Those With PFT Questions

FlyChicaga · February 21st, 2005, 16:08

Now at Amazon.com:

Enjoy!

MQAAord · February 21st, 2005, 16:15

OMG Matt, when I saw this thread I was SO getting ready to send a whopping dose of smack-@ss your way, then I looked at the picture.

I think I ripped a stitch laughing so hard!

kellwolf · February 21st, 2005, 16:17

Classic. I'm actually thinking about working on a PFT page that I just throw up as a link on the monthly threads. I figure if I can get some sponsors, it might pay my rent on web hits alone......

Bog · February 21st, 2005, 16:44

I think I need to borrow that for another site ....

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 17:30

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I think I need to borrow that for another site ....

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Is RPortiesJr back?

Bog · February 21st, 2005, 18:29

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I think I need to borrow that for another site ....

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Is RPortiesJr back?

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Thankfully not right now. But, we appear to have a few new ones who can't figure it out...

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 18:38

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I think I need to borrow that for another site ....

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Is RPortiesJr back?

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Thankfully not right now. But, we appear to have a few new ones who can't figure it out...

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Oh..the MAPD guy Davis whatever-the-hell-his name is?

Mr. "I'd steal your job in a heartbeat" comment nitwit?

Bog · February 21st, 2005, 18:40

Yeah. That's the one. He'll probably be my FO in a few months.

Sigh ... I feel so alone up front sometimes ...

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 18:41

Wow, what a crank.

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 18:43

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Yeah. That's the one. He'll probably be my FO in a few months.

Sigh ... I feel so alone up front sometimes ...

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Looking at the quality of some of the newbie posters on that site, I sympathize for you. I can't believe the guy had the nerve to say what he did, even if he did feel it inside. Then his half-baked attempt at an "apology" or "clarification" was pretty sorry. I don't know how one clarifies the dumbo comments he made.....they seemed pretty straight-arrow to me.

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 18:45

And he hasn't realized that if he had the ability to somehow snatch Bog's job, that another wide-eyed newbie CSMEL-I wouldn't in turn snap up HIS job?

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 18:54

Jiminy crickets!

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"just curious where all of you old farts were when you had 250 hours. i am gonna make captain by the time im 24, you all have fun chillin in your retirment homes sippin on your puree. you dont like mesa!!! then get the f out!!! all of us MAPDers will gladly take over. give us the days u want off or the days u want to take a vacation, like that dash 8 ##### who biatches about not gettin a vaction. f u. if you dont like something about your employer, then get the freak out. quit biatchin bout your grievences and man up. "

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Where do you even start?

Note to "guy really familiar with the sitewebmaster" If this was cut-n-paste non-delecti, PM-me and I'll immediately erase it.

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 19:02

Read this one from the same guy. This stuff is rich.....

Bog, same disclaimer that Doug wrote applies.

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Problem is, us Newbees don't have the luxory of picking and choosing. We take what is given too us, no questions asked. If someone is willing to pay us to fly, it really doesn't matter what the airplane is, or what the pay is, Its better than having to pay for it out of your own pocket. Yes I understand that we have to be professional. And when I have enough hours under my belt to look over 5 jobs and turn down 4 because they just don't pay enough, then it will be different, but for right now, I'll steal your job if I have to by taking lower pay and working crappy hours. Sorry, but as I'm sure you know, economics, Supply and demand, I can supply a product for a cheaper cost. But don't think that just because I'll work for less, that means I'm a lower grade pilot. I've had all the training the next guy has, maybe more, maybe less, But the bottome line is to provide a safe and efficent flight. And that I can do.

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FlyChicaga · February 21st, 2005, 19:02

My blood pressure just went up. Time for a beer. Step away from the computer...

Bog · February 21st, 2005, 19:03

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Note to "guy really familiar with the sitewebmaster" If this was cut-n-paste non-delecti, PM-me and I'll immediately erase it.

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Actually I missed most of that thread due to modem problems at home. Probably a good thing ... I'm moving towards "bitter" again and would have laid into him pretty good.

What a retard... gives a bad name to the good MAPDers.

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 19:07

It's not training, it's operational experience. I could train my 16 year old nephew to fly a MD-88 to category-II minimums, sure, but are we on the same skill level because we've been similarly trained?

Hell no!

JEP · February 21st, 2005, 19:08

Matt,

Where do I send the bill for my keyboard? Thanks to your post, my evening coffee is all over my keyboard. Classic !!!!

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 19:10

Hey man, that's just classic jetcareers 'edu-tainment'!

FlyChicaga · February 21st, 2005, 19:18

pilot602 · February 21st, 2005, 20:48

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But don't think that just because I'll work for less, that means I'm a lower grade pilot.

