darn youngins....... - Page 2

FlyChicaga · February 20th, 2005, 23:53

Dude, sorry I missed ya! I was meeting up with a buddy from new-hire training and was trying to coordinate. Next time just smack the phone off my ear.

tonyw · February 20th, 2005, 23:55

I tell ya what, I'm learning how to fly using those fancy new fangled devices and I gotta say something.

It's cool to have all of that stuff, and yes, it certainly adds a level of safety to the cockpit environment.

But it's so much cooler to fly by looking out the window!

project7 · February 20th, 2005, 23:56

[ QUOTE ]
...or anybody fly actual IFR in a plane with an old-school black-and-white Artificial Horizon...the kind with the "sky pointer" and the little white horizon line?

[/ QUOTE ]

The right seat in the Aztec I fly has one of those.

FlyChicaga · February 21st, 2005, 00:17

[ QUOTE ]
I tell ya what, I'm learning how to fly using those fancy new fangled devices and I gotta say something.

It's cool to have all of that stuff, and yes, it certainly adds a level of safety to the cockpit environment.

But it's so much cooler to fly by looking out the window!

[/ QUOTE ]

The other night coming into Boston...

Capt: "Here, want me to arm approach mode?"
Me: "Nah, here [clicks off flight director] I'm going to do it like this."
Capt: "Whoa, alright man, if you say so."

tonyw · February 21st, 2005, 00:46

[ QUOTE ]
The other night coming into Boston...

Capt: "Here, want me to arm approach mode?"
Me: "Nah, here [clicks off flight director] I'm going to do it like this."
Capt: "Whoa, alright man, if you say so."

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm with ya! I'm flying a lot under the hood so that I can get that instrument rating. And you know what?

It sucks. I'm fixated on these stupid screens when there's a gorgeous world out there to see.

I know I have to do it and I know why it has to be done. But I still think it sucks.

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 00:58

Bandit Driver: Good reminder! I'd forgotten about the Cessna singles with the manual rudder trim and the two skylights!

Buck Turgidson: A '78 210? That would've been neat to see. I can still remember when the first P210s were coming out.....I believe the N-model was the first one, the one that had the WX radar hanging in a pod under the wing. Neat aircraft.

DE727: Radio Range era! Nice. It's funny, you go east of PHX into the Apache Junction area, and just north of the town there, near the Bush Highway, is the old large white PHOENIX sign on the south face of a large hill with an arrow pointing west that the US Mail pilots used to use. Neat stuff.

Don, you ever use a comm radio with the frequencies tuned in kilocycles?

DE727UPS · February 21st, 2005, 01:26

"Don, you ever use a comm radio with the frequencies tuned in kilocycles?"

No dude...I'm not that friggen old.

I've seen the old "compass style" directional gyros.
I used to get airport advisories from Wenatchee FSS for traffic info.
I've practiced DF steers.
I've even remember to speaking face to face with a flight service briefer.

Gawd...the good old days.

How much longer you in Vegas for?

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 01:40

[ QUOTE ]
"Don, you ever use a comm radio with the frequencies tuned in kilocycles?"

No dude...I'm not that friggen old.

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL. Just kidding with you!

[ QUOTE ]

I've seen the old "compass style" directional gyros.
I used to get airport advisories from Wenatchee FSS for traffic info.
I've practiced DF steers.
I've even remember to speaking face to face with a flight service briefer.

Gawd...the good old days.

How much longer you in Vegas for?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yup same. DF steers.....practice only, of course.

FSSs that provided airport advisory service......I remember that at Imperial, California. Used the old 123.6 freq.

Face to face with FSS briefers...........good old times.

Vegas will be for another 3 weeks. Gotta train our tactics to see what works and what doesn't.

SteveC · February 21st, 2005, 09:58

[ QUOTE ]
...I've seen the old "compass style" directional gyros.

