Layoffs at AA

Joshua949 · October 22nd, 2004, 22:47

Here is a little more specifics on who will be affected by layoff at AA. This was just released today. I have copied and pasted just a few lines regarding this.

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The Kansas City Maintenance Base will be reduced by between 300 and 400 maintenance positions and St. Louis Line Maintenance by between 200 and 250. We expect furlough notices to be issued commencing mid-November. Additional reductions will occur in Line Maintenance throughout the system, but they have not yet been determined.

We anticipate furloughing up to 450 pilots by the summer of 2005. The first 125 will be furloughed on Jan. 6.

We know there will be downsizing at some of our airports, and we are working through which locations and how many Customer Service positions will be impacted. We will know more when the 2005 schedule is finalized.

Due to attrition, retirements, and planned flying levels, we plan to make Flight Attendant adjustments through voluntary leaves beginning in January.

In addition to almost 400 management and support staff positions eliminated so far this year, we will make further staffing reductions, which we are now evaluating, as a result of these initiatives.

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Josh

Kristie · October 22nd, 2004, 23:38

I thought they were just starting to call back flight attendants?! am I missing something?

http://jetcareers.com/forums/showfla...b=5&o=&fpart=1

MQAAord · October 22nd, 2004, 23:41

I think they've had a high number of people getting fed up and quitting. As well as people starting to hit retirement age. If they need voluntaries they shouldn't have any trouble getting people to bid it. From what I've heard morale is at an all time low.

MikeD · October 22nd, 2004, 23:42

That announcement is about as oddball as this e-mail concerning Delta.

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Hey everyone...

Just thought I would give you an update on our situation here at Delta. The rumor is that Monday we will file for CH. 11. Many of our supers have said it is a very high possibility. Everyone here seems to have the general idea that it is coming Monday. The only way to avoid the filing Monday would be for pilots to give consessions which they may do.

Anyway...the rumor isn't just among agents or f/a or mechanics...its among everyone and everyone seems to think it is coming Monday...Thats all I can say...

Hopefully, pilots will give consessions and keep us afloat for a while longer out of CH11...

Have a nice weekend...and to all my fellow DL emp.'s good luck monday.

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MQAAord · October 22nd, 2004, 23:45

Uh, hate to break it to the author of that email, but pilot concessions alone won't keep DL out of Chap 11.

There's a lot more to the picture.

MikeD · October 22nd, 2004, 23:47

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Uh, hate to break it to the author of that email, but pilot concessions alone won't keep DL out of Chap 11.

There's a lot more to the picture.

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I agree. Pulled it off another site, but didn't know what to make of it....ie author, etc. Just posting it for anyone's consumption.

MQAAord · October 22nd, 2004, 23:52

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Just posting it for anyone's consumption.

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Mmmm, consumption..... Damn it, Mike, now you got me thinking about food again!

MikeD · October 22nd, 2004, 23:53

Hehe. There's more for consumption......a new pic added to the "women of the military" thread in the military forum.

mtsu_av8er · October 23rd, 2004, 00:01

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Just posting it for anyone's consumption.

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Mmmm, consumption..... Damn it, Mike, now you got me thinking about food again!

Still have some Whitt's Barbecue here...

cimepilot · October 23rd, 2004, 09:29

So, will these fuurloughed pilots flow back to American Eagle and screw those regional guys?

MQAAord · October 23rd, 2004, 19:15

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So, will these fuurloughed pilots flow back to American Eagle and screw those regional guys?

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Many of those AA furloughees will be eligable for the flow-back. Read more at EagleLounge .

FlyChicaga · October 23rd, 2004, 19:18

This and the cancelled aircraft deliveries probably means a reduction in expected hiring and a long upgrade, in the 7-10 year range. Not good.

MQAAord · October 23rd, 2004, 19:20

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This and the cancelled aircraft deliveries probably means a reduction in expected hiring and a long upgrade, in the 7-10 year range. Not good.

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When I was first hired by Simmons/Eagle (1995) upgrades were in the 8 year range.

Joshua949 · October 23rd, 2004, 19:55

Does anybody know if AA has pulled or will pull their ad campaigns since they're not going to have the More Room Throughout Coach feature anymore? Also, I just read from a news site that they're warning that they may layoff more in the future even after the 1,100 cut in jobs.

Josh

EatSleepFly · October 24th, 2004, 13:24

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So, will these fuurloughed pilots flow back to American Eagle and screw those regional guys?

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But of course.

And its not that I'm resentful towards the flowbacks...its not their fault they were furloughed, and its not like they WANT to come to Eagle. Its an option they are given, and are within their rights to take. The fact that the option even exists, is what sucks.

