Speaking of Scabs...

MikeD · October 9th, 2004, 06:38

Since the subject of scabs was brought up in another post, I have a question from the perspective of a pilot outside the airlines looking in.

Why is it that scabs at CAL mainline hold positions as ALPA reps, and that so many of them proliferate at the high ranks at that airline? Post the '83 strike at CAL when ALPA was voted out, and up to the time when ALPA was brought back at CAL, did they "look the other way" towards scabs at that airline just so they could get back on property? And what's this BS about scabs being "in good standing" with the union?

WTF is this all about? Honest question.

mtsu_av8er · October 9th, 2004, 08:48

I see you're doing your research...

Look out Mesa, mike D is prepping his resume!!!

Mr_Creepy · October 9th, 2004, 09:58

That CAL scab situation is very controversial.

I understand that ALPA basically caved on the issue so they could get back on the property, but honestly - once 9-11 came along I stopped paying attention.

DE727UPS · October 9th, 2004, 11:13

When I was on the 727, I used to fly a lot with guys who were CAL pilots back during the strike and never went back. They really hated Lorenzo and the scabs. They knew many guys who had their lives ruined. Those guys would have never voted to allow scabs back into the union.

I think ALPA's reasons for bringing CAL in house were purely economic. They say time heals all wounds. To some extent, I think it's true and perhaps that had something to do it, too.

rausda27 · October 9th, 2004, 17:05

In case anyone was looking for this..

use google/yahoo/etc et al

aloft · October 9th, 2004, 18:24

Somewhat poor form to post that list.

I_Money · October 9th, 2004, 18:30

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Somewhat poor form to post that list.

[/ QUOTE ]

Umm, not sure. At my school they always posted the list of kids who were not going to graduate due to 'commitments'.

Bog · October 9th, 2004, 19:03

ALPA is nothing more than a big business. Big business needs money.

montanapilot · October 9th, 2004, 19:33

a few funny entrys worth noting.

names not needed

Looks like good ol Gulfstream is run by a bunch of scabs who have, and continue to shaft the industry.

Wannabe2 · October 9th, 2004, 19:40

why would that be poor form to post that list? honest question, not trying to start anything....

kellwolf · October 9th, 2004, 20:33

Wow. You know you're low when you're scamming Gulfstream. When PFT is just not low enough, you have to scam the PFT'ers......

rausda27 · October 9th, 2004, 21:27

Honestly..I dont see why it was in poor taste to post that list, but again I am neither a scab nor a line holder, so I have a different perspective. The link is rather clear to what it contains..if you dont want to see the list, dont click the link. If any of the moderators wish to remove the link, I would have no problem with it either.

Have a nice day.

EatSleepFly · October 9th, 2004, 21:33

[ QUOTE ]
Somewhat poor form to post that list.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, its "somewhat poor form" to cross a picket line too. Those guys earned their spot on that list. No one should feel sorry for them.

I don't think there is anything wrong with posting a LINK to that list whatsoever. If it was the actual list itself, that might be another story.

People need to know that its taken seriously. Someone who clicks on that now might think twice about crossing a picket line later.

Besides, seeing all the Gulfstream jackasses on there might just deter someone else from going there. The more people it deters, the better the industry will be.

TallBoy85 · October 9th, 2004, 21:40

I'm keeping my .02 cents to myself as to why the dissemination of that stuff on jetcareers is poor form...

But bottom line, you would think that the posting of a list like that would have little to do with someone's actions which could get them on a list like that.

You would hope common sense would prevail.

But have I ever mentioned how common sense is rarely common? I think I saw that on a commercial during the Texas/OU game today...

No wait that was AFLAC...cool duck.

EatSleepFly · October 9th, 2004, 21:42

[ QUOTE ]
But bottom line, you would think that the posting of a list like that would have little to do with someone's actions which could get them on a list like that.

[/ QUOTE ]

Huh?