[/ QUOTE ]

Quite a few years back I used to fly a C-310(K model) with one of those. Hated it. It would have been OK if I flew that plane enough to get used to it, but I was always switching planes and that dang thing always was operating *backwards*. I flew one of my worst ILS approaches in that plane - ceilings were about 400 foot, flying into PHL, busy day and a tight turn-on - and I was all over the place. I think I almost got full scale deflection on both sides of the localizer on that one. High workload environment (single pilot) and every time I'd want to make a small heading adjustment (or my heading would start to wander a little) I'd look at that dang DG and make the initial turn the wrong direction. Ugh. After that trip I quickly learned the "Left turn for Lower heading numbers" trick rather than looking to the DG.

Thanks for the bad memories.....

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 10:02

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for the bad memories.....

[/ QUOTE ]

That's what this thread is all about......well, maybe not all about.

Of course, then there's ROFCIBC, who can remember the cockpits that had 5 crewmembers on the KC-97.....pilot/co-pilot/FE/Nav/ and radio operator.

Bog · February 21st, 2005, 16:37

I remember when the temperature in the ATIS was given in F, not C.

Got my PPL in '88, so all those "old" airspace designators used to be quite fresh. No more, though.

I do remember the old, real VFR Corridor over the top of LAX. Those were the days.

Flight directors are nice, but I rarely use them. The last time the autopilot was on below 5000' ... I can't remember. I took this job to fly, not program a computer.

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 16:41

Heck I remember getting all hyped-up when I ran into my first non-slaved HSI in a PA44!

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 17:27

[ QUOTE ]
Flight directors are nice, but I rarely use them. The last time the autopilot was on below 5000' ... I can't remember. I took this job to fly, not program a computer.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ouch, that hurts. Wish I could still claim that in my airframe!

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 17:28

Ballast-Boy!

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 17:29

[ QUOTE ]
Ballast-Boy!

[/ QUOTE ]

Yup. I'm sort of like an Air Force Nav, or Naval Flight Officer now.........

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 17:32

That should be your callsign on 'blow out the phones'!

MikeD · February 21st, 2005, 17:33

[ QUOTE ]
That should be your callsign on 'blow out the phones'!

[/ QUOTE ]

That's cool that you heard me today on the radio!

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 17:38

Mohan rocks. One of the only guys on the AM dial that isn't beholden to any specific party's floatsam.

Bog · February 21st, 2005, 18:29

Is floatsam like flotsam?

Doug Taylor · February 21st, 2005, 18:37

You know how it is, yo.

Minnesota_Flyer · February 21st, 2005, 19:14

[ QUOTE ]
Naval Flight Officer

[/ QUOTE ]No Future Outside????

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

FlyNavy · February 21st, 2005, 19:26

Hey Mike D, are you in the guard or something? What do you do / fly?

SteveC · February 21st, 2005, 19:32

[ QUOTE ]
Hey Mike D, are you in the guard or something? What do you do / fly?

[/ QUOTE ]

Capt. Mike Daftarian, USAF F-117A Stealth pilot; perspective article (click here)

FlyNavy · February 21st, 2005, 19:45

**Genuflects humbly**

Sorry for the noob oversight!

MikeD, you acquainted with "Dorf" Dorman? He did an exchange tour in my squadron around 2001.

SteveC · February 21st, 2005, 19:55

[ QUOTE ]
**Genuflects humbly**

Sorry for the noob oversight!

MikeD, you acquainted with "Dorf" Dorman? He did an exchange tour in my squadron around 2001.

[/ QUOTE ]

Geez, don't genuflect. Don't want to give the dude a big head or anything.

It wasn't a noob oversight anyway. It's not a requirement to read everything on the front page before entering the forums.

(Hope my post didn't come across that way, anyway)

Ciao!

February 20th, 2005, 23:53	#26
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,783	Re: darn youngins....... Dude, sorry I missed ya! I was meeting up with a buddy from new-hire training and was trying to coordinate. Next time just smack the phone off my ear.

