V1...Rotate...Hang on!

FlyChicaga · March 17th, 2005, 12:54

http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_9188.jpg

Exciting stuff! I love being empty.

Saw 5500 FPM ferrying up to Syracuse one night. I'm sure it was higher at some point, since I didn't notice the climb rate until we were passing through 10,000 feet like 1 1/2 mins after departure...

fender_jag · March 17th, 2005, 13:08

Obstacle DP?

PeanuckleCRJ · March 17th, 2005, 16:38

home boy just kicked in the nitro

saw a lear 25 rotate to a good 40 degrees nose up after liftoff on tuesday. definitely a HELL YES moment, haha.

Timbuff10 · March 17th, 2005, 17:03

That was the first test flight for the 57 with winglets so yeah I bet it was pretty much empty. Those things are like rockets!

United 757 climb

ATA 757 heavy

another united 757 on the climb

fun to watch!

Kingairer · March 17th, 2005, 20:06

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http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_9188.jpg

Exciting stuff! I love being empty.

Saw 5500 FPM ferrying up to Syracuse one night. I'm sure it was higher at some point, since I didn't notice the climb rate until we were passing through 10,000 feet like 1 1/2 mins after departure...

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5500fpm???? Did your purse roll to the back?

Alaskaairlines · March 18th, 2005, 02:56

[ QUOTE ]
http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_9188.jpg

Exciting stuff! I love being empty.

Saw 5500 FPM ferrying up to Syracuse one night. I'm sure it was higher at some point, since I didn't notice the climb rate until we were passing through 10,000 feet like 1 1/2 mins after departure...

[/ QUOTE ]

Was that in an XR? I've heard that the 135's are pretty sporty?

Maximillian_Jenius · March 18th, 2005, 18:32

Anyone know why the 757 can have such a high climb gradient but others can't?
Is it the wing the engines maybe the airframe or the whole package!

-Matthew

I_Money · March 18th, 2005, 18:57

Max - you want to know how to get up quickly?

gurisudenko · March 18th, 2005, 19:06

Maximillian_Jenius · March 18th, 2005, 20:41

[ QUOTE ]
Max - you want to know how to get up quickly?

[/ QUOTE ]

Naaaw....I'm young an really CENSORED (rhymes with sung). I have no prob getting up quickly especially for hot Mod's!

-Matthew

cimepilot · March 18th, 2005, 21:41

Riding in our Lear 35s, I routinely see 5000-6000fpm, even with a good load in back. I saw zero to 9,000 feet in 1 min, 10 seconds one time!

ROFCIBC · March 18th, 2005, 22:14

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone know why the 757 can have such a high climb gradient but others can't?
Is it the wing the engines maybe the airframe or the whole package!

-Matthew

[/ QUOTE ]

I flew the 757 and 767 and while they were both snappy performers, the KC10 did it better, especially when light.

This is a KC10 on an air show takeoff, around 1983. GW 300,000 with 50,000 fuel, max is 600,000. Set full power (56,500 each engine). Computed rotate about 110, we went to tire speed (204) and rotated! A classic case in "energy management"!

The pix (sorry for the quality but only one known to exist) has the folks in the foreground to give a perspective of deck angle. The airplane is about 500 to 800 AGL, going through 45 degrees pitch on the way up to 60! Gear is coming up and usually got fully retracted about the time max pitch of 60 degrees was reached. Airspeed at that time was back around 120, and dropping fast!

Then we rolled into 60 degree left bank, to unload the wings and let the nose drop. Between the roll, and the power had plenty of flying speed when we rolled back to level flight on a downwind at about 5000 AGL. Have no idea of the VVI as it was pegged out at 6000 fpm.

Kind of fell into the WOO HOO! category.

Opened the Barksdale AFB annual air show with this maneuver for about four years.

Nick · March 18th, 2005, 22:16

That sounds awesome! Now I need to see the picture!

It shows up as a red X for me. Can you paste a link to the picture instead of the line that ends in .jpg? Maybe that will work.

ROFCIBC · March 18th, 2005, 22:28

[ QUOTE ]
That sounds awesome! Now I need to see the picture!

It shows up as a red X for me. Can you paste a link to the picture instead of the line that ends in .jpg? Maybe that will work.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmmm...have no idea why it does that...shows up in the post for me.

Try this:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0/f4c9d524.jpg

Although this ends in ".jpg" I copied and pasted it in the URL adress line of Internet Explorer and up popped the pix.

The pix is on the Sony Imagestation web site or something like that...a place you store pix that you can then post on other web sites.

Remember to me "Cyber Space" is 1% Cyber, 99% Space!

SteveC · March 18th, 2005, 22:31

[ QUOTE ]
That sounds awesome! Now I need to see the picture!

It shows up as a red X for me. Can you paste a link to the picture instead of the line that ends in .jpg? Maybe that will work.

[/ QUOTE ]

(if you're running Firefox, right-click on the red X and select "View Image")

JDMcFly · March 19th, 2005, 04:03

Gotta love the 57.

Citationkid · March 19th, 2005, 08:38

Check this out:

Climbing through FL290 at 6,000FPM at 250KIAS!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/789498/L/

March 17th, 2005, 12:54	#1
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,783	V1...Rotate...Hang on! http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_9188.jpg Exciting stuff! I love being empty. Saw 5500 FPM ferrying up to Syracuse one night. I'm sure it was higher at some point, since I didn't notice the climb rate until we were passing through 10,000 feet like 1 1/2 mins after departure...

