darn youngins.......

[MikeD]

On another thread, I noted how people thought it seemed to be a "good idea" to squawk 7700 in conjunction with NORDO at some point. Made me think they were too young to remember when 7700 for 1 minute followed by 7600 was the NORDO procedure.

Made me wonder what kind of other things the yougin's never dealt with in their career.

How many of us have flown in PCA/ARSA/ATA, when they still existed (not their current equivilents)?

Anyone ever navigated via a Fan Marker? Consolan Station?

Anyone ever used VLF/OMEGA?

Anyone flown a Cessna single-engine RG that actually had gear doors for the main gear?

Anyone remember life before Flight Service Stations were automated? Back when, in Arizona, you could walk into Phoenix, Tucson, or Douglas FSS, and the briefer would be printing out the 12/24 hour progs, radar summarys, and WX depiction charts on the paper printer....then taking the colored markers and marking them up...then tacking them to the wall atop the older charts of the same types, so you the pilot could flip through them and get trending info?

Anyone flown a Cessna single that had 40 flaps setting?

Anyone that would have desired to fly the Piper PA-48?

Any others the old heads around can think of?

[tonyw]

I've flown a couple of C172s with the 40 degree flap settings. Boy, talk about putting some barn doors down. Wanna lose some altitude fast? Dump full flaps and see what happens!

[mastermags]

I've flown the 40 degree flaps setting as well, but as for everything else.... that would be negative.

[kellwolf]

Good way to slow down, too. We call the 40 degree setting the "anchor." Mike, I'm sure there are a lot of us that have flown 172s with 40 degrees of flaps. As for those other ones, well I think I speak Russian better than the gibberish you were spouting.

[aloft]

You tryin' to prove what an old fogey you are, Mike?

[GaTechKid]

All of us youngins will probably get quizzical looks in 25-30 years as we tell our FOs about this darn NDB system we had back in the day.

FAA to eliminate redundant instrument approaches

[FlyChicaga]

I just feel fortunate for two things:

Shooting an NDB approach in actual on a revenue 121 flight.

Being able to fly an airliner that was /A, ALL the time. Not just when broken.

I have flown a Cessna with flaps 40 though.

[project7]

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We call the 40 degree setting the "anchor."

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We call it the "barn door".

[Minnesota_Flyer]

Sadly, I'm not even that young.

I have flown a Cessna with 40 degree flaps (which were extended with about a 1-1/2-foot pole on the floor, which could not be reached for the first notch with a shoulder harness on -- but I digress).

Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about.

[mrivc211]

Never knew this till I got to Skywest and flew with older guys but, if you taxied into the gate with flaps down, that meant there was a hijack/emergency of some sort.

And then theres pan pan, pan pan, pan pan!!!!

[MikeD]

People here don't remember Airport Traffic Areas and the like? OMG, we've got a bunch of FNGs around these parts. I'm old.

No one remembers when there were OMEGA stations, about 8 or so around the globe?

Anyone ever used LORAN-C? How about LORAN-A (even before my time).

Consolans were akin to NDBs, but were LF. Cool thing was, they had a useable range of a little over 800 NM.

Man......without your cool little Garmin's, today's pilots would be some lost puppies.

[MQAAord]

I learned about PCAs & the like, my dad did his primary training in 1990 and I picked up a lot from his books.

I have used Loran-C

Yup, I'm old. Or at least getting there....

[Polarbear]

We have a T210F we work on in class that has doors for the main gear.

[EatSleepFly]

I've:

-Used Loran-C
-Flown the Cessnas with 40 deg. of flaps (and the ones that had the manual extension)
-Got 35 hours in an old 210 with gear doors (which are a maintenance pain in the arse, by the way).

Ahhh...the joys of instructing in the Part 61 world!

[MikeD]

[ QUOTE ]
I've:

-Used Loran-C
-Flown the Cessnas with 40 deg. of flaps (and the ones that had the manual extension)
-Got 35 hours in an old 210 with gear doors (which are a maintenance pain in the arse, by the way).

Ahhh...the joys of instructing in the Part 61 world!

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Cool!

