Southwest pilots fighting the "60 and out" Rule

shinysideup · March 20th, 2005, 13:57

http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/20/news...west/index.htm

I say let them stay; if they can still pass the medical exams, and their PCs why force them to retire.

But on the other hand, Delta enticed some of their younger then 60 pilot groups to retire early for the cost cutting purposes.

Timbuff10 · March 20th, 2005, 14:13

I agree, I personally think that they should be able to stay as long as they are able to pass the medical. Now, for selfish reasons, hopefully they argue over it until I am 60, and then raise it to 65 or 70.

I have a feeling you will see the age 60 rule change in the next few years though.

mpenguin1 · March 20th, 2005, 14:21

Slippery slope here, the longer it takes for a pilot to retire, the longer it takes to hire to be hired.

flyover · March 20th, 2005, 15:50

Also a slippery slope when one tries to improve his position by imposing arbitrary rules on others. Which is in many ways the genesis of ALPA's support of the rule. Note that ALPA is now taking a new look at the issue.

slamma1906 · March 20th, 2005, 18:24

WN will support it b/c they are making money. I don't think DAL or US for example will even look at the issue. If the FAR's do change i'm sure these companies will come up with some way to get people out of the door at 60.

flyover · March 20th, 2005, 18:27

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If the FAR's do change i'm sure these companies will come up with some way to get people out of the door at 60.

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Why would they do that? And BTW the primary group looking to open the issue right now is ALPA. They are polling their members and studying the safety considerations. For obvious reasons, mandatory retirement has lost some of it's luster.

shooter13 · March 20th, 2005, 20:43

Because typically an older pilot is a more senior pilot...aka higher paid for the same amount of work.

flyover · March 21st, 2005, 07:04

True but they are topped out on the pay scale so as you cycle them out you replace them with guys that make the same exact pay. And the more retirements the more training cycles you do. And assuming you have any company funded retirement bennies left, retired guys just become an expense with no production. If the reitirement age had been higher or not mandatory the airlines would have alreay saved billions in retirement funding.

March 20th, 2005, 13:57	#1
shinysideup Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio, no, Florida, Michigan, Atl, no, Cape Cod, LA, no I am in DC now!!! Posts: 427	Southwest pilots fighting the \"60 and out\" Rule http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/20/news...west/index.htm I say let them stay; if they can still pass the medical exams, and their PCs why force them to retire. But on the other hand, Delta enticed some of their younger then 60 pilot groups to retire early for the cost cutting purposes.

March 20th, 2005, 14:13	#2
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,234	Re: Southwest pilots fighting the \"60 and out\" Rule I agree, I personally think that they should be able to stay as long as they are able to pass the medical. Now, for selfish reasons, hopefully they argue over it until I am 60, and then raise it to 65 or 70. I have a feeling you will see the age 60 rule change in the next few years though.

March 20th, 2005, 14:21	#3
mpenguin1 Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 10,098 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Southwest pilots fighting the \"60 and out\" Rule Slippery slope here, the longer it takes for a pilot to retire, the longer it takes to hire to be hired.

March 20th, 2005, 15:50	#4
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Southwest pilots fighting the \"60 and out\" Rule Also a slippery slope when one tries to improve his position by imposing arbitrary rules on others. Which is in many ways the genesis of ALPA's support of the rule. Note that ALPA is now taking a new look at the issue.

March 20th, 2005, 18:24	#5
slamma1906 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: ORF Posts: 128	Re: Southwest pilots fighting the \"60 and out\" Rule WN will support it b/c they are making money. I don't think DAL or US for example will even look at the issue. If the FAR's do change i'm sure these companies will come up with some way to get people out of the door at 60.

March 20th, 2005, 18:27	#6
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Southwest pilots fighting the \"60 and out\" Rule [ QUOTE ] If the FAR's do change i'm sure these companies will come up with some way to get people out of the door at 60. [/ QUOTE ] Why would they do that? And BTW the primary group looking to open the issue right now is ALPA. They are polling their members and studying the safety considerations. For obvious reasons, mandatory retirement has lost some of it's luster.

March 20th, 2005, 20:43	#7
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	Re: Southwest pilots fighting the \"60 and out\" Rule Because typically an older pilot is a more senior pilot...aka higher paid for the same amount of work.

March 21st, 2005, 07:04	#8
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Southwest pilots fighting the \"60 and out\" Rule True but they are topped out on the pay scale so as you cycle them out you replace them with guys that make the same exact pay. And the more retirements the more training cycles you do. And assuming you have any company funded retirement bennies left, retired guys just become an expense with no production. If the reitirement age had been higher or not mandatory the airlines would have alreay saved billions in retirement funding.

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