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February 11th, 2005, 21:22
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast
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 |  What would YOU do A great buddy of mine who is an instructor is coming upon a dilema. He has done an awesome job instructing and is ready to move on to the next step in his professional flight career. He had a group interview with Airline A. Airline A is an AWESOME regional carrier that seems to treat its employees right, has a huge expansive route network and is a top choice to work for. He made it past the first round of interviews, which he was only a handful of CFIs in that round, most were furloughed pilots from other places with jet time under their belt. He has been offered an interview in another city next month with them. Airline B is a regional carrier that is no were as big as Airline A. Airline B is a 'typical' regional. Pretty much the ONLY advantage to Airline B is that upgrade times are much faster at this time. He has passed the sim ride at this airline, went for an interview and is waiting to hear from them. If he gets a job offer for this airline he thinks he will start training a few days before his scheduled interview with Airline A. Here is his dilema and I am seeking your advice to try to help him out. What would you do. Say he is offered a job at Airline B for a training date that starts a few days before he can interview at Airline A, what would you do? Turn this job down, take a gamble and go to Airline A? Or should he take the job at Airline B because there are no guarantees he will get the job with Airline A? This is an AWESOME guy and is ready to move on. He REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY wants Airline A. He has contacted Airline A to see if there are any cancellations were he MIGHT be able to interview earlier before his training would start at Airline B. He is waiting to hear from them. What would you do? |
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February 11th, 2005, 21:28
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati
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| Re: What would YOU do Dude just say the name of the Airlines.... |
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February 11th, 2005, 21:40
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast
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| Re: What would YOU do [ QUOTE ] Dude just say the name of the Airlines.... [/ QUOTE ] Nope sorry. First off I am posting this on my own. I doubt he would be mad that I am posting this. I am trying to help him out. BUT, I don't want to give any information that COULD POSSIBLY hurt his chances. You never know who reads these boards. Secondly, I am pretty sure there are pilots from these both respected airlines on this board. I want to get unbiased information. |
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February 11th, 2005, 21:45
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun
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| Re: What would YOU do i m betting A is Comair, ASA, CHQ, or Horizon and B probably is Mesa or Great Lakes. |
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February 11th, 2005, 22:19
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| Junior Member  Join Date: May 2004 Location: Prescott, AZ
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| Re: What would YOU do Mesa is neither typical nor do we do a sim ride during our interviews... Go with A...if B is desperate the offer will stay at least luke warm. I'm guessing B is American Eagle and A is Express Jet...  |
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February 11th, 2005, 22:21
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ??
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| Re: What would YOU do My advice to him would be to take the one that is the sure thing. Otherwise it's a gamble, he could turn down that one for the interview with the other, and end up not getting either. |
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February 11th, 2005, 22:23
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Sep 2000
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| Re: What would YOU do Go with the one he's gonna be happier at. He's gonna spend an extensive period of time at the regionals since the majors aren't doing to great. Might as well be a good 4 or 5 years. |
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February 11th, 2005, 23:04
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bermuda Triangle
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| Re: What would YOU do Definately go with the sure one! You can always move up and switch jobs later on. But definately, don't hurt yourself, so just go with the sure one. |
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February 11th, 2005, 23:28
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer
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| Re: What would YOU do A |
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February 11th, 2005, 23:36
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati
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| Re: What would YOU do Ok I doubt having the airline names on this board will have any affect on your friend because noone has any clue who his name is, but anyway.........I would think there is alot more to think about, like where he would be based etc. I mean you odnt want to live somewhere that your miserable... But it's hard to give advice when you say airline A and B, cause that narrows it down to like every regional airline depending on your opinion ... |
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February 12th, 2005, 02:10
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| Big Chief's Woman  | Re: What would YOU do [ QUOTE ] You can always move up and switch jobs later on. [/ QUOTE ]Dunno where you heard that from but when you switch pilot jobs, you start back at the bottom of the seniority totem pole (not the place you want to be unless your moving from regional to major).... If he really wants to fly for Airline A rather than Airline B, then he should try for Airline A.... However, it really doesn't hurt if he accepts a job from Airline B before he hears from Airline A (to be on the safe side)... if Airline A comes thru, then he could jump ship... it's not the preferred method, but it is a way to move up and since Airline B is a typ regional - they see that type of thing happen quite a bit! I believe a couple of people (thru the years) on this site have had that experience. you see people doing that even with regular 9-5 jobs too when it's a fight between companies...people accept and then they "change their minds" or get a "better offer". it happens and isn't necessarily considered a "black mark". the question from here would be how to handle the 2nd interview with Airline A if he starts training with Airline B before the Airline A interview...that's a hard one and if he can move that puppy up then by all means, have him do it! it's also not unacceptable to call and let a company know that you really want to work for their company but Airline B has offered employment, can they move the interview up? at least in the 9-5 world, companies like to hear that your really interested in working for them and it's not considered over the limit or out of bounds... just a 0.02 from the "outside pnt of view" for what it's worth... |
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February 12th, 2005, 09:42
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 4,750
| Re: What would YOU do If he really wants Airline A, then he needs to go for Airline A. There is no point going with another company "thinking" it might open opportunities anywhere faster. Go for your goals, and when those seems completely out of reach, do you start going to "B" plans. By the way, goals are only out of reach when 1) the company you like goes under, 2) something out of your control interferes, like a medical condition, or 3) when YOU DECIDE that they are out of reach. |
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February 12th, 2005, 11:52
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland
Posts: 15,165
  | Re: What would YOU do If he's got his heart set on airline a, then he should go for it. Otherwise, for the rest of his life, he will be asking himself "what if?" Trust me. I know about this "what if" stuff all too well. |
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February 12th, 2005, 14:39
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| Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: _
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| Re: What would YOU do [ QUOTE ] Airline A is an AWESOME regional carrier that seems to treat its employees right, has a huge expansive route network and is a top choice to work for. He made it past the first round of interviews, which he was only a handful of CFIs in that round, most were furloughed pilots from other places with jet time under their belt. He has been offered an interview in another city next month with them. [/ QUOTE ] Has to be Skywest - they're the only ones I know of that do group interviews. Instructors from our school interviewed there and were also among the few CFI's in the ranks. I think they just did a round of interviews in SLC (?) and have a few more rounds coming up next week (another instructor is going on one of those). Upgrade time isn't too shabby there - if it is indeed skywest - my fellow cfi's were talking 2 years. Remember the old saying though - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush  .~wheelsup |
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February 12th, 2005, 17:39
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop
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| Re: What would YOU do No no no....you got it wrong: it's "a hand in the bush is worth two on the bird (English sense of the word)".  I say take B; A will likely still be interviewing after he's finished IOE and is on reserve--and the Part 121 experience will make him that much more appealing to A anyway. |
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