Flew by ATL last night....

MikeD · December 10th, 2004, 17:27

..and there appeared to be a Delta L-1011 on the ramp. Doug, is there still one there in storage or something?

Screaming_Emu · December 10th, 2004, 17:35

hey mike, is it kosher for you to take a camera with you flying as long as you dont take a picture of anything you're not supposed to, or is that a big no no?

MikeD · December 10th, 2004, 17:54

[ QUOTE ]
hey mike, is it kosher for you to take a camera with you flying as long as you dont take a picture of anything you're not supposed to, or is that a big no no?

[/ QUOTE ]

There's two restrictions for me in the postion I hold:

1. Single seat aircraft aren't allowed to have cameras aboard unless it's specific to the mission.....ie- they want you photographing something if you see it. Not done much anymore, but used to be that cameras would be checked out prior to the mission in combat. Too many guys had nothing to take pics of, so they'd take pics of themselves or the weather or something like that. Intel didn't like that, so that practice went away. Peacetime, cameras are prohibited in single-seat aircraft, like I said before.

2. The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit without really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up.

Cameras are allowed in crew planes, such as transports, tankers, and helos.......which is why you see pics from the insides of them alot.

USMCmech · December 10th, 2004, 18:01

I used to keep a disposeable camera in my bag just in case.

Screaming_Emu · December 10th, 2004, 18:15

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
hey mike, is it kosher for you to take a camera with you flying as long as you dont take a picture of anything you're not supposed to, or is that a big no no?

[/ QUOTE ]

There's two restrictions for me in the postion I hold:

1. Single seat aircraft aren't allowed to have cameras aboard unless it's specific to the mission.....ie- they want you photographing something if you see it. Not done much anymore, but used to be that cameras would be checked out prior to the mission in combat. Too many guys had nothing to take pics of, so they'd take pics of themselves or the weather or something like that. Intel didn't like that, so that practice went away. Peacetime, cameras are prohibited in single-seat aircraft, like I said before.

2. The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit withoug really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up.

Cameras are allowed in crew planes, such as transports, tankers, and helos.......which is why you see pics from the insides of them alot.

[/ QUOTE ]

I figured as much. I bet you see a bunch of cool stuff that you go "doh, I wish I could get a picture of that". But I figured that there would be something in the cockpit that we're not supposed to see that would prevent you from doing that. Thx for the answer.

A300Capt · December 10th, 2004, 19:01

[ QUOTE ]
The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit without really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up.

[/ QUOTE ]

Aw, c'mon, Mike......we won't tell anyone. What's the big deal with a few cockpit pictures anyway?!? It's not like there are any secrets among us JCareers folks, is there?

MikeD · December 10th, 2004, 19:04

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit without really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up.

[/ QUOTE ]

Aw, c'mon, Mike......we won't tell anyone. What's the big deal with a few cockpit pictures anyway?!? It's not like there are any secrets among us JCareers folks, is there?

[/ QUOTE ]

I could.......but I'd shortly disappear.............MikeD who? We've never heard of him in the USAF

JEP · December 10th, 2004, 19:24

[ QUOTE ]
I could.......but I'd shortly disappear.

[/ QUOTE ]

You'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dogs*$t out of Hong Kong !

Screaming_Emu · December 10th, 2004, 19:34

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit without really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up.

[/ QUOTE ]

Aw, c'mon, Mike......we won't tell anyone. What's the big deal with a few cockpit pictures anyway?!? It's not like there are any secrets among us J

and more than likely you could tell us the name of the switches we're not supposed to know about and most of us still wouldn't have a clue what its for ;-)

Doug Taylor · December 10th, 2004, 23:49

Probably a MD-11 you saw -- the flapless glider!

PeanuckleCRJ · December 11th, 2004, 00:36

There was an MD-11 sitting up on the north ramp today when i passed through...as well as another one wearing world colors but a delta tail over by technical operations.

Doug Taylor · December 11th, 2004, 00:51

Northside is the glider and on the south side it's got a big "World Airways" on the fuselage.

BobDDuck · December 11th, 2004, 00:52

[ QUOTE ]
Probably a MD-11 you saw -- the flapless glider!

