Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops??????

Ophir · February 20th, 2005, 21:03

I'm doing some studying for the ATP and I am really wondering about a clear definition for what distinquishes a Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier. I believe if you operate only in the US you are domestic. If you operate in and outside the US you are a Flag operator. But what is Supplemental? And if, in the case of SkyWest, you have a couple of destinations in Canada, are you considered Flag or Domestic?

Looking4Lower · February 20th, 2005, 22:47

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I am really wondering about a clear definition for what distinquishes a Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier.

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Part 119 has pretty decent definitions of these. I think they are towards the beginning of the section, in the glossary/definitions area. I don't think you need to know the detailed definitions for the ATP written.

Ophir · February 20th, 2005, 23:07

Nah, you don't need to know the definitions but they refer to regulations pertaining to these types of carriers all over the place. I just wanted to know where to find out who the FAA designates them. But I still would like to know what carrier out there are Flag, Domestic and Supplemental. Are there many Supplementals? It seems like it would only be Part 135 operators going abroad for charter trips.

Thanks L4Lower

FlyChicaga · February 20th, 2005, 23:50

Supplemental operations under 121 are charter operations. Non-scheduled service, like Miami Air, Champion Air, TMA, and some ATA flying.

I actually flew my first charter trip this weekend. Between Newark, Syracuse, and Boston for a basketball team. Very cool stuff.

lurkerboy · February 21st, 2005, 11:32

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I actually flew my first charter trip this weekend. Between Newark, Syracuse, and Boston for a basketball team. Very cool stuff.

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Did you fly the orange to their BC game

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Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 11:36

On the 72, I flew (well, I flight engineered) a Tennessee "Lady Vols" basketball charter.

FlyChicaga · February 21st, 2005, 12:38

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I actually flew my first charter trip this weekend. Between Newark, Syracuse, and Boston for a basketball team. Very cool stuff.

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Did you fly the orange to their BC game

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Yup.

kellwolf · February 21st, 2005, 12:41

I'm pretty sure CAL does the Yankees and the Astros charters as well. At leat that's what the newsletter said during the playoffs. I guess CAL is the kiss of death for baseball playoffs.....

seagull · February 21st, 2005, 12:47

FedEx operates as a Scheduled Supplemental. It allows for certain things, most of which we no longer use, so the company has been moving towards switching to domestic/flag.

The charter operators, Gemini, Polar, World, Atlas, etc, are all Supplementals, as was Flying Tigers.

cime_sp · February 21st, 2005, 17:38

As far as the Canadian destinations go, that depends on the specific airline in their Op Specs. At ASA we fly to Canada, Mexico, and the Bahamas. We have special permission to dispatch under domestic rules to these airports. Domestic rules are much less restrictive from a fuel standpoint than flag is.

Ophir · February 21st, 2005, 19:19

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FedEx operates as a Scheduled Supplemental. It allows for certain things, most of which we no longer use, so the company has been moving towards switching to domestic/flag.

The charter operators, Gemini, Polar, World, Atlas, etc, are all Supplementals, as was Flying Tigers.

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Just reading some more the definitions of Supplemental Carrier under types of operations, (ii) is All-cargo operations

So doesn't that make most freight dawgs Supplemental? A least above 7,500 lbs payload

B767Driver · February 21st, 2005, 20:30

Several years ago I flew a New York Mets charter. One of the flight attendant's son was a huge Mike Piazza fan. So she bought an expensive jersey and was going to have Piazza sign it. Another flight attendant told this gal that Piazza was a big jerk and not to even ask for the autograph.

Now...the first flight attendant didn't even know what Piazza looked like...he was sitting in the back of the plane near her gear...and the jersey was in plain view.

Piazza asked the flight attendant what the jersey was for. She replied that she was going to have Piazza sign it but heard that he was a big jerk. He grabbed the jersey and signed it and said..."Hey...I'm Piazza". They hit it off big time and he was an exceedingly nice guy.

One of my favorite stories.

SmitteyB · February 21st, 2005, 23:45

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Several years ago I flew a New York Mets charter. One of the flight attendant's son was a huge Mike Piazza fan. So she bought an expensive jersey and was going to have Piazza sign it. Another flight attendant told this gal that Piazza was a big jerk and not to even ask for the autograph.

