95. He left Scenic for Eagle in May of 1995. He had a very positive experience there. The pay wasn't great , but it built him some hours and he moved on. There were guys there who pretty much made a life of it though, some for QOL reasons, (didn't want to leave Vegas), and others just liked the flying and had no desire to go airline. It obviously has been a while, and the way things were then may or may not be the way there are now, but he was very happy with the experience. He was able to quasi-commute, America West offered jumpseats to Scenic guys so he came home to Chicago a lot. His girlfriend (at the time) was here (bitch, but that's another story), as was his family, but he was able to get home quite frequently. Here he is in the right seat of a Twin Otter:

April 11th, 2005, 10:26	#10
adreamer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: AZO Posts: 1,325	Re: Scenic Airlines [ QUOTE ] His girlfriend (at the time) was here (bitch, but that's another story), as was his family, but he was able to get home quite frequently. [/ QUOTE ] I would like to hear that story. By the way, were you on Jerry Springer's show once?... Just kidding. Just kidding adreamer ps: how's new baby?

April 11th, 2005, 10:28	#11
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,435	Re: Scenic Airlines ....gotta love the glasses..... (I've got a few pair like that still on the shelf if anyone wants to buy 'em)

April 11th, 2005, 12:20	#12
JayAre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Multiple Posts: 1,002	Re: Scenic Airlines Good way to build turbine time and they know that and pay according. They fly the "twotter" and the 1900 into a few subsidized routes out of north town. 15 hr days at $12.50 flying time and $6.25 sitting time. trainging contracts prorated $7000 for the otter meaning you get hired and leave in one month you will pay around $6000 after six months $0. If your single (no family or other commitment), want the vegas night life, and build time this is a good way to go. there are other canyon operators such as Grand Canyon Airlines(Otter) out of KGCN and American Aviaiton C-207,C-206 out of page with Westwind with C-208 both out of KPGA, Than King out of Henderson using C-402.

April 11th, 2005, 13:44	#13
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,042	Re: Scenic Airlines [ QUOTE ] I would like to hear that story. [/ QUOTE ] He was dating his best friend's sister. Turns out she couldn't deal with the 'pilot's wife life' and him being away all the time. She found herself a new boyfriend, once the new relationship was secure she sent Bill packing. A very cruel, heartless thing to do to a nice guy like Bill. [ QUOTE ] By the way, were you on Jerry Springer's show once?... Just kidding. Just kidding [/ QUOTE ] No. [ QUOTE ] ps: how's new baby? [/ QUOTE ] He's doing good. Gaining weight like a trooper and is now only up to eat once in the night. He's finally starting to fit in his 0-3 month clothes!

April 11th, 2005, 15:34	#14
Sprint100 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 5,939	Re: Scenic Airlines [ QUOTE ] Gaining weight like a trooper and is now only up to eat once in the night. He's finally starting to fit in his 0-3 month clothes! [/ QUOTE ] Glad to hear that!!!! My daughter was early by 3 weeks and once I realized how big she was getting, it put a big Kool-Aid smile on my face!!!

April 11th, 2005, 16:00	#15
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,059	Re: Scenic Airlines Scenic Airlines is currently accepting applications from pilots with the following qualifications: DHC-6-300 Captain: * Airline Transport Pilot * Multi-Engine Land * Airplane * Current First Class Medical * 2500 TT * 1000 PIC * 500 ME Turbo-Prop PIC * DHC-6-300 experience preferred * IFR current DHC-6-300 First Officer: * Commercial Pilot * Multi-Engine Land * Instrument * Airplane * Current First Class Medical * 600 TT * 400 PIC * 50 ME * IFR current * At least 21 years of age

April 11th, 2005, 16:01	#16
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,042	Re: Scenic Airlines He started at 3lbs 9oz, and at last check (2 weeks ago) was up to 6 lbs 13 oz. So he's over 7 lbs now and doing great. But back to Scenic, I mentioned this thread to Bill just now and he said too that he was happy working for Scenic from an operations standpoint. They had a top-notch operation, and great, well-maintained equipment. He really has no complaints about his time there. Again, this was 10 years ago. Don't know if it's the same now as it was then.

April 11th, 2005, 17:34	#17
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,793	Re: Scenic Airlines [ QUOTE ] DHC-6-300 First Officer: * Commercial Pilot * Multi-Engine Land * Instrument * Airplane * Current First Class Medical * 600 TT * 400 PIC * 50 ME * IFR current * At least 21 years of age [/ QUOTE ] Those are really good mins. Hopefully there still hiring when I get done with ATP next summer. Good alternate if can't get an instructor position anywhere. It's turbine time they have insurance and jumpseat privilages. Someone mentioned HP anyone know if they WN jumpseat privilages? -Matthew

April 11th, 2005, 17:54	#18
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Scenic Airlines I think they have jumpseat with HP because of the "supplemental carrier" stuff. They probably use HP's reservation system, and the jump seat is part of the deal. I wouldn't hold my breathe on WN.

April 11th, 2005, 18:11	#19
scoobs Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 677	Re: Scenic Airlines Another good thing is they fly a lot.I was talking to a captian there and he said between 600-800 hrs a year.

April 11th, 2005, 20:07	#20
250blue Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 130	Re: Scenic Airlines I was hired there a while ago but did not take the job (another opportunity came up). I have a couple friends there and some who have moved on, all seemed to have like it. I would take it as a substitute to unstructing maybe. Interview was easy, study the ATP, and there is a basic sim ride.

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