[/ QUOTE ]

I was stuck in Pensecola for a whole bunch of hours once over the summer (combination of a Presidential TFR and a whole lot of thunderstorms) and was talking to a retired Delta captain who was waiting out the storms to fly his Baron back home. He flew the MD11 at one point and was talking about how after the accident in Halifax everybody who flew the -11 knew that they would be seeing a similar situation in the sim the next time they were there. I don't know the specifics but it had something to do with an inflight fire or engine failure and they were too high to safely land in Halfax and overshot the runway. Anyhow, he was saying that sure enough the next sim ride he got the same scenario. But he got it down on the runway. Apparently the sim op thought he had cheated because so far nobody had been able to land it safely. Apparently he was able to get it on the runway by side slipping the aircraft like a C172. The sim instructor didn't believe him until he tried it himself and sure enough it worked. Anyhow, it may be a flapless glider but it will come down like any other aircraft.

Ethan

Doug Taylor · December 11th, 2004, 01:06

There was an engine fire at the maintenace hangar which burned the leading and trailing edge flaps before it was extinguished. The aircraft had already been retired and since it was no longer in flyable condition, they've been scavenging parts off of it.

adreamer · December 11th, 2004, 06:10

I know Fedex, UPS, and world airway fly those MD-11s. How much money can Delta make by selling those parts? I am just wondering.

adreamer

I_Money · December 11th, 2004, 11:44

Doug with Kristie as your avatar - it confuses me slightly - I was like wow Kristie is technical.

Doug Taylor · December 11th, 2004, 11:45

I'm confused too! I've got to change it to something else!

A300Capt · December 11th, 2004, 14:59

[ QUOTE ]
But he got it down on the runway. Apparently the sim op thought he had cheated because so far nobody had been able to land it safely. Apparently he was able to get it on the runway by side slipping the aircraft like a C172. The sim instructor didn't believe him until he tried it himself and sure enough it worked.

[/ QUOTE ]

He got down in time because he was armed with the knowledge and urgency of the situation brought about from the Halifax Swiss Air MD11 accident. Hindsight is always 20/20 and future crews learned an important lesson from this tragic accident. Get it on the ground NOW! The Swiss Air crew elected to troubleshoot the problem and honestly, who could blame them? They unfortunately wasted precious seconds/minutes troubleshooting instead of just getting it on the ground. A lot of us, prior to this accident, probably would have done the same thing they did.

A FedEx DC10 crew did an outstanding job of getting their aircraft on the ground in Newburg Pa a couple years ago after getting a cargo smoke/fire indication. The aircraft burned to the ground shortly after landing and everyone escaped uninjured due to the quick thinking of the crew. I'm sure they were thinking about the Halifax accident.

BTW, slipping a large transport category jet is not a good thing and certainly not something I'd go around bragging about. Can it be done? Sure. It's an airplane. Is it smart? No. Not only are you putting a lot of stress on the vertical stab (not good in an Airbus

), but you run the risk of compressor stalling engines due to potentially blocking smooth airflow. Now you have even more problems to deal with if you flame something out while dealing with a fire or smoke situation. Why not just do a quick 360 near the field to lose altitude while throwing the gear out and applying speedbrakes?

I_Money · December 11th, 2004, 16:51

Cheers Doug - much better.

I the A300Capt raises lots of good points. I am sure if the crew of the Swissair flight knew they did not have the time they wouldn't have circled.

Nick · December 11th, 2004, 20:43

[ QUOTE ]
A FedEx DC10 crew did an outstanding job of getting their aircraft on the ground in Newburg Pa a couple years ago after getting a cargo smoke/fire indication.

[/ QUOTE ]

A300capt,
Do you mean Newburgh/Stewart, NY? (SWF) I think I remember reading something about a FedEx accident there years ago. I don't know of any Newburgh in PA.

A300Capt · December 11th, 2004, 20:51

[ QUOTE ]
A300capt,
Do you mean Newburgh/Stewart, NY?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, sorry...couldn't remember off hand the exact name of the place. Newburg or Newburgh stuck in my head. Just remember it being in the NE.

Kristie · December 11th, 2004, 21:35

/hijack!

what a nice family photo you've got there!! I like it!

/end hijack!

A300Capt · December 11th, 2004, 23:22

[ QUOTE ]
what a nice family photo you've got there!! I like it!

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks, Kristie. They keep me busy, but in a good way!

I was playing around with my new photo software and was able to reduce the size enough for the avatar.

Happy Holidays

FlyChicaga · December 11th, 2004, 23:49

What a great photo. Like Kristie said, you have a beautiful family!

A300Capt · December 12th, 2004, 09:14

Thanks, Matt.

December 10th, 2004, 17:27	#1
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Flew by ATL last night.... ..and there appeared to be a Delta L-1011 on the ramp. Doug, is there still one there in storage or something?

December 10th, 2004, 17:35	#2
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,248	Re: Flew by ATL yesterday... hey mike, is it kosher for you to take a camera with you flying as long as you dont take a picture of anything you're not supposed to, or is that a big no no?