Now...the first flight attendant didn't even know what Piazza looked like...he was sitting in the back of the plane near her gear...and the jersey was in plain view.

Piazza asked the flight attendant what the jersey was for. She replied that she was going to have Piazza sign it but heard that he was a big jerk. He grabbed the jersey and signed it and said..."Hey...I'm Piazza". They hit it off big time and he was an exceedingly nice guy.

One of my favorite stories.

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Good laugh...thanks.

Speaking of the Mets...I better go get some Spring Training Tickets for Port St. Lucie...

Let's Go Mets!

kellwolf · February 22nd, 2005, 11:27

I was thinking about trying to catch a game or two myself. After the disappointing year last year, I'm looking forward to a good Mets season......finally.

SmitteyB · February 22nd, 2005, 18:41

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I was thinking about trying to catch a game or two myself. After the disappointing year last year, I'm looking forward to a good Mets season......finally.

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Wait...I'm not the only one?

kellwolf · February 22nd, 2005, 18:49

Believe it or not.

I've been a Mets fan since about 89 when Gooden, Strawberry, Carter and HoJo were still on the team.

SmitteyB · February 22nd, 2005, 18:53

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Believe it or not.

I've been a Mets fan since about 89 when Gooden, Strawberry, Carter and HoJo were still on the team.

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Well I was only 4 at that time, but wow. Currently a Die Hard fan, so I'll definitely be taking a trip down to Tradition Field when I get to Vero in 2 weeks.

God I hope Pedro can hold it together for just one year. Please god, please!

kellwolf · February 22nd, 2005, 18:56

I'm just hoping some deranged Jankee fan doesn't take the subway to a Mets game to take him out in revenge.....

SmitteyB · February 22nd, 2005, 19:09

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I'm just hoping some deranged Jankee fan doesn't take the subway to a Mets game to take him out in revenge.....

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I call them the Skankees...

February 20th, 2005, 21:03	#1
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? I'm doing some studying for the ATP and I am really wondering about a clear definition for what distinquishes a Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier. I believe if you operate only in the US you are domestic. If you operate in and outside the US you are a Flag operator. But what is Supplemental? And if, in the case of SkyWest, you have a couple of destinations in Canada, are you considered Flag or Domestic?

February 20th, 2005, 22:47	#2
Looking4Lower Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On your TCAS Posts: 539	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? [ QUOTE ] I am really wondering about a clear definition for what distinquishes a Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier. [/ QUOTE ] Part 119 has pretty decent definitions of these. I think they are towards the beginning of the section, in the glossary/definitions area. I don't think you need to know the detailed definitions for the ATP written.

February 20th, 2005, 23:07	#3
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? Nah, you don't need to know the definitions but they refer to regulations pertaining to these types of carriers all over the place. I just wanted to know where to find out who the FAA designates them. But I still would like to know what carrier out there are Flag, Domestic and Supplemental. Are there many Supplementals? It seems like it would only be Part 135 operators going abroad for charter trips. Thanks L4Lower

February 20th, 2005, 23:50	#4
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,783	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? Supplemental operations under 121 are charter operations. Non-scheduled service, like Miami Air, Champion Air, TMA, and some ATA flying. I actually flew my first charter trip this weekend. Between Newark, Syracuse, and Boston for a basketball team. Very cool stuff.

February 21st, 2005, 11:32	#5
lurkerboy Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 38	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? [ QUOTE ] I actually flew my first charter trip this weekend. Between Newark, Syracuse, and Boston for a basketball team. Very cool stuff. [/ QUOTE ] Did you fly the orange to their BC game ?

February 21st, 2005, 11:36	#6
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? On the 72, I flew (well, I flight engineered) a Tennessee "Lady Vols" basketball charter.

February 21st, 2005, 12:38	#7
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,783	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I actually flew my first charter trip this weekend. Between Newark, Syracuse, and Boston for a basketball team. Very cool stuff. [/ QUOTE ] Did you fly the orange to their BC game ? [/ QUOTE ] Yup.

February 21st, 2005, 12:41	#8
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? I'm pretty sure CAL does the Yankees and the Astros charters as well. At leat that's what the newsletter said during the playoffs. I guess CAL is the kiss of death for baseball playoffs.....