March 17th, 2005, 13:08	#2
fender_jag Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 1,246	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! Obstacle DP?

March 17th, 2005, 16:38	#3
PeanuckleCRJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Where everybody's somebody Posts: 605	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! home boy just kicked in the nitro saw a lear 25 rotate to a good 40 degrees nose up after liftoff on tuesday. definitely a HELL YES moment, haha.

March 17th, 2005, 17:03	#4
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,234	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! That was the first test flight for the 57 with winglets so yeah I bet it was pretty much empty. Those things are like rockets! United 757 climb ATA 757 heavy another united 757 on the climb fun to watch!

March 17th, 2005, 20:06	#5
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,169	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! [ QUOTE ] http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_9188.jpg Exciting stuff! I love being empty. Saw 5500 FPM ferrying up to Syracuse one night. I'm sure it was higher at some point, since I didn't notice the climb rate until we were passing through 10,000 feet like 1 1/2 mins after departure... [/ QUOTE ] 5500fpm???? Did your purse roll to the back?

March 18th, 2005, 02:56	#6
Alaskaairlines Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Wasilla, AK Posts: 74	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! [ QUOTE ] http://www.airframes.net/misc/CO757_9188.jpg Exciting stuff! I love being empty. Saw 5500 FPM ferrying up to Syracuse one night. I'm sure it was higher at some point, since I didn't notice the climb rate until we were passing through 10,000 feet like 1 1/2 mins after departure... [/ QUOTE ] Was that in an XR? I've heard that the 135's are pretty sporty?

March 18th, 2005, 18:32	#7
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,793	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! Anyone know why the 757 can have such a high climb gradient but others can't? Is it the wing the engines maybe the airframe or the whole package! -Matthew

March 18th, 2005, 18:57	#8
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,650	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! Max - you want to know how to get up quickly?

March 18th, 2005, 19:06	#9
gurisudenko Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA Posts: 260	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on!

March 18th, 2005, 20:41	#10
Maximillian_Jenius Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: KPHX, KFFZ, KIWA Posts: 18,793	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! [ QUOTE ] Max - you want to know how to get up quickly? [/ QUOTE ] Naaaw....I'm young an really CENSORED (rhymes with sung). I have no prob getting up quickly especially for hot Mod's! -Matthew

March 18th, 2005, 21:41	#11
cimepilot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 231	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! Riding in our Lear 35s, I routinely see 5000-6000fpm, even with a good load in back. I saw zero to 9,000 feet in 1 min, 10 seconds one time!

March 18th, 2005, 22:14	#12
ROFCIBC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bossier City, Louisiana Posts: 591	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! [ QUOTE ] Anyone know why the 757 can have such a high climb gradient but others can't? Is it the wing the engines maybe the airframe or the whole package! -Matthew [/ QUOTE ] I flew the 757 and 767 and while they were both snappy performers, the KC10 did it better, especially when light. This is a KC10 on an air show takeoff, around 1983. GW 300,000 with 50,000 fuel, max is 600,000. Set full power (56,500 each engine). Computed rotate about 110, we went to tire speed (204) and rotated! A classic case in "energy management"! The pix (sorry for the quality but only one known to exist) has the folks in the foreground to give a perspective of deck angle. The airplane is about 500 to 800 AGL, going through 45 degrees pitch on the way up to 60! Gear is coming up and usually got fully retracted about the time max pitch of 60 degrees was reached. Airspeed at that time was back around 120, and dropping fast! Then we rolled into 60 degree left bank, to unload the wings and let the nose drop. Between the roll, and the power had plenty of flying speed when we rolled back to level flight on a downwind at about 5000 AGL. Have no idea of the VVI as it was pegged out at 6000 fpm. Kind of fell into the WOO HOO! category. Opened the Barksdale AFB annual air show with this maneuver for about four years.

March 18th, 2005, 22:16	#13
Nick Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,243	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! That sounds awesome! Now I need to see the picture! It shows up as a red X for me. Can you paste a link to the picture instead of the line that ends in .jpg? Maybe that will work.

March 18th, 2005, 22:28	#14
ROFCIBC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bossier City, Louisiana Posts: 591	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! [ QUOTE ] That sounds awesome! Now I need to see the picture! It shows up as a red X for me. Can you paste a link to the picture instead of the line that ends in .jpg? Maybe that will work. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm...have no idea why it does that...shows up in the post for me. Try this: http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0/f4c9d524.jpg Although this ends in ".jpg" I copied and pasted it in the URL adress line of Internet Explorer and up popped the pix. The pix is on the Sony Imagestation web site or something like that...a place you store pix that you can then post on other web sites. Remember to me "Cyber Space" is 1% Cyber, 99% Space!

March 18th, 2005, 22:31	#15
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,435	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! [ QUOTE ] That sounds awesome! Now I need to see the picture! It shows up as a red X for me. Can you paste a link to the picture instead of the line that ends in .jpg? Maybe that will work. [/ QUOTE ] (if you're running Firefox, right-click on the red X and select "View Image")

March 19th, 2005, 04:03	#16
JDMcFly Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,664	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! Gotta love the 57.

March 19th, 2005, 08:38	#17
Citationkid Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Delaware Posts: 1,328 Blog Entries: 5	Re: V1...Rotate...Hang on! Check this out: Climbing through FL290 at 6,000FPM at 250KIAS! http://www.airliners.net/open.file/789498/L/

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