Wait, nevermind. I'm going to see myself out of this thread before it goes where I think its going to.

RPM · October 9th, 2004, 21:49

I see nothing wrong with posting the list link....F*** SCABS!!!

stuckingfk · October 9th, 2004, 21:53

[ QUOTE ]
I see nothing wrong with posting the list link....F*** SCABS!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Me either.

I was looking through that, I found a guy who scabbed UAL then Eastern. I guess once a scab always a scab.

RPM · October 9th, 2004, 22:24

yeah, some of the descriptions are pretty damn funny!

"slapped female striker"

"scab just like daddy"
"fired for drinking on the job"
"fell asleep flying dc-8 killing people on the ground"
"slugged photographer"
"injured while scabbing"

"fired for stealing"
"fired for skimming"

...and the list goes on......what a bunch of losers

TallBoy85 · October 9th, 2004, 22:29

I guess I should point out that I think people that directly go against all their union's have struggled for should be drug out into a field and shot.

Before you people start thinking I'M a scab.

And don't see yourself out of this thread. That's kinda boring. Come on. Tell me why this flight info type c#$p should show up here where personal opinion and discussion typically prevails unless gulfstream, MAPD, or any other miniscule success of Frank Lorenzo comes up.

Flame away...at least I have an opinion that I can back up.

I_Money · October 9th, 2004, 22:44

I think the reason it has been posted on here is more out of interest then anything else. It is being talked about, so people want to see. If we were talking about a certain form people would want to see it.

I was surprised to see someone I knew was on there - he was actually a really nice guy.

EatSleepFly · October 9th, 2004, 23:00

[ QUOTE ]
Flame away...at least I have an opinion that I can back up.

[/ QUOTE ]

Dude, I wasn't going to flame you, or anyone. I have an opinion that I can back up too. Opinions are like asses...everyone has one- the only one that matters is your own.

stuckingfk · October 9th, 2004, 23:01

[ QUOTE ]
Flame away...at least I have an opinion that I can back up.

[/ QUOTE ]

So back your opinion up?

montanapilot · October 9th, 2004, 23:14

[ QUOTE ]
yeah, some of the descriptions are pretty damn funny!

"slapped female striker"
"scab just like daddy"
"fired for drinking on the job"
"fell asleep flying dc-8 killing people on the ground"
"slugged photographer"
"injured while scabbing"
"fired for stealing"
"fired for skimming"

[/ QUOTE ]

dang not even the dead guys get respect. "DEAD"

some other funny comments:

"Has interview at Southwest coming soon"

"Lies about being a scab"
"He is proud of scabbing"
"Rehired at EAL - tried to come back but couldnt pass checkride"
"Cocaine Use"
"In jail for child molesting"
"New hire pilot seminar Cheer Leader"

Doug Taylor · October 10th, 2004, 00:31

[ QUOTE ]

Flame away...at least I have an opinion that I can back up.

[/ QUOTE ]

Easy there, Tiger! Hold on.

If you do end up getting unapologetically flamed, don't make a long, drawn out "I'm taking my ball and going home/delete my posts, I'm gone forever"!

Nothing says "wuss" more than "I'm leaving forever, delete my posts!"

Not saying you are, but since you've verbally invited someone to flame you, I'm just forewarning you in case it happens.

tonyw · October 10th, 2004, 01:16

Okay, granted, I'm a low time nobody, but I don't see how someone could say that their actions didn't get them on a scab list. Don't cross the line, don't get on the list. Cross the line, and you're on it.

Is it as simple as I am making it?

October 9th, 2004, 06:38	#1
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Speaking of Scabs... Since the subject of scabs was brought up in another post, I have a question from the perspective of a pilot outside the airlines looking in. Why is it that scabs at CAL mainline hold positions as ALPA reps, and that so many of them proliferate at the high ranks at that airline? Post the '83 strike at CAL when ALPA was voted out, and up to the time when ALPA was brought back at CAL, did they "look the other way" towards scabs at that airline just so they could get back on property? And what's this BS about scabs being "in good standing" with the union? WTF is this all about? Honest question.