February 20th, 2005, 23:55	#27
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,323	Re: darn youngins....... I tell ya what, I'm learning how to fly using those fancy new fangled devices and I gotta say something. It's cool to have all of that stuff, and yes, it certainly adds a level of safety to the cockpit environment. But it's so much cooler to fly by looking out the window!

February 20th, 2005, 23:56	#28
project7 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 430	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] ...or anybody fly actual IFR in a plane with an old-school black-and-white Artificial Horizon...the kind with the "sky pointer" and the little white horizon line? [/ QUOTE ] The right seat in the Aztec I fly has one of those.

February 21st, 2005, 00:17	#29
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,783	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] I tell ya what, I'm learning how to fly using those fancy new fangled devices and I gotta say something. It's cool to have all of that stuff, and yes, it certainly adds a level of safety to the cockpit environment. But it's so much cooler to fly by looking out the window! [/ QUOTE ] The other night coming into Boston... Capt: "Here, want me to arm approach mode?" Me: "Nah, here [clicks off flight director] I'm going to do it like this." Capt: "Whoa, alright man, if you say so."

February 21st, 2005, 00:46	#30
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,323	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] The other night coming into Boston... Capt: "Here, want me to arm approach mode?" Me: "Nah, here [clicks off flight director] I'm going to do it like this." Capt: "Whoa, alright man, if you say so." [/ QUOTE ] I'm with ya! I'm flying a lot under the hood so that I can get that instrument rating. And you know what? It sucks. I'm fixated on these stupid screens when there's a gorgeous world out there to see. I know I have to do it and I know why it has to be done. But I still think it sucks.

February 21st, 2005, 00:58	#31
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: darn youngins....... Bandit Driver: Good reminder! I'd forgotten about the Cessna singles with the manual rudder trim and the two skylights! Buck Turgidson: A '78 210? That would've been neat to see. I can still remember when the first P210s were coming out.....I believe the N-model was the first one, the one that had the WX radar hanging in a pod under the wing. Neat aircraft. DE727: Radio Range era! Nice. It's funny, you go east of PHX into the Apache Junction area, and just north of the town there, near the Bush Highway, is the old large white PHOENIX sign on the south face of a large hill with an arrow pointing west that the US Mail pilots used to use. Neat stuff. Don, you ever use a comm radio with the frequencies tuned in kilocycles?

February 21st, 2005, 01:26	#32
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,514	Re: darn youngins....... "Don, you ever use a comm radio with the frequencies tuned in kilocycles?" No dude...I'm not that friggen old. I've seen the old "compass style" directional gyros. I used to get airport advisories from Wenatchee FSS for traffic info. I've practiced DF steers. I've even remember to speaking face to face with a flight service briefer. Gawd...the good old days. How much longer you in Vegas for?

February 21st, 2005, 01:40	#33
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] "Don, you ever use a comm radio with the frequencies tuned in kilocycles?" No dude...I'm not that friggen old. [/ QUOTE ] LOL. Just kidding with you! [ QUOTE ] I've seen the old "compass style" directional gyros. I used to get airport advisories from Wenatchee FSS for traffic info. I've practiced DF steers. I've even remember to speaking face to face with a flight service briefer. Gawd...the good old days. How much longer you in Vegas for? [/ QUOTE ] Yup same. DF steers.....practice only, of course. FSSs that provided airport advisory service......I remember that at Imperial, California. Used the old 123.6 freq. Face to face with FSS briefers...........good old times. Vegas will be for another 3 weeks. Gotta train our tactics to see what works and what doesn't.