Anyways, there is almost zero chance any Eagle pilots will be furloughed, and I'm not going to give myself an ulcer over constantly-changing upgrade times that can't be accurately predicted anyways. It was down to late '99 DOH's upgrading until now, and no one was hired from something like the end of '01 to early '04, so the upgrade time was getting better. Maybe not so anymore...we'll see.

MikeD · October 24th, 2004, 14:53

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So, will these fuurloughed pilots flow back to American Eagle and screw those regional guys?

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But of course.

And its not that I'm resentful towards the flowbacks...its not their fault they were furloughed, and its not like they WANT to come to Eagle. Its an option they are given, and are within their rights to take. The fact that the option even exists, is what sucks.

Anyways, there is almost zero chance any Eagle pilots will be furloughed, and I'm not going to give myself an ulcer over constantly-changing upgrade times that can't be accurately predicted anyways. It was down to late '99 DOH's upgrading until now, and no one was hired from something like the end of '01 to early '04, so the upgrade time was getting better. Maybe not so anymore...we'll see.

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Let's be fair here, guys. All the regional guys were bitching about not having the opportunity to "flow thru" and move up into mainline. Part of flow thru is flow back, though no one ever envisioned the need for that. Continental had the same thing.

EatSleepFly · October 24th, 2004, 15:27

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Let's be fair here, guys.

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How am I being unfair? I just said that I don't feel any resentment towards flowbacks. If you think what I had to say is unfair, you should hear how some others treat flowbacks. Its almost embarassing. There's absolutely no reason to be bitter towards an individual for flowing back, just like I said above. They were furloughed, which royally sucks for them, and then were given the option of taking a lesser job to support their families, etc. which they are well within their right to accept. Its not like they collectively decided to come "invade" Eagle just for the hell of it.

FlyChicaga · October 24th, 2004, 23:30

I personally think both a flow THROUGH and flow BACK sucks.

FOD · October 24th, 2004, 23:46

wait i thought they flushed back

October 22nd, 2004, 22:47	#1
Joshua949 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 317	Layoffs at AA Here is a little more specifics on who will be affected by layoff at AA. This was just released today. I have copied and pasted just a few lines regarding this. [ QUOTE ] The Kansas City Maintenance Base will be reduced by between 300 and 400 maintenance positions and St. Louis Line Maintenance by between 200 and 250. We expect furlough notices to be issued commencing mid-November. Additional reductions will occur in Line Maintenance throughout the system, but they have not yet been determined. We anticipate furloughing up to 450 pilots by the summer of 2005. The first 125 will be furloughed on Jan. 6. We know there will be downsizing at some of our airports, and we are working through which locations and how many Customer Service positions will be impacted. We will know more when the 2005 schedule is finalized. Due to attrition, retirements, and planned flying levels, we plan to make Flight Attendant adjustments through voluntary leaves beginning in January. In addition to almost 400 management and support staff positions eliminated so far this year, we will make further staffing reductions, which we are now evaluating, as a result of these initiatives. [/ QUOTE ] Josh

October 22nd, 2004, 23:38	#2
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 19,288 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Layoffs at AA I thought they were just starting to call back flight attendants?! am I missing something? http://jetcareers.com/forums/showfla...b=5&o=&fpart=1

October 22nd, 2004, 23:41	#3
MQAAord Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,624	Re: Layoffs at AA I think they've had a high number of people getting fed up and quitting. As well as people starting to hit retirement age. If they need voluntaries they shouldn't have any trouble getting people to bid it. From what I've heard morale is at an all time low.

October 22nd, 2004, 23:42	#4
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Layoffs at AA That announcement is about as oddball as this e-mail concerning Delta. [ QUOTE ] Hey everyone... Just thought I would give you an update on our situation here at Delta. The rumor is that Monday we will file for CH. 11. Many of our supers have said it is a very high possibility. Everyone here seems to have the general idea that it is coming Monday. The only way to avoid the filing Monday would be for pilots to give consessions which they may do. Anyway...the rumor isn't just among agents or f/a or mechanics...its among everyone and everyone seems to think it is coming Monday...Thats all I can say... Hopefully, pilots will give consessions and keep us afloat for a while longer out of CH11... Have a nice weekend...and to all my fellow DL emp.'s good luck monday. [/ QUOTE ]

October 22nd, 2004, 23:45	#5
MQAAord Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,624	Re: Layoffs at AA Uh, hate to break it to the author of that email, but pilot concessions alone won't keep DL out of Chap 11. There's a lot more to the picture.

October 22nd, 2004, 23:47	#6
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Layoffs at AA [ QUOTE ] Uh, hate to break it to the author of that email, but pilot concessions alone won't keep DL out of Chap 11. There's a lot more to the picture. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. Pulled it off another site, but didn't know what to make of it....ie author, etc. Just posting it for anyone's consumption.