October 9th, 2004, 08:48	#2
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,468	Re: Speaking of Scabs... I see you're doing your research... Look out Mesa, mike D is prepping his resume!!!

October 9th, 2004, 09:58	#3
Mr_Creepy Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the O-zone Posts: 5,807	Re: Speaking of Scabs... That CAL scab situation is very controversial. I understand that ALPA basically caved on the issue so they could get back on the property, but honestly - once 9-11 came along I stopped paying attention.

October 9th, 2004, 11:13	#4
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,514	Re: Speaking of Scabs... When I was on the 727, I used to fly a lot with guys who were CAL pilots back during the strike and never went back. They really hated Lorenzo and the scabs. They knew many guys who had their lives ruined. Those guys would have never voted to allow scabs back into the union. I think ALPA's reasons for bringing CAL in house were purely economic. They say time heals all wounds. To some extent, I think it's true and perhaps that had something to do it, too.

October 9th, 2004, 17:05	#5
rausda27 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,251	Re: Speaking of Scabs... In case anyone was looking for this.. use google/yahoo/etc et al

October 9th, 2004, 18:24	#6
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,776	Re: Speaking of Scabs... Somewhat poor form to post that list.

October 9th, 2004, 18:30	#7
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,650	Re: Speaking of Scabs... [ QUOTE ] Somewhat poor form to post that list. [/ QUOTE ] Umm, not sure. At my school they always posted the list of kids who were not going to graduate due to 'commitments'.

October 9th, 2004, 19:03	#8
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,164	Re: Speaking of Scabs... ALPA is nothing more than a big business. Big business needs money.

October 9th, 2004, 19:33	#9
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,638	Re: Speaking of Scabs... a few funny entrys worth noting. names not needed Looks like good ol Gulfstream is run by a bunch of scabs who have, and continue to shaft the industry.

October 9th, 2004, 19:40	#10
Wannabe2 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 224	Re: Speaking of Scabs... why would that be poor form to post that list? honest question, not trying to start anything....

October 9th, 2004, 20:33	#11
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,520	Re: Speaking of Scabs... Wow. You know you're low when you're scamming Gulfstream. When PFT is just not low enough, you have to scam the PFT'ers......

October 9th, 2004, 21:27	#12
rausda27 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,251	Re: Speaking of Scabs... Honestly..I dont see why it was in poor taste to post that list, but again I am neither a scab nor a line holder, so I have a different perspective. The link is rather clear to what it contains..if you dont want to see the list, dont click the link. If any of the moderators wish to remove the link, I would have no problem with it either. Have a nice day.

October 9th, 2004, 21:33	#13
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Speaking of Scabs... [ QUOTE ] Somewhat poor form to post that list. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, its "somewhat poor form" to cross a picket line too. Those guys earned their spot on that list. No one should feel sorry for them. I don't think there is anything wrong with posting a LINK to that list whatsoever. If it was the actual list itself, that might be another story. People need to know that its taken seriously. Someone who clicks on that now might think twice about crossing a picket line later. Besides, seeing all the Gulfstream jackasses on there might just deter someone else from going there. The more people it deters, the better the industry will be.

October 9th, 2004, 21:40	#14
TallBoy85 Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 194	Re: Speaking of Scabs... I'm keeping my .02 cents to myself as to why the dissemination of that stuff on jetcareers is poor form... But bottom line, you would think that the posting of a list like that would have little to do with someone's actions which could get them on a list like that. You would hope common sense would prevail. But have I ever mentioned how common sense is rarely common? I think I saw that on a commercial during the Texas/OU game today... No wait that was AFLAC...cool duck.

October 9th, 2004, 21:42	#15
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Speaking of Scabs... [ QUOTE ] But bottom line, you would think that the posting of a list like that would have little to do with someone's actions which could get them on a list like that. [/ QUOTE ] Huh? Wait, nevermind. I'm going to see myself out of this thread before it goes where I think its going to.