Polarbear/ESP, that's exactly what I was referring to: the older 210 series with the gear doors. Neat to see them here and there still.

[SteveC]

Some of us still use Loran. I currently fly a C-401and a King Air in Part135 that are both slant India. Each has a single nav unit that is combination VOR-DME RNAV / Loran (made by Foster, I believe). Not very user-friendly and a tough learning curve, so I filed a fair number of flights slant Alpha while getting up to speed on that mother. 430/530's and KLN89/90/94's are a piece of cake in comparison.

The dang thing only has 100 data points that can be stored in memory, so we are constantly erasing VORs or airports from memory, then programming in the ones we need for a trip. We have to manually define each VOR (lat / long, frequency, and ID) and airport (lat/long and ID) that we enter into the database. My standard answer when cleared direct to an intersection somewhere is "unable, request vector".

Might as well bring the A/N ranges back....

[Doug Taylor]

Oh man, I remember when your dad flew into PRC in the 182 and we went out to the airport to look at the airplane. Then you showed me that the nifty little box on the panel (I think it was LORAN at the time) gave direction and distance to ATL.

Funny how fast technology moves!

[Dazzler]

What's a Fan Marker?

(I'm guessing it's something to do with ILS outer, middle and inner markers.)

[Polarbear]

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Polarbear/ESP, that's exactly what I was referring to: the older 210 series with the gear doors. Neat to see them here and there still.

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Yeah it is a shame though, probably wont fly again since its in a part 147 aviation maintenance school. Its been pretty abused but is still good for learning how to fix things. What is more interesting is the Kingair 65-90 I have a picture of under my name. According to the school it used to be used to fly LBJ around TX. Its also one of the early models that the gear doors didnt cover the main wheels. I love sitting in the cockpit during breaks and imagineing what it was like to fly it. Unfortunately it to is pretty beat up and will probably never fly again, but it is a neat airplane.

[montanapilot]

my step dad who quit flying in 1991 still thinks Loran C is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

and i have flown a manual flaps cessna, wish they still made em that way

[Bandit_Driver]

Saddly enough I remember almost all that stuff:

Flown a Flaps 40 Skyhawk
Flown in a ARSA
Flown a 121 flight that ended with a full NDB approach
Learned VLF/OMEGA Nav but it was dcmd before I got to use it
FLOWN a LORAN C aircraft
My Company's entire fleet is /A
Anyone remember the Cessna 172's that had manual rudder trim wheel and skylights?
FLOWN a King Air with the old school RNAV

[Looking4Lower]

Anybody else hand-prop a plane on a regular basis? I did it for a summer while towing banners in Cubs, and a few other times here and there...

...or anybody fly actual IFR in a plane with an old-school black-and-white Artificial Horizon...the kind with the "sky pointer" and the little white horizon line?

I swear I'm not an old guy, I've just flown some old airplanes.

[Bandit_Driver]

only hand propped a plane once...Then I refused to do it....

I have a few hours in a lear 23 that hand that old school AI as the backup...

[BuckTurgidson]

Mike,

About a year ago, when I was brokering airplanes, I sold one for a local gentleman that I think you would of enjoyed. It was an immaculate 1978 210. It still had the gear doors, a very low time factory engine, recent paint and interior, and some nicely updated avionics (okay, maybe you wouldn't like the last part) .

One of the neat things about the job was the opportunity to fly a lot of different GA planes. I had days when I would fly a Baron in the morning, a Mooney in the afternoon and finish up with hand propping a 1943 Cub for a little sightseeing before sunset.

Also, I would be all over a PA-48.

FlyChicaga,

Saw you in the Stop Over Store last week. You were on your cell phone, or I would have said "hi".

[DE727UPS]

Fan Markers are a leftover from the "radio range" era. And, as old as MikeD likes to make himself look. I'd like to challange anyone from the radio range era to speak up...doubt there are any here. Not me.

Look up the VOR-A into Wenatchee, WA. It still has the Malaga Fan Marker as a stepdown fix. At least that is one thing that hasn't changed since I got my IFR rating there in 1980.

Basically, a fan marker is like a marker beacon, it transmitts straight up on 75MHZ and makes the white lite on your marker panel go off.