Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. - Page 3

FL410 · April 2nd, 2005, 11:30

Transcon turns are pretty normal in Canada.

SteveC · April 2nd, 2005, 11:41

Flyover & Doug, I'm not quite sure why you guys seem to be disagreeing over this. Looks to me like you guys are talking about two different things. Specifics versus general policiy issues. Apples and fruitcakes. Flyover says that the specific trips as outlined by JB would be very popular with crews (work 10 days a month), while DT argues that changing the rules (allowing exceptions, at least) will be bad in the long run for pilots as the exceptions are used against them.

I'm sitting here going "yup, I agree" and "yup, I agree".

Neither position precludes the other, IMHO.

flyover · April 2nd, 2005, 12:13

I agree.

mpenguin1 · April 2nd, 2005, 12:52

Guess, for certain pairings it would not be that bad, doing a JFK-LGB-JFK would not be that bad as long as the turn-around time in LGB was not that long, "2" hours or less. Really need to see the pairings that are being proposed.

At Polar, the pilots would do HNL-LAX-HNL turns, they would block under "12" hours of flight time & the pilots liked them, got their flying in quicker and resulted in more days off. The killers was the duty time.

This exemption would have to be limited to certain flights, and the duty time would have to be watched.

Would not want to see a pilot flying JFK-LAX-MIA-ATL in one day....

flyover · April 2nd, 2005, 13:36

We used to have a day on the -88 that went ORL-ATL-SHV-DFW-SAN or something like that. Now that was a killer.

NJA_Capt · April 2nd, 2005, 16:18

[ QUOTE ]
We used to have a day on the -88 that went ORL-ATL-SHV-DFW-SAN or something like that. Now that was a killer.

[/ QUOTE ]
I'd love an easy day like that (4 legs/2000 nm)....Try BOS-DAB-SEA-SAN

Of course......I wouldn't want to do either of them every day.

ROFCIBC · April 4th, 2005, 22:38

[ QUOTE ]
...drag CEO into cockpit for 8 hours flight time.
adreamer

[/ QUOTE ]

That would be about as productive as dragging Bill Clinton into a #####house to teach him not to be a sexual predator!

sleepy3528 · April 5th, 2005, 00:41

I thought the time and duty limits were about to be revamped anyway? i thought i heard rumors that it was going to be in the new FAR's?

Compared to the 135 fellas who are flying 16 or more hour days ferrying aircraft back to their base (say 8 hours overseas and then 8 hours back 91 where there are no regs on duty limits) this doesnt sound so bad. But who is to say they keep the max # of hours a month allowable the same if they are willing to push the hours around for this? I dont think JetBlue should be asking this question. I cant wait for the day when pilots can stand up and command a nice wage and working conditions but with this race to the bottom shown ... even for those who say Jetblue is the greatest thing since sliced bread i dont think its going to be in the next decade.

It's all fun and games till somebody loses and eye... then its a new game FIND THE EYE! It's all fun and games until someone loses an airplane....

flyover · April 5th, 2005, 08:33

At least you cruise fast and high. We used to have to beat that -88 out across the Rockies at 310. In the summer we seldom held a heading more than 5 minutes as we dodged the thunderstorms and overhangs that guys like you were cruising above. But I'm not complaining. Wait, yes I am.

April 2nd, 2005, 11:30	#51
FL410 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 172	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. Transcon turns are pretty normal in Canada.

April 2nd, 2005, 11:41	#52
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,631	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. Flyover & Doug, I'm not quite sure why you guys seem to be disagreeing over this. Looks to me like you guys are talking about two different things. Specifics versus general policiy issues. Apples and fruitcakes. Flyover says that the specific trips as outlined by JB would be very popular with crews (work 10 days a month), while DT argues that changing the rules (allowing exceptions, at least) will be bad in the long run for pilots as the exceptions are used against them. I'm sitting here going "yup, I agree" and "yup, I agree". Neither position precludes the other, IMHO.

April 2nd, 2005, 12:13	#53
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. I agree.

April 2nd, 2005, 12:52	#54
mpenguin1 Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 10,307 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. Guess, for certain pairings it would not be that bad, doing a JFK-LGB-JFK would not be that bad as long as the turn-around time in LGB was not that long, "2" hours or less. Really need to see the pairings that are being proposed. At Polar, the pilots would do HNL-LAX-HNL turns, they would block under "12" hours of flight time & the pilots liked them, got their flying in quicker and resulted in more days off. The killers was the duty time. This exemption would have to be limited to certain flights, and the duty time would have to be watched. Would not want to see a pilot flying JFK-LAX-MIA-ATL in one day....

April 2nd, 2005, 13:36	#55
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. We used to have a day on the -88 that went ORL-ATL-SHV-DFW-SAN or something like that. Now that was a killer.

April 2nd, 2005, 16:18	#56
NJA_Capt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Low Earth Orbit Posts: 1,389	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. [ QUOTE ] We used to have a day on the -88 that went ORL-ATL-SHV-DFW-SAN or something like that. Now that was a killer. [/ QUOTE ] I'd love an easy day like that (4 legs/2000 nm)....Try BOS-DAB-SEA-SAN Of course......I wouldn't want to do either of them every day.

April 4th, 2005, 22:38	#57
ROFCIBC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bossier City, Louisiana Posts: 591	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. [ QUOTE ] ...drag CEO into cockpit for 8 hours flight time. adreamer [/ QUOTE ] That would be about as productive as dragging Bill Clinton into a #####house to teach him not to be a sexual predator!

April 5th, 2005, 00:41	#58
sleepy3528 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ/ NY, USA Posts: 52	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. I thought the time and duty limits were about to be revamped anyway? i thought i heard rumors that it was going to be in the new FAR's? Compared to the 135 fellas who are flying 16 or more hour days ferrying aircraft back to their base (say 8 hours overseas and then 8 hours back 91 where there are no regs on duty limits) this doesnt sound so bad. But who is to say they keep the max # of hours a month allowable the same if they are willing to push the hours around for this? I dont think JetBlue should be asking this question. I cant wait for the day when pilots can stand up and command a nice wage and working conditions but with this race to the bottom shown ... even for those who say Jetblue is the greatest thing since sliced bread i dont think its going to be in the next decade. It's all fun and games till somebody loses and eye... then its a new game FIND THE EYE! It's all fun and games until someone loses an airplane....

April 5th, 2005, 08:33	#59
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Jet Blue seeks FAA exemption to duty day limits. At least you cruise fast and high. We used to have to beat that -88 out across the Rockies at 310. In the summer we seldom held a heading more than 5 minutes as we dodged the thunderstorms and overhangs that guys like you were cruising above. But I'm not complaining. Wait, yes I am.

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