October 9th, 2004, 21:49	#16
RPM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: LAX Posts: 658	Re: Speaking of Scabs... I see nothing wrong with posting the list link....F*** SCABS!!!

October 9th, 2004, 21:53	#17
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,574	Re: Speaking of Scabs... [ QUOTE ] I see nothing wrong with posting the list link....F*** SCABS!!! [/ QUOTE ] Me either. I was looking through that, I found a guy who scabbed UAL then Eastern. I guess once a scab always a scab.

October 9th, 2004, 22:24	#18
RPM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: LAX Posts: 658	Re: Speaking of Scabs... yeah, some of the descriptions are pretty damn funny! "slapped female striker" "scab just like daddy" "fired for drinking on the job" "fell asleep flying dc-8 killing people on the ground" "slugged photographer" "injured while scabbing" "fired for stealing" "fired for skimming" ...and the list goes on......what a bunch of losers

October 9th, 2004, 22:29	#19
TallBoy85 Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 194	Re: Speaking of Scabs... I guess I should point out that I think people that directly go against all their union's have struggled for should be drug out into a field and shot. Before you people start thinking I'M a scab. And don't see yourself out of this thread. That's kinda boring. Come on. Tell me why this flight info type c#$p should show up here where personal opinion and discussion typically prevails unless gulfstream, MAPD, or any other miniscule success of Frank Lorenzo comes up. Flame away...at least I have an opinion that I can back up.

October 9th, 2004, 22:44	#20
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,650	Re: Speaking of Scabs... I think the reason it has been posted on here is more out of interest then anything else. It is being talked about, so people want to see. If we were talking about a certain form people would want to see it. I was surprised to see someone I knew was on there - he was actually a really nice guy.

October 9th, 2004, 23:00	#21
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Speaking of Scabs... [ QUOTE ] Flame away...at least I have an opinion that I can back up. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, I wasn't going to flame you, or anyone. I have an opinion that I can back up too. Opinions are like asses...everyone has one- the only one that matters is your own.

October 9th, 2004, 23:01	#22
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,574	Re: Speaking of Scabs... [ QUOTE ] Flame away...at least I have an opinion that I can back up. [/ QUOTE ] So back your opinion up?

October 9th, 2004, 23:14	#23
montanapilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portland, Orygun Posts: 1,638	Re: Speaking of Scabs... [ QUOTE ] yeah, some of the descriptions are pretty damn funny! "slapped female striker" "scab just like daddy" "fired for drinking on the job" "fell asleep flying dc-8 killing people on the ground" "slugged photographer" "injured while scabbing" "fired for stealing" "fired for skimming" [/ QUOTE ] dang not even the dead guys get respect. "DEAD" some other funny comments: "Has interview at Southwest coming soon" "Lies about being a scab" "He is proud of scabbing" "Rehired at EAL - tried to come back but couldnt pass checkride" "Cocaine Use" "In jail for child molesting" "New hire pilot seminar Cheer Leader"

October 10th, 2004, 00:31	#24
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,225 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Speaking of Scabs... [ QUOTE ] Flame away...at least I have an opinion that I can back up. [/ QUOTE ] Easy there, Tiger! Hold on. If you do end up getting unapologetically flamed, don't make a long, drawn out "I'm taking my ball and going home/delete my posts, I'm gone forever"! Nothing says "wuss" more than "I'm leaving forever, delete my posts!" Not saying you are, but since you've verbally invited someone to flame you, I'm just forewarning you in case it happens.

October 10th, 2004, 01:16	#25
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,323	Re: Speaking of Scabs... Okay, granted, I'm a low time nobody, but I don't see how someone could say that their actions didn't get them on a scab list. Don't cross the line, don't get on the list. Cross the line, and you're on it. Is it as simple as I am making it?

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