Quick Question

Tazman282 · April 4th, 2005, 20:24

I was just wondering if there was a website out there with the upgrade times for the airlines in general? Thanks

Doug Taylor · April 4th, 2005, 20:25

If there was, I'd certainly take any data with a huge grain of salt.

Good thread about upgrades, et al.

flyover · April 4th, 2005, 20:31

Reminds me of when my FOs used to tell me their "plans" for upgrade. Usually went something like this: "Yeah, I'm going to fly this (-88) for a year or two, then go over to the 76 for a year and come back to this as captain. Should be able to hold a line by then."

My response was: "Good plan! That should mean I'm an MD-11 captain by then. I'm all for it!"

Doug Taylor · April 4th, 2005, 20:35

I can actually fly everything but the 777, but I'm just lazy!

Tazman282 · April 4th, 2005, 20:45

Well I am actually just looking to gain a better understanding of what regionals upgrade the fastest and have the most movement.

Doug Taylor · April 4th, 2005, 21:00

The other thread didn't help much?

jtrain609 · April 4th, 2005, 21:06

The other thread is BS! F this forum, I'm going to Gulfstream!

Texguy · April 4th, 2005, 21:13

Doug Taylor · April 4th, 2005, 21:15

[ QUOTE ]
The other thread is BS! F this forum, I'm going to Gulfstream!

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey, lemme sell you a spool of flight line for your trip. It's a $3,000 value, but I'll let you have it for $500!

Maximillian_Jenius · April 4th, 2005, 21:20

[ QUOTE ]
I can actually fly everything but the 777, but I'm just lazy!

[/ QUOTE ]

Not lazy you just value QOL....

-Matthew

Timbuff10 · April 4th, 2005, 21:32

Out of curiosity I am guessing that if you were to move over to the 737 that would be a downgrade for you since it holds less pax? Your seniority/QOL would go up though wouldn't it? What about the 57? I am also guessing your base would change also with any equipment change?

Why not SLC since it's closer to home?

jtrain609 · April 4th, 2005, 21:37

Does purchasing this flight line get me a discount on your Jet Blue direct program?

Maximillian_Jenius · April 4th, 2005, 21:37

[ QUOTE ]

Why not SLC since it's closer to home?

[/ QUOTE ]

Can't speak for him but it's prolly the loads! I have friends in SLC and if I fly DL it's always on a 50 seat RJ....yuck! That thing is like a prison space is so tight.
So it's Southwest for me but that flight is always,always full an double booked outa PHX,LAX,LAS to SLC.

-matthew

Doug Taylor · April 4th, 2005, 21:42

[ QUOTE ]
Out of curiosity I am guessing that if you were to move over to the 737 that would be a downgrade for you since it holds less pax?

[/ QUOTE ]

Depends. If I went to the 737 category (-200 systemwide and only the -300 non-EFIS in SLC), it'd be a 'downgrade'.

If I went to the 737-800, it would be an 'upgrade' because it carries more passengers and pays more than the MD-88/90.

[ QUOTE ]
Your seniority/QOL would go up though wouldn't it?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd have great seniority on the -200's and -300's, but not as good on the 737-800.

[ QUOTE ]
What about the 57? I am also guessing your base would change also with any equipment change?

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe. I'm kind of holding out for the 767ER because I want to 'go somewhere' as opposed to doing what I'm doing now in a larger aircraft. ATL has been a very easy commute, predictable and I can use my own airline or America West (very commuter friendly). Like tomorrow morning the flight is oversold, but I was able to prebook the jumpseat in order to get to work a few days ago. Can only be bumped by a FAA inspector or a check airmen I think.

[ QUOTE ]
Why not SLC since it's closer to home?

[/ QUOTE ]

There's a zillion people commuting from PHX to SLC, I can't prebook a jumpseat because they're mostly CRJ's and anyone knows that a wee bit of weather plus a CRJ means that the jumpseater probably won't make it on the flight!

I'd be in the top 10 on the seniority list on the MD-90 in SLC but since it'd involve 'differences training' (even though I've probably got more -90 time than -88 time), it'd mean that I couldn't 'bid off' the -88/90 for two years.

Bummer.

All of my Della' SouthernJet croanies here in Arizona commute to SLC and a few to LAX.

mpenguin1 · April 4th, 2005, 21:45

[ QUOTE ]
Hey, lemme sell you a spool of flight line for your trip. It's a $3,000 value, but I'll let you have it for $500!

[/ QUOTE ]

What is the going rate for some prop-wash?

crashmbern · April 4th, 2005, 21:48

prop wash and some flight line. reminds me of being a line guy and having a new guy that doesn't know anything about aviation.

adam

seagull · April 4th, 2005, 23:43

That crew pay or airline pilot pay, which ever it is, shows estimated upgrade times, and the site owner keeps it up about as well as anybody can. Can't recall the URL right now.

seagull · April 5th, 2005, 03:13

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/

April 4th, 2005, 20:24	#1
Tazman282 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 101	Quick Question I was just wondering if there was a website out there with the upgrade times for the airlines in general? Thanks

April 4th, 2005, 20:25	#2
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Quick Answer If there was, I'd certainly take any data with a huge grain of salt. Good thread about upgrades, et al.