December 10th, 2004, 17:54	#3
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Flew by ATL yesterday... [ QUOTE ] hey mike, is it kosher for you to take a camera with you flying as long as you dont take a picture of anything you're not supposed to, or is that a big no no? [/ QUOTE ] There's two restrictions for me in the postion I hold: 1. Single seat aircraft aren't allowed to have cameras aboard unless it's specific to the mission.....ie- they want you photographing something if you see it. Not done much anymore, but used to be that cameras would be checked out prior to the mission in combat. Too many guys had nothing to take pics of, so they'd take pics of themselves or the weather or something like that. Intel didn't like that, so that practice went away. Peacetime, cameras are prohibited in single-seat aircraft, like I said before. 2. The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit without really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up. Cameras are allowed in crew planes, such as transports, tankers, and helos.......which is why you see pics from the insides of them alot.

December 10th, 2004, 18:01	#4
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,607	Re: Flew by ATL last night... I used to keep a disposeable camera in my bag just in case.

December 10th, 2004, 18:15	#5
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,248	Re: Flew by ATL yesterday... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] hey mike, is it kosher for you to take a camera with you flying as long as you dont take a picture of anything you're not supposed to, or is that a big no no? [/ QUOTE ] There's two restrictions for me in the postion I hold: 1. Single seat aircraft aren't allowed to have cameras aboard unless it's specific to the mission.....ie- they want you photographing something if you see it. Not done much anymore, but used to be that cameras would be checked out prior to the mission in combat. Too many guys had nothing to take pics of, so they'd take pics of themselves or the weather or something like that. Intel didn't like that, so that practice went away. Peacetime, cameras are prohibited in single-seat aircraft, like I said before. 2. The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit withoug really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up. Cameras are allowed in crew planes, such as transports, tankers, and helos.......which is why you see pics from the insides of them alot. [/ QUOTE ] I figured as much. I bet you see a bunch of cool stuff that you go "doh, I wish I could get a picture of that". But I figured that there would be something in the cockpit that we're not supposed to see that would prevent you from doing that. Thx for the answer.

December 10th, 2004, 19:01	#6
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 709	Re: Flew by ATL yesterday... [ QUOTE ] The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit without really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up. [/ QUOTE ] Aw, c'mon, Mike......we won't tell anyone. What's the big deal with a few cockpit pictures anyway?!? It's not like there are any secrets among us JCareers folks, is there?

December 10th, 2004, 19:04	#7
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Flew by ATL yesterday... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit without really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up. [/ QUOTE ] Aw, c'mon, Mike......we won't tell anyone. What's the big deal with a few cockpit pictures anyway?!? It's not like there are any secrets among us JCareers folks, is there? [/ QUOTE ] I could.......but I'd shortly disappear.............MikeD who? We've never heard of him in the USAF

December 10th, 2004, 19:24	#8
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,710 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Flew by ATL yesterday... [ QUOTE ] I could.......but I'd shortly disappear. [/ QUOTE ] You'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dogs*$t out of Hong Kong !

December 10th, 2004, 19:34	#9
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,248	Re: Flew by ATL yesterday... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The specific jet I fly, I can't take pics of the cockpit due to certain systems and switches. There's no way to take a pic of the cockpit without really getting them in the pic, unless it's a ground trainer, or the sim.....or unless certain items are covered up. [/ QUOTE ] Aw, c'mon, Mike......we won't tell anyone. What's the big deal with a few cockpit pictures anyway?!? It's not like there are any secrets among us J and more than likely you could tell us the name of the switches we're not supposed to know about and most of us still wouldn't have a clue what its for ;-)

December 10th, 2004, 23:49	#10
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,430 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... Probably a MD-11 you saw -- the flapless glider!

December 11th, 2004, 00:36	#11
PeanuckleCRJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Where everybody's somebody Posts: 605	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... There was an MD-11 sitting up on the north ramp today when i passed through...as well as another one wearing world colors but a delta tail over by technical operations.

December 11th, 2004, 00:51	#12
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,430 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... Northside is the glider and on the south side it's got a big "World Airways" on the fuselage.