February 21st, 2005, 12:47	#9
seagull Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,044	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? FedEx operates as a Scheduled Supplemental. It allows for certain things, most of which we no longer use, so the company has been moving towards switching to domestic/flag. The charter operators, Gemini, Polar, World, Atlas, etc, are all Supplementals, as was Flying Tigers.

February 21st, 2005, 17:38	#10
cime_sp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ATL Posts: 777	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? As far as the Canadian destinations go, that depends on the specific airline in their Op Specs. At ASA we fly to Canada, Mexico, and the Bahamas. We have special permission to dispatch under domestic rules to these airports. Domestic rules are much less restrictive from a fuel standpoint than flag is.

February 21st, 2005, 19:19	#11
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? [ QUOTE ] FedEx operates as a Scheduled Supplemental. It allows for certain things, most of which we no longer use, so the company has been moving towards switching to domestic/flag. The charter operators, Gemini, Polar, World, Atlas, etc, are all Supplementals, as was Flying Tigers. [/ QUOTE ] Just reading some more the definitions of Supplemental Carrier under types of operations, (ii) is All-cargo operations So doesn't that make most freight dawgs Supplemental? A least above 7,500 lbs payload

February 21st, 2005, 20:30	#12
B767Driver Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,845	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? Several years ago I flew a New York Mets charter. One of the flight attendant's son was a huge Mike Piazza fan. So she bought an expensive jersey and was going to have Piazza sign it. Another flight attendant told this gal that Piazza was a big jerk and not to even ask for the autograph. Now...the first flight attendant didn't even know what Piazza looked like...he was sitting in the back of the plane near her gear...and the jersey was in plain view. Piazza asked the flight attendant what the jersey was for. She replied that she was going to have Piazza sign it but heard that he was a big jerk. He grabbed the jersey and signed it and said..."Hey...I'm Piazza". They hit it off big time and he was an exceedingly nice guy. One of my favorite stories.

February 21st, 2005, 23:45	#13
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,952	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? [ QUOTE ] Several years ago I flew a New York Mets charter. One of the flight attendant's son was a huge Mike Piazza fan. So she bought an expensive jersey and was going to have Piazza sign it. Another flight attendant told this gal that Piazza was a big jerk and not to even ask for the autograph. Now...the first flight attendant didn't even know what Piazza looked like...he was sitting in the back of the plane near her gear...and the jersey was in plain view. Piazza asked the flight attendant what the jersey was for. She replied that she was going to have Piazza sign it but heard that he was a big jerk. He grabbed the jersey and signed it and said..."Hey...I'm Piazza". They hit it off big time and he was an exceedingly nice guy. One of my favorite stories. [/ QUOTE ] Good laugh...thanks. Speaking of the Mets...I better go get some Spring Training Tickets for Port St. Lucie... Let's Go Mets!

February 22nd, 2005, 11:27	#14
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? I was thinking about trying to catch a game or two myself. After the disappointing year last year, I'm looking forward to a good Mets season......finally.

February 22nd, 2005, 18:41	#15
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,952	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? [ QUOTE ] I was thinking about trying to catch a game or two myself. After the disappointing year last year, I'm looking forward to a good Mets season......finally. [/ QUOTE ] Wait...I'm not the only one?

February 22nd, 2005, 18:49	#16
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? Believe it or not. I've been a Mets fan since about 89 when Gooden, Strawberry, Carter and HoJo were still on the team.

February 22nd, 2005, 18:53	#17
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,952	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? [ QUOTE ] Believe it or not. I've been a Mets fan since about 89 when Gooden, Strawberry, Carter and HoJo were still on the team. [/ QUOTE ] Well I was only 4 at that time, but wow. Currently a Die Hard fan, so I'll definitely be taking a trip down to Tradition Field when I get to Vero in 2 weeks. God I hope Pedro can hold it together for just one year. Please god, please!

February 22nd, 2005, 18:56	#18
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? I'm just hoping some deranged Jankee fan doesn't take the subway to a Mets game to take him out in revenge.....

February 22nd, 2005, 19:09	#19
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,952	Re: Domestic, Flag and Supplemental Carrier/Ops?????? [ QUOTE ] I'm just hoping some deranged Jankee fan doesn't take the subway to a Mets game to take him out in revenge..... [/ QUOTE ] I call them the Skankees...

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