February 21st, 2005, 09:58	#34
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,435	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] ...I've seen the old "compass style" directional gyros. [/ QUOTE ] Quite a few years back I used to fly a C-310(K model) with one of those. Hated it. It would have been OK if I flew that plane enough to get used to it, but I was always switching planes and that dang thing always was operating backwards. I flew one of my worst ILS approaches in that plane - ceilings were about 400 foot, flying into PHL, busy day and a tight turn-on - and I was all over the place. I think I almost got full scale deflection on both sides of the localizer on that one. High workload environment (single pilot) and every time I'd want to make a small heading adjustment (or my heading would start to wander a little) I'd look at that dang DG and make the initial turn the wrong direction. Ugh. After that trip I quickly learned the "Left turn for Lower heading numbers" trick rather than looking to the DG. Thanks for the bad memories.....

February 21st, 2005, 10:02	#35
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] Thanks for the bad memories..... [/ QUOTE ] That's what this thread is all about......well, maybe not all about. Of course, then there's ROFCIBC, who can remember the cockpits that had 5 crewmembers on the KC-97.....pilot/co-pilot/FE/Nav/ and radio operator.

February 21st, 2005, 16:37	#36
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: darn youngins....... I remember when the temperature in the ATIS was given in F, not C. Got my PPL in '88, so all those "old" airspace designators used to be quite fresh. No more, though. I do remember the old, real VFR Corridor over the top of LAX. Those were the days. Flight directors are nice, but I rarely use them. The last time the autopilot was on below 5000' ... I can't remember. I took this job to fly, not program a computer.

February 21st, 2005, 16:41	#37
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: darn youngins....... Heck I remember getting all hyped-up when I ran into my first non-slaved HSI in a PA44!

February 21st, 2005, 17:27	#38
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] Flight directors are nice, but I rarely use them. The last time the autopilot was on below 5000' ... I can't remember. I took this job to fly, not program a computer. [/ QUOTE ] Ouch, that hurts. Wish I could still claim that in my airframe!

February 21st, 2005, 17:28	#39
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: darn youngins....... Ballast-Boy!

February 21st, 2005, 17:29	#40
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] Ballast-Boy! [/ QUOTE ] Yup. I'm sort of like an Air Force Nav, or Naval Flight Officer now.........

February 21st, 2005, 17:32	#41
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: darn youngins....... That should be your callsign on 'blow out the phones'!

February 21st, 2005, 17:33	#42
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] That should be your callsign on 'blow out the phones'! [/ QUOTE ] That's cool that you heard me today on the radio!

February 21st, 2005, 17:38	#43
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: darn youngins....... Mohan rocks. One of the only guys on the AM dial that isn't beholden to any specific party's floatsam.

February 21st, 2005, 18:29	#44
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: darn youngins....... Is floatsam like flotsam?

February 21st, 2005, 18:37	#45
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,240 Blog Entries: 1	Re: darn youngins....... You know how it is, yo.

February 21st, 2005, 19:14	#46
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 1,896	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] Naval Flight Officer [/ QUOTE ]No Future Outside???? Sorry, I couldn't resist.

February 21st, 2005, 19:26	#47
FlyNavy Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 255	Re: darn youngins....... Hey Mike D, are you in the guard or something? What do you do / fly?

February 21st, 2005, 19:32	#48
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,435	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] Hey Mike D, are you in the guard or something? What do you do / fly? [/ QUOTE ] Capt. Mike Daftarian, USAF F-117A Stealth pilot; perspective article (click here)

February 21st, 2005, 19:45	#49
FlyNavy Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 255	Re: darn youngins....... Genuflects humbly Sorry for the noob oversight! MikeD, you acquainted with "Dorf" Dorman? He did an exchange tour in my squadron around 2001.

February 21st, 2005, 19:55	#50
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,435	Re: darn youngins....... [ QUOTE ] Genuflects humbly Sorry for the noob oversight! MikeD, you acquainted with "Dorf" Dorman? He did an exchange tour in my squadron around 2001. [/ QUOTE ] Geez, don't genuflect. Don't want to give the dude a big head or anything. It wasn't a noob oversight anyway. It's not a requirement to read everything on the front page before entering the forums. (Hope my post didn't come across that way, anyway) Ciao!

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