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YES it does. IF I ever hear/see one of these types around I'll be sure to lay a ninja-style smack down on him like a hang-gliding elephant.

IT_Pilot · February 21st, 2005, 21:08

YES it does. IF I ever hear/see one of these types around I'll be sure to lay a ninja-style smack down on him like a hang-gliding elephant.

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Dude, thanks for that awesome visual!

I laughed as hard as I did with FlyChicaga's pic!

Sir_Captain · February 22nd, 2005, 14:01

How about you guys just ignore PFT questions?
And if you ever run into that retard, hang him by his nuts.

Grabo172 · February 22nd, 2005, 14:07

From my Navy time, There's a couple sayings...

If you ignore a problem, you are a part of the problem...

Also,

If you see a problem and ignore it, you are condoning the behavior.

So I hope we don't start ignoring the PFJ (I like PFJ title better than PFT, we all pay for training... I know I charge for the training I give

) or it'll just take over everywhere and we will no longer have jobs to look forward too, just "Paying for the next Job".

Doug Taylor · February 22nd, 2005, 14:12

All question have to be addressed. Otherwise, could you imagine how it would be if we selectively ignored certain questions? That'd suck!

But I'm going to write a little opinion segment in the next few days about PFT/PFJ that we could at least refer people to.

On one side, most of the emotion comes from people who have said time and time again that it doesn't work and helps keep pilot wages depressed. On the other side, you have people who have been able to use freely available money either from parents or previous lucrative employment that are angry when they can't simply buy their way into the profession.

But that's just my personal opinion.

But we, as pilots, are our own worst enemy.

pilot602 · February 23rd, 2005, 01:06

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But we, as pilots, are our own worst enemy.

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Hear, hear.

February 21st, 2005, 16:08	#1
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,783	Those With PFT Questions Now at Amazon.com: Enjoy!

February 21st, 2005, 16:15	#2
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,042	Re: Those With PFT Questions OMG Matt, when I saw this thread I was SO getting ready to send a whopping dose of smack-@ss your way, then I looked at the picture. I think I ripped a stitch laughing so hard!

February 21st, 2005, 16:17	#3
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Those With PFT Questions Classic. I'm actually thinking about working on a PFT page that I just throw up as a link on the monthly threads. I figure if I can get some sponsors, it might pay my rent on web hits alone......

February 21st, 2005, 16:44	#4
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: Those With PFT Questions I think I need to borrow that for another site ....

February 21st, 2005, 17:30	#5
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Those With PFT Questions [ QUOTE ] I think I need to borrow that for another site .... [/ QUOTE ] Is RPortiesJr back?

February 21st, 2005, 18:29	#6
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: Those With PFT Questions [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think I need to borrow that for another site .... [/ QUOTE ] Is RPortiesJr back? [/ QUOTE ] Thankfully not right now. But, we appear to have a few new ones who can't figure it out...

February 21st, 2005, 18:38	#7
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Those With PFT Questions [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think I need to borrow that for another site .... [/ QUOTE ] Is RPortiesJr back? [/ QUOTE ] Thankfully not right now. But, we appear to have a few new ones who can't figure it out... [/ QUOTE ] Oh..the MAPD guy Davis whatever-the-hell-his name is? Mr. "I'd steal your job in a heartbeat" comment nitwit?

February 21st, 2005, 18:40	#8
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: Those With PFT Questions Yeah. That's the one. He'll probably be my FO in a few months. Sigh ... I feel so alone up front sometimes ...

February 21st, 2005, 18:41	#9
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Those With PFT Questions Wow, what a crank.

February 21st, 2005, 18:43	#10
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Those With PFT Questions [ QUOTE ] Yeah. That's the one. He'll probably be my FO in a few months. Sigh ... I feel so alone up front sometimes ... [/ QUOTE ] Looking at the quality of some of the newbie posters on that site, I sympathize for you. I can't believe the guy had the nerve to say what he did, even if he did feel it inside. Then his half-baked attempt at an "apology" or "clarification" was pretty sorry. I don't know how one clarifies the dumbo comments he made.....they seemed pretty straight-arrow to me.

February 21st, 2005, 18:45	#11
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Those With PFT Questions And he hasn't realized that if he had the ability to somehow snatch Bog's job, that another wide-eyed newbie CSMEL-I wouldn't in turn snap up HIS job?

February 21st, 2005, 18:54	#12
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Those With PFT Questions Jiminy crickets! [ QUOTE ] "just curious where all of you old farts were when you had 250 hours. i am gonna make captain by the time im 24, you all have fun chillin in your retirment homes sippin on your puree. you dont like mesa!!! then get the f out!!! all of us MAPDers will gladly take over. give us the days u want off or the days u want to take a vacation, like that dash 8 ##### who biatches about not gettin a vaction. f u. if you dont like something about your employer, then get the freak out. quit biatchin bout your grievences and man up. " [/ QUOTE ] Where do you even start? Note to "guy really familiar with the sitewebmaster" If this was cut-n-paste non-delecti, PM-me and I'll immediately erase it.

February 21st, 2005, 19:02	#13
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Those With PFT Questions Read this one from the same guy. This stuff is rich..... Bog, same disclaimer that Doug wrote applies. [ QUOTE ] Problem is, us Newbees don't have the luxory of picking and choosing. We take what is given too us, no questions asked. If someone is willing to pay us to fly, it really doesn't matter what the airplane is, or what the pay is, Its better than having to pay for it out of your own pocket. Yes I understand that we have to be professional. And when I have enough hours under my belt to look over 5 jobs and turn down 4 because they just don't pay enough, then it will be different, but for right now, I'll steal your job if I have to by taking lower pay and working crappy hours. Sorry, but as I'm sure you know, economics, Supply and demand, I can supply a product for a cheaper cost. But don't think that just because I'll work for less, that means I'm a lower grade pilot. I've had all the training the next guy has, maybe more, maybe less, But the bottome line is to provide a safe and efficent flight. And that I can do. [/ QUOTE ]

February 21st, 2005, 19:02	#14
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,783	Re: Those With PFT Questions My blood pressure just went up. Time for a beer. Step away from the computer...

February 21st, 2005, 19:03	#15
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: Those With PFT Questions [ QUOTE ] Note to "guy really familiar with the sitewebmaster" If this was cut-n-paste non-delecti, PM-me and I'll immediately erase it. [/ QUOTE ] Actually I missed most of that thread due to modem problems at home. Probably a good thing ... I'm moving towards "bitter" again and would have laid into him pretty good. What a retard... gives a bad name to the good MAPDers.

February 21st, 2005, 19:07	#16
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Those With PFT Questions It's not training, it's operational experience. I could train my 16 year old nephew to fly a MD-88 to category-II minimums, sure, but are we on the same skill level because we've been similarly trained? Hell no!

February 21st, 2005, 19:08	#17
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,670 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Those With PFT Questions Matt, Where do I send the bill for my keyboard? Thanks to your post, my evening coffee is all over my keyboard. Classic !!!!

February 21st, 2005, 19:10	#18
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Those With PFT Questions Hey man, that's just classic jetcareers 'edu-tainment'!

February 21st, 2005, 19:18	#19
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,783	Re: Those With PFT Questions

February 21st, 2005, 20:48	#20
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: Those With PFT Questions [ QUOTE ] But don't think that just because I'll work for less, that means I'm a lower grade pilot. [/ QUOTE ] YES it does. IF I ever hear/see one of these types around I'll be sure to lay a ninja-style smack down on him like a hang-gliding elephant.

February 21st, 2005, 21:08	#21
IT_Pilot Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 131	Re: Those With PFT Questions YES it does. IF I ever hear/see one of these types around I'll be sure to lay a ninja-style smack down on him like a hang-gliding elephant. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, thanks for that awesome visual! I laughed as hard as I did with FlyChicaga's pic!

February 22nd, 2005, 14:01	#22
Sir_Captain Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 252	Re: Those With PFT Questions How about you guys just ignore PFT questions? And if you ever run into that retard, hang him by his nuts.

February 22nd, 2005, 14:07	#23
Grabo172 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Peterborough, NH Posts: 1,270	Re: Those With PFT Questions From my Navy time, There's a couple sayings... If you ignore a problem, you are a part of the problem... Also, If you see a problem and ignore it, you are condoning the behavior. So I hope we don't start ignoring the PFJ (I like PFJ title better than PFT, we all pay for training... I know I charge for the training I give ) or it'll just take over everywhere and we will no longer have jobs to look forward too, just "Paying for the next Job".

February 22nd, 2005, 14:12	#24
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Those With PFT Questions All question have to be addressed. Otherwise, could you imagine how it would be if we selectively ignored certain questions? That'd suck! But I'm going to write a little opinion segment in the next few days about PFT/PFJ that we could at least refer people to. On one side, most of the emotion comes from people who have said time and time again that it doesn't work and helps keep pilot wages depressed. On the other side, you have people who have been able to use freely available money either from parents or previous lucrative employment that are angry when they can't simply buy their way into the profession. But that's just my personal opinion. But we, as pilots, are our own worst enemy.

February 23rd, 2005, 01:06	#25
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: Those With PFT Questions [ QUOTE ] But we, as pilots, are our own worst enemy. [/ QUOTE ] Hear, hear.

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