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February 28th, 2005, 15:41
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul
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|  Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] Thank Gawd for just haul'n boxes around!  [/ QUOTE ]  |
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February 28th, 2005, 15:49
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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   | Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. When my sister was 6, we were on an airliner going to Spain and this snooty old pompous woman had the seat assigned next to my sister. When my sister sat down, the woman just scoffed and said "I don't have to have THAT sitting next to me, do I?" and she pointed at my sister. We made her life on that flight a misery after that comment. |
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February 28th, 2005, 15:53
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| Moderator  Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. I still agree with the actions of the father, and his comment about you learning some manners. You were likely going to barge (most 16 year olds do), and if you were not it would not have been a big deal and would not have excalated. I can honestly say that when my parents were not around it was good to be kept in check by complete strangers - embrace it and don't think of yourself as better then everybody. |
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February 28th, 2005, 15:57
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Jun 2004
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February 28th, 2005, 16:13
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] P.S. Don't even think of getting into customer service if you can't apologize when it's not your fault! [/ QUOTE ] If you're working in customer service, that's one thing. Otherwise, let him have it! If you can't get along, get it one!!! |
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February 28th, 2005, 16:16
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Warrensburg, MO/ KC, MO
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] Seriously though, nobody has the right to push or shove you around. Seems like somebody needs to teach this guy some manner b/c he sure doesn't know what they are. [/ QUOTE ] I would have politely asked the guy to remove his hand from me, and if he didn't, then I would threaten him by saying that I would press assault charges on him. It is better to let the police difuse a situation that may become violent. |
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February 28th, 2005, 16:20
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] I can honestly say that when my parents were not around it was good to be kept in check by complete strangers . . . [/ QUOTE ] Were you assaulted by complete strangers when you were 16? |
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February 28th, 2005, 16:56
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| Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can honestly say that when my parents were not around it was good to be kept in check by complete strangers . . . [/ QUOTE ] Were you assaulted by complete strangers when you were 16? [/ QUOTE ] Dude assault to me is where physical marks or are left - not when an adult is keeping a child in check. |
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February 28th, 2005, 16:58
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I can honestly say that when my parents were not around it was good to be kept in check by complete strangers . . . [/ QUOTE ] Were you assaulted by complete strangers when you were 16? [/ QUOTE ] Dude assault to me is were physical marks or scars are present - not when an adult is keeping a child in check. [/ QUOTE ] In check? He was getting off of the airplane! Did he need to be checked?  |
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February 28th, 2005, 17:01
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. If he was barging infront of a women travelling with her children - he certainly did! |
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February 28th, 2005, 17:14
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] If he was barging infront of a women travelling with her children - he certainly did! [/ QUOTE ] If she's taking her precious time, talking on the phone? Come on....that's kinda silly. |
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February 28th, 2005, 17:42
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: .
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. Interesting situation. First off, I was in Boston that same night. Flew in from SAV via IAD with Independence.  Anyway...I encountered a similar situation last night at a hockey game. I attended a High School Hockey game at a visiting school about 30 minutes away. This is something I never do because I don't care for HS sports, but my Friend's got me to come along. Anyway, we sat infront of the parent's of the other team. The row infront of me was rowdy kids from our high school saying rude things, I found this embarassing to us. About one minute into the shouting a father comes down, sits next to me and pats me on the shoulder. "Hey son, how ya doing?" I replied that I was fine. He then proceeds "How about you and your friend's keep it down, you all are saying some pretty rude things." I was shocked and told him I was not and it was the people infront of me. He then said "Well they're your friends, you can tell them to stop." By now I could see what was happening. He assumed it was me. I told him "No, they are not my friends. Infact I don't know them, they just attend my school. You can say something to them." He sort of stared at me and said "Okay then." About five minutes later, he patted my LEG and said, "I'm going to leave now, is that okay with you?" I was a little pissed by this whole ordeal and said "I don't mind, I wasn't saying anything in the first place." He left and that was that. I think that this is similar to your situation Joey. My reason is because I also felt angered by someone elses actions. I chose not to make a scene and just shoot back something smart. I think that in sitautions like this, which we all encounter we have to just sit back and relax. People say stupid things, we all see it all the time. Because in the end it works out; we won the game by 7. |
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February 28th, 2005, 17:45
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| Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If he was barging infront of a women travelling with her children - he certainly did! [/ QUOTE ] If she's taking her precious time, talking on the phone? Come on....that's kinda silly. [/ QUOTE ] You are making an assumption she was taking her time - gains you no credit! |
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February 28th, 2005, 17:49
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| Agent Smith  | Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. Well, considering the entire story is "fact-limited", any discussion we try to have is going to need to be taken with a grain of salt. Personally, what I take from reading all sides of this conversation is: (a) Mind your business (b) Don't touch anyone (c) Get the hell off the airplane because the flight crew's on a 35 minute turn and don't give a #####!  |
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February 28th, 2005, 17:49
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| Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] Interesting situation. First off, I was in Boston that same night. Flew in from SAV via IAD with Independence. Anyway...I encountered a similar situation last night at a hockey game. I attended a High School Hockey game at a visiting school about 30 minutes away. This is something I never do because I don't care for HS sports, but my Friend's got me to come along. Anyway, we sat infront of the parent's of the other team. The row infront of me was rowdy kids from our high school saying rude things, I found this embarassing to us. About one minute into the shouting a father comes down, sits next to me and pats me on the shoulder. "Hey son, how ya doing?" I replied that I was fine. He then proceeds "How about you and your friend's keep it down, you all are saying some pretty rude things." I was shocked and told him I was not and it was the people infront of me. He then said "Well they're your friends, you can tell them to stop." By now I could see what was happening. He assumed it was me. I told him "No, they are not my friends. Infact I don't know them, they just attend my school. You can say something to them." He sort of stared at me and said "Okay then." About five minutes later, he patted my LEG and said, "I'm going to leave now, is that okay with you?" I was a little pissed by this whole ordeal and said "I don't mind, I wasn't saying anything in the first place." He left and that was that. I think that this is similar to your situation Joey. My reason is because I also felt angered by someone elses actions. I chose not to make a scene and just shoot back something smart. I think that in sitautions like this, which we all encounter we have to just sit back and relax. People say stupid things, we all see it all the time. Because in the end it works out; we won the game by 7. [/ QUOTE ] You can understand why he approached your group, he obviously presumed you were with them (you were from the same school), and probably chose to address the matter to you because you were not directly involved so it would be less combative and he hoped you were able to do something. |
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February 28th, 2005, 17:52
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. Good point Iain. But I disagree with the way he approached, the sarcastic manner at which he spoke to me was unacceptable to me. And that's why I agree with let the crap fly, just go with it and don't get angered. People do stupid things. |
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February 28th, 2005, 17:57
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If he was barging infront of a women travelling with her children - he certainly did! [/ QUOTE ] If she's taking her precious time, talking on the phone? Come on....that's kinda silly. [/ QUOTE ] You are making an assumption she was taking her time - gains you no credit! [/ QUOTE ] Making my assumption based upon the following : [ QUOTE ] While everyone was exiting the plane, family A chatted on their cell phones and sat there, as did family B, minus the cell phones. So thinking their going to stay a little bit longer on the plane, I get up and walk off the plane. [/ QUOTE ] I think that it's a pretty fair assumption, although I could be wrong. |
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February 28th, 2005, 18:11
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Waco, TX
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. There's people like that everywhere you look. I scorekeep about 10 basketball games a week, you should see what the referees have to put up with. Poor guys can't make a right call, either it was a great call or a bad call, depending on what side you were on. I admire the the patience they have, I've heard some extremely nasty things said, no yelled, at them. I don't know what it is in some people that makes them think they have the right to talk to others like that, arrogance maybe? But don't you just wanna lay them out...who knows, someone needs to 'em up. |
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February 28th, 2005, 18:18
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] Dude assault to me is where physical marks or are left - not when an adult is keeping a child in check [/ QUOTE ] Whenever I get in trouble someone calls me a young man, or they say: "your a young adult, you should have known better." but how come whenever this young adult acts out of line they are a child? Isn't any adult, young or old, entitled to their own space? It's America here, theres no reason to be touched if you don't want to be touched. I just don't get how Llain keeps assuming I acted out of line. Father of Family B had no right to touch/shove me, physical or no physical mark. |
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February 28th, 2005, 18:30
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Dude assault to me is where physical marks or are left - not when an adult is keeping a child in check [/ QUOTE ] Whenever I get in trouble someone calls me a young man, or they say: "your a young adult, you should have known better." but how come whenever this young adult acts out of line they are a child? Isn't any adult, young or old, entitled to their own space? It's America here, theres no reason to be touched if you don't want to be touched. I just don't get how Llain keeps assuming I acted out of line. Father of Family B had no right to touch/shove me, physical or no physical mark. [/ QUOTE ] Cause he thinks he is the perfect gentleman. I know there are two sides to every story, but there is no reason for someone to touch someone else because he is trying to move things along in the airplane. Face it, women dilly dally and he chose to proceed off the aircraft. I am with mtsu on this one, he should be put in his place again and again till he realizes he's a jackass. |
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February 28th, 2005, 18:31
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] I just don't get how Llain keeps assuming I acted out of line. Father of Family B had no right to touch/shove me, physical or no physical mark. [/ QUOTE ] Eactly!!! |
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February 28th, 2005, 18:47
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| Junior Member  Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: haytown,california
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. How about we get a hold of this father B and have a fight on WWF or E-whatever they call it these days  -then this thread can rest in peace Seriously, unless someone assaults you physically, the best choice is to walk away from an argument. I have seen or heard people fight or kill each other on simple things such as parking and road rage. Walk away- beside he or she is the one that is going to get more angry and make themselves good candidates for cardiac arrest if you ignore them- |
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February 28th, 2005, 19:24
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| Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Danbury, CT
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. Why does one need to be 18 years of age to be viewed as an adult? It seems like you are saying a 16 year old is just a kid. Yes, it's true we don't pay off our house, but we do have responsibilities. My friends and I have cars, we need to pay for them, and we pay for the gas. We have jobs, and yes they are stressful. There is so much more beyond this that we are responsible for. The bottom line....do not discriminate against us for being under the age of what the government considers an adult. I don't think you would be all nice and quiet if this same thing happened to you. |
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February 28th, 2005, 22:49
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| Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. When you are 16 you think you are far more grown up then you really are. The law classifies and protects you differently because as mature as you think you are you are, they know you really have a long way to go. The reality to me is if you were as mature as you guys claim you would not get into petty antics over some guys actions. When I was 16 I too thought I was mature, I was working, handling a full course load at school, flying, etc - when I was 17 I was living abroad at University. Now being older, I can see although I had my stuff together, I still had a lot to learn. Currently I am 21, and work for an investment bank where most of my peers are my fathers age, and older. I have learnt to interact with them, and am open to learning from them, because as much as I hate to admit it - they know more, and are aware of far more then me. I have ran into many situation where I have been checked by adults - I can assure you that although I not always agreed with their comments, I was courteous and corrected my actions. Grow up, accept it and try and learn from it, as your manners are not as you perceive them but as others do! |
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February 28th, 2005, 22:51
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ??
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| Re: Way to ruin a flight, Buddy. [ QUOTE ] The reality to me is if you were as mature as you guys claim you would not get into petty antics over some guys actions. [/ QUOTE ] Bingo. |
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