April 4th, 2005, 20:31	#3
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Quick Answer Reminds me of when my FOs used to tell me their "plans" for upgrade. Usually went something like this: "Yeah, I'm going to fly this (-88) for a year or two, then go over to the 76 for a year and come back to this as captain. Should be able to hold a line by then." My response was: "Good plan! That should mean I'm an MD-11 captain by then. I'm all for it!"

April 4th, 2005, 20:35	#4
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Quick Answer I can actually fly everything but the 777, but I'm just lazy!

April 4th, 2005, 20:45	#5
Tazman282 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 101	Re: Quick Answer Well I am actually just looking to gain a better understanding of what regionals upgrade the fastest and have the most movement.

April 4th, 2005, 21:00	#6
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Quick Answer The other thread didn't help much?

April 4th, 2005, 21:06	#7
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,290	Re: Quick Answer The other thread is BS! F this forum, I'm going to Gulfstream!

April 4th, 2005, 21:13	#8
Texguy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: KAUS Posts: 850	Re: Quick Answer

April 4th, 2005, 21:15	#9
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Quick Answer [ QUOTE ] The other thread is BS! F this forum, I'm going to Gulfstream! [/ QUOTE ] Hey, lemme sell you a spool of flight line for your trip. It's a $3,000 value, but I'll let you have it for $500!

April 4th, 2005, 21:20	#10
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,796	Re: Quick Answer [ QUOTE ] I can actually fly everything but the 777, but I'm just lazy! [/ QUOTE ] Not lazy you just value QOL.... -Matthew

April 4th, 2005, 21:32	#11
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,234	Re: Quick Answer Out of curiosity I am guessing that if you were to move over to the 737 that would be a downgrade for you since it holds less pax? Your seniority/QOL would go up though wouldn't it? What about the 57? I am also guessing your base would change also with any equipment change? Why not SLC since it's closer to home?

April 4th, 2005, 21:37	#12
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,290	Re: Quick Answer Does purchasing this flight line get me a discount on your Jet Blue direct program?

April 4th, 2005, 21:37	#13
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,796	Re: Quick Answer [ QUOTE ] Why not SLC since it's closer to home? [/ QUOTE ] Can't speak for him but it's prolly the loads! I have friends in SLC and if I fly DL it's always on a 50 seat RJ....yuck! That thing is like a prison space is so tight. So it's Southwest for me but that flight is always,always full an double booked outa PHX,LAX,LAS to SLC. -matthew

April 4th, 2005, 21:42	#14
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Quick Answer [ QUOTE ] Out of curiosity I am guessing that if you were to move over to the 737 that would be a downgrade for you since it holds less pax? [/ QUOTE ] Depends. If I went to the 737 category (-200 systemwide and only the -300 non-EFIS in SLC), it'd be a 'downgrade'. If I went to the 737-800, it would be an 'upgrade' because it carries more passengers and pays more than the MD-88/90. [ QUOTE ] Your seniority/QOL would go up though wouldn't it? [/ QUOTE ] I'd have great seniority on the -200's and -300's, but not as good on the 737-800. [ QUOTE ] What about the 57? I am also guessing your base would change also with any equipment change? [/ QUOTE ] Maybe. I'm kind of holding out for the 767ER because I want to 'go somewhere' as opposed to doing what I'm doing now in a larger aircraft. ATL has been a very easy commute, predictable and I can use my own airline or America West (very commuter friendly). Like tomorrow morning the flight is oversold, but I was able to prebook the jumpseat in order to get to work a few days ago. Can only be bumped by a FAA inspector or a check airmen I think. [ QUOTE ] Why not SLC since it's closer to home? [/ QUOTE ] There's a zillion people commuting from PHX to SLC, I can't prebook a jumpseat because they're mostly CRJ's and anyone knows that a wee bit of weather plus a CRJ means that the jumpseater probably won't make it on the flight! I'd be in the top 10 on the seniority list on the MD-90 in SLC but since it'd involve 'differences training' (even though I've probably got more -90 time than -88 time), it'd mean that I couldn't 'bid off' the -88/90 for two years. Bummer. All of my Della' SouthernJet croanies here in Arizona commute to SLC and a few to LAX.

April 4th, 2005, 21:45	#15
mpenguin1 Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 9,979 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Quick Answer [ QUOTE ] Hey, lemme sell you a spool of flight line for your trip. It's a $3,000 value, but I'll let you have it for $500! [/ QUOTE ] What is the going rate for some prop-wash?

April 4th, 2005, 21:48	#16
crashmbern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 507	Re: Quick Answer prop wash and some flight line. reminds me of being a line guy and having a new guy that doesn't know anything about aviation. adam

April 4th, 2005, 23:43	#17
seagull Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,044	Re: Quick Answer That crew pay or airline pilot pay, which ever it is, shows estimated upgrade times, and the site owner keeps it up about as well as anybody can. Can't recall the URL right now.

April 5th, 2005, 03:13	#18
seagull Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,044	Re: Quick Answer http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/

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