October 22nd, 2004, 23:52	#7
MQAAord Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,624	Re: Layoffs at AA [ QUOTE ] Just posting it for anyone's consumption. [/ QUOTE ] Mmmm, consumption..... Damn it, Mike, now you got me thinking about food again!

October 22nd, 2004, 23:53	#8
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Layoffs at AA Hehe. There's more for consumption......a new pic added to the "women of the military" thread in the military forum.

October 23rd, 2004, 00:01	#9
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,590	Re: Layoffs at AA [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just posting it for anyone's consumption. [/ QUOTE ] Mmmm, consumption..... Damn it, Mike, now you got me thinking about food again! Still have some Whitt's Barbecue here...

October 23rd, 2004, 09:29	#10
cimepilot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 231	Re: Layoffs at AA So, will these fuurloughed pilots flow back to American Eagle and screw those regional guys?

October 23rd, 2004, 19:15	#11
MQAAord Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,624	Re: Layoffs at AA [ QUOTE ] So, will these fuurloughed pilots flow back to American Eagle and screw those regional guys? [/ QUOTE ] Many of those AA furloughees will be eligable for the flow-back. Read more at EagleLounge .

October 23rd, 2004, 19:18	#12
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,886	Re: Layoffs at AA This and the cancelled aircraft deliveries probably means a reduction in expected hiring and a long upgrade, in the 7-10 year range. Not good.

October 23rd, 2004, 19:20	#13
MQAAord Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,624	Re: Layoffs at AA [ QUOTE ] This and the cancelled aircraft deliveries probably means a reduction in expected hiring and a long upgrade, in the 7-10 year range. Not good. [/ QUOTE ] When I was first hired by Simmons/Eagle (1995) upgrades were in the 8 year range.

October 23rd, 2004, 19:55	#14
Joshua949 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC, USA Posts: 317	Re: Layoffs at AA Does anybody know if AA has pulled or will pull their ad campaigns since they're not going to have the More Room Throughout Coach feature anymore? Also, I just read from a news site that they're warning that they may layoff more in the future even after the 1,100 cut in jobs. Josh

October 24th, 2004, 13:24	#15
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Layoffs at AA [ QUOTE ] So, will these fuurloughed pilots flow back to American Eagle and screw those regional guys? [/ QUOTE ] But of course. And its not that I'm resentful towards the flowbacks...its not their fault they were furloughed, and its not like they WANT to come to Eagle. Its an option they are given, and are within their rights to take. The fact that the option even exists, is what sucks. Anyways, there is almost zero chance any Eagle pilots will be furloughed, and I'm not going to give myself an ulcer over constantly-changing upgrade times that can't be accurately predicted anyways. It was down to late '99 DOH's upgrading until now, and no one was hired from something like the end of '01 to early '04, so the upgrade time was getting better. Maybe not so anymore...we'll see.

October 24th, 2004, 14:53	#16
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Layoffs at AA [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So, will these fuurloughed pilots flow back to American Eagle and screw those regional guys? [/ QUOTE ] But of course. And its not that I'm resentful towards the flowbacks...its not their fault they were furloughed, and its not like they WANT to come to Eagle. Its an option they are given, and are within their rights to take. The fact that the option even exists, is what sucks. Anyways, there is almost zero chance any Eagle pilots will be furloughed, and I'm not going to give myself an ulcer over constantly-changing upgrade times that can't be accurately predicted anyways. It was down to late '99 DOH's upgrading until now, and no one was hired from something like the end of '01 to early '04, so the upgrade time was getting better. Maybe not so anymore...we'll see. [/ QUOTE ] Let's be fair here, guys. All the regional guys were bitching about not having the opportunity to "flow thru" and move up into mainline. Part of flow thru is flow back, though no one ever envisioned the need for that. Continental had the same thing.

October 24th, 2004, 15:27	#17
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Layoffs at AA [ QUOTE ] Let's be fair here, guys. [/ QUOTE ] How am I being unfair? I just said that I don't feel any resentment towards flowbacks. If you think what I had to say is unfair, you should hear how some others treat flowbacks. Its almost embarassing. There's absolutely no reason to be bitter towards an individual for flowing back, just like I said above. They were furloughed, which royally sucks for them, and then were given the option of taking a lesser job to support their families, etc. which they are well within their right to accept. Its not like they collectively decided to come "invade" Eagle just for the hell of it.

October 24th, 2004, 23:30	#18
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,886	Re: Layoffs at AA I personally think both a flow THROUGH and flow BACK sucks.

October 24th, 2004, 23:46	#19
FOD Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 214	Re: Layoffs at AA wait i thought they flushed back

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