December 11th, 2004, 00:52	#13
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,521	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... [ QUOTE ] Probably a MD-11 you saw -- the flapless glider! [/ QUOTE ] I was stuck in Pensecola for a whole bunch of hours once over the summer (combination of a Presidential TFR and a whole lot of thunderstorms) and was talking to a retired Delta captain who was waiting out the storms to fly his Baron back home. He flew the MD11 at one point and was talking about how after the accident in Halifax everybody who flew the -11 knew that they would be seeing a similar situation in the sim the next time they were there. I don't know the specifics but it had something to do with an inflight fire or engine failure and they were too high to safely land in Halfax and overshot the runway. Anyhow, he was saying that sure enough the next sim ride he got the same scenario. But he got it down on the runway. Apparently the sim op thought he had cheated because so far nobody had been able to land it safely. Apparently he was able to get it on the runway by side slipping the aircraft like a C172. The sim instructor didn't believe him until he tried it himself and sure enough it worked. Anyhow, it may be a flapless glider but it will come down like any other aircraft. Ethan

December 11th, 2004, 01:06	#14
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,430 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... There was an engine fire at the maintenace hangar which burned the leading and trailing edge flaps before it was extinguished. The aircraft had already been retired and since it was no longer in flyable condition, they've been scavenging parts off of it.

December 11th, 2004, 06:10	#15
adreamer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: AZO Posts: 1,331	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... I know Fedex, UPS, and world airway fly those MD-11s. How much money can Delta make by selling those parts? I am just wondering. adreamer

December 11th, 2004, 11:44	#16
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,650	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... Doug with Kristie as your avatar - it confuses me slightly - I was like wow Kristie is technical.

December 11th, 2004, 11:45	#17
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,430 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... I'm confused too! I've got to change it to something else!

December 11th, 2004, 14:59	#18
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 709	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... [ QUOTE ] But he got it down on the runway. Apparently the sim op thought he had cheated because so far nobody had been able to land it safely. Apparently he was able to get it on the runway by side slipping the aircraft like a C172. The sim instructor didn't believe him until he tried it himself and sure enough it worked. [/ QUOTE ] He got down in time because he was armed with the knowledge and urgency of the situation brought about from the Halifax Swiss Air MD11 accident. Hindsight is always 20/20 and future crews learned an important lesson from this tragic accident. Get it on the ground NOW! The Swiss Air crew elected to troubleshoot the problem and honestly, who could blame them? They unfortunately wasted precious seconds/minutes troubleshooting instead of just getting it on the ground. A lot of us, prior to this accident, probably would have done the same thing they did. A FedEx DC10 crew did an outstanding job of getting their aircraft on the ground in Newburg Pa a couple years ago after getting a cargo smoke/fire indication. The aircraft burned to the ground shortly after landing and everyone escaped uninjured due to the quick thinking of the crew. I'm sure they were thinking about the Halifax accident. BTW, slipping a large transport category jet is not a good thing and certainly not something I'd go around bragging about. Can it be done? Sure. It's an airplane. Is it smart? No. Not only are you putting a lot of stress on the vertical stab (not good in an Airbus ), but you run the risk of compressor stalling engines due to potentially blocking smooth airflow. Now you have even more problems to deal with if you flame something out while dealing with a fire or smoke situation. Why not just do a quick 360 near the field to lose altitude while throwing the gear out and applying speedbrakes?

December 11th, 2004, 16:51	#19
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,650	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... Cheers Doug - much better. I the A300Capt raises lots of good points. I am sure if the crew of the Swissair flight knew they did not have the time they wouldn't have circled.

December 11th, 2004, 20:43	#20
Nick Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,253	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... [ QUOTE ] A FedEx DC10 crew did an outstanding job of getting their aircraft on the ground in Newburg Pa a couple years ago after getting a cargo smoke/fire indication. [/ QUOTE ] A300capt, Do you mean Newburgh/Stewart, NY? (SWF) I think I remember reading something about a FedEx accident there years ago. I don't know of any Newburgh in PA.

December 11th, 2004, 20:51	#21
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 709	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... [ QUOTE ] A300capt, Do you mean Newburgh/Stewart, NY? [/ QUOTE ] Yep, sorry...couldn't remember off hand the exact name of the place. Newburg or Newburgh stuck in my head. Just remember it being in the NE.

December 11th, 2004, 21:35	#22
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 18,089 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... /hijack! what a nice family photo you've got there!! I like it! /end hijack!

December 11th, 2004, 23:22	#23
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 709	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... [ QUOTE ] what a nice family photo you've got there!! I like it! [/ QUOTE ] Thanks, Kristie. They keep me busy, but in a good way! I was playing around with my new photo software and was able to reduce the size enough for the avatar. Happy Holidays

December 11th, 2004, 23:49	#24
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,801	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... What a great photo. Like Kristie said, you have a beautiful family!

December 12th, 2004, 09:14	#25
A300Capt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 709	Re: Flew by ATL last night.... Thanks, Matt.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode