Here's the New Airbus Monster!

BobDDuck · October 8th, 2004, 14:15

I'm looking for the words "Tonka" up by the front somewhere

Ethan

UAL747400 · October 8th, 2004, 14:50

Holy crap that's huge. Aren't there any side widows on the cockpit. I agree the fuselage looks to big for the wings, if that's what you ment by "tonka" Cant wait to see this thing painted.

Tom

ready2fly · October 8th, 2004, 15:43

Big! BIG! BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG!!!

October 8th, 2004, 16:42

Will this thing fly?

Minnesota_Flyer · October 8th, 2004, 16:45

to quote Eddie Murphy: "That's a big *itch!"

FlyChicaga · October 8th, 2004, 16:50

Captain rates will be $85/hr, and FOs at $45 an hour.

I can see it now.

October 8th, 2004, 16:57

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Captain rates will be $85/hr, and FOs at $45 an hour.

I can see it now.

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That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get.

Doug Taylor · October 8th, 2004, 17:16

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That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get.

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Nope!

In fact, it costs YOU to work for some airlines but simply hit the "search" button above, type in "gulfstream" and bob's yer uncle.

October 8th, 2004, 19:16

[ QUOTE ]
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That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get.

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Nope!

In fact, it costs YOU to work for some airlines but simply hit the "search" button above, type in "gulfstream" and bob's yer uncle.

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Yes, I do know about PFT.

mtsu_av8er · October 8th, 2004, 19:50

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Will this thing fly?

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No, not a chance...

AngelFuree · October 8th, 2004, 19:56

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That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get.

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Nope!

In fact, it costs YOU to work for some airlines but simply hit the "search" button above, type in "gulfstream" and bob's yer uncle.

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OMG, Doug said the word the must not be said!!!!
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Doug Taylor · October 8th, 2004, 19:57

Well it wasn't really a word, but more of a 'term' into the search engine!

kellwolf · October 8th, 2004, 20:25

I was flipping through the "study" guide last night, and I was unfortunately reminded that Gulfstream is a Continental Connection. Grrrrrr.

FlyChicaga · October 9th, 2004, 02:18

Yeah, Gulfstream, CommutAir, and SkyWest do turboprop Continental Connection flying.

No comment.

FlyChicaga · October 9th, 2004, 02:21

[ QUOTE ]
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Captain rates will be $85/hr, and FOs at $45 an hour.

I can see it now.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get.

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh really?

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/midat...idatlantic.htm

Those are all USAir "major" airline pilots. They even use USAir as the callsign. You'll notice that the rates I posted are above 14 year rates there. And they are flying that EMB-170 that you have fallen in love with.

Don't be naive. It can get LOW.

Doug Taylor · October 9th, 2004, 02:31

It could theoretically go to minimum wage and people will still flock to it.

Our achilles heel.

October 9th, 2004, 09:44

What I mean is that it will have to stop sometime soon. How long can these pays actually get? What if all the airlines were to be PFTs?

Doug Taylor · October 9th, 2004, 13:07

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What I mean is that it will have to stop sometime soon. How long can these pays actually get? What if all the airlines were to be PFTs?

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Not neccessarily!

When they pay gets too low and they're no longer able to find people to fill the positions, they can always lobby the federal government to loosen the cabotage laws to allow foreign carriers in point-to-point destinations in the U.S.. For example, a US Airline could subcontract with Air Nambibia to perform it's Los Angeles to Dallas flights.

October 9th, 2004, 14:45

So the future of airline flying isn't going anywhere. How sad

seagull · October 9th, 2004, 17:20

Well, don't forget that FedEx and UPS are only talking "raises" for the next contract. Not a question of if the pay is going up, only by how much...

Doug Taylor · October 9th, 2004, 17:27

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So the future of airline flying isn't going anywhere. How sad

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Well, it could. It depends. I dunno!

As long as we can keep US pilots flying US routes, keep cabotage laws to protect intra-US flying, we might be ok. But the second that we allow Aeroflot to fly LAX to SEA, all bets are off.

pilot602 · October 9th, 2004, 23:43

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So the future of airline flying isn't going anywhere. How sad

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Well, it could. It depends. I dunno!

As long as we can keep US pilots flying US routes, keep cabotage laws to protect intra-US flying, we might be ok. But the second that we allow Aeroflot to fly LAX to SEA, all bets are off.

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As I told a fellow CFI to write on a sqawk sheet the other day:

"It's all f***ed up, yo."

October 10th, 2004, 00:57

I really hope I can get a job as a corporate/fractional/charter pilot. Is it true that some companies but their pilots in the same hotels as the guests?

I_Money · October 10th, 2004, 01:10

I think that all depends on their corporate travel department, who you are flying, if your trip schedules match. You could stay at the same hotel, they might have a suite, you might have just a standard room, etc, but if your trips do not match, and/or you are flying the CEO or Sr. Investment Banker (people who earn 7 figure incomes) you are unlikely to stay in the same hotel.

October 8th, 2004, 13:52	#1
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Here\'s the New Airbus Monster!

October 8th, 2004, 14:15	#2
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,924	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! I'm looking for the words "Tonka" up by the front somewhere Ethan

October 8th, 2004, 14:50	#3
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! Holy crap that's huge. Aren't there any side widows on the cockpit. I agree the fuselage looks to big for the wings, if that's what you ment by "tonka" Cant wait to see this thing painted. Tom

October 8th, 2004, 15:43	#4
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,373	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! Big! BIG! BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG!!!

October 8th, 2004, 16:42	#5
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! Will this thing fly?

October 8th, 2004, 16:45	#6
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 2,016	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! to quote Eddie Murphy: "That's a big *itch!"

October 8th, 2004, 16:50	#7
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,886	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! Captain rates will be $85/hr, and FOs at $45 an hour. I can see it now.

October 8th, 2004, 16:57	#8
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] Captain rates will be $85/hr, and FOs at $45 an hour. I can see it now. [/ QUOTE ] That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get.

October 8th, 2004, 17:16	#9
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get. [/ QUOTE ] Nope! In fact, it costs YOU to work for some airlines but simply hit the "search" button above, type in "gulfstream" and bob's yer uncle.

October 8th, 2004, 19:16	#10
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get. [/ QUOTE ] Nope! In fact, it costs YOU to work for some airlines but simply hit the "search" button above, type in "gulfstream" and bob's yer uncle. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I do know about PFT.

October 8th, 2004, 19:50	#11
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,590	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] Will this thing fly? [/ QUOTE ] No, not a chance...

October 8th, 2004, 19:56	#12
AngelFuree Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: G-Forks, ND/ NYC Posts: 3,349	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get. [/ QUOTE ] Nope! In fact, it costs YOU to work for some airlines but simply hit the "search" button above, type in "gulfstream" and bob's yer uncle. [/ QUOTE ] OMG, Doug said the word the must not be said!!!! . . . . . . . .

October 8th, 2004, 19:57	#13
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! Well it wasn't really a word, but more of a 'term' into the search engine!

October 8th, 2004, 20:25	#14
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,230	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! I was flipping through the "study" guide last night, and I was unfortunately reminded that Gulfstream is a Continental Connection. Grrrrrr.

October 9th, 2004, 02:18	#15
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,886	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! Yeah, Gulfstream, CommutAir, and SkyWest do turboprop Continental Connection flying. No comment.

October 9th, 2004, 02:21	#16
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,886	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Captain rates will be $85/hr, and FOs at $45 an hour. I can see it now. [/ QUOTE ] That's a bit of an exaggeration. There has to be a limit on how low airline pay will get. [/ QUOTE ] Oh really? http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/midat...idatlantic.htm Those are all USAir "major" airline pilots. They even use USAir as the callsign. You'll notice that the rates I posted are above 14 year rates there. And they are flying that EMB-170 that you have fallen in love with. Don't be naive. It can get LOW.

October 9th, 2004, 02:31	#17
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! It could theoretically go to minimum wage and people will still flock to it. Our achilles heel.

October 9th, 2004, 09:44	#18
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! What I mean is that it will have to stop sometime soon. How long can these pays actually get? What if all the airlines were to be PFTs?

October 9th, 2004, 13:07	#19
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] What I mean is that it will have to stop sometime soon. How long can these pays actually get? What if all the airlines were to be PFTs? [/ QUOTE ] Not neccessarily! When they pay gets too low and they're no longer able to find people to fill the positions, they can always lobby the federal government to loosen the cabotage laws to allow foreign carriers in point-to-point destinations in the U.S.. For example, a US Airline could subcontract with Air Nambibia to perform it's Los Angeles to Dallas flights.

October 9th, 2004, 14:45	#20
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! So the future of airline flying isn't going anywhere. How sad

October 9th, 2004, 17:20	#21
seagull Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,045	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! Well, don't forget that FedEx and UPS are only talking "raises" for the next contract. Not a question of if the pay is going up, only by how much...

October 9th, 2004, 17:27	#22
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,926 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] So the future of airline flying isn't going anywhere. How sad [/ QUOTE ] Well, it could. It depends. I dunno! As long as we can keep US pilots flying US routes, keep cabotage laws to protect intra-US flying, we might be ok. But the second that we allow Aeroflot to fly LAX to SEA, all bets are off.

October 9th, 2004, 23:43	#23
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,752	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So the future of airline flying isn't going anywhere. How sad [/ QUOTE ] Well, it could. It depends. I dunno! As long as we can keep US pilots flying US routes, keep cabotage laws to protect intra-US flying, we might be ok. But the second that we allow Aeroflot to fly LAX to SEA, all bets are off. [/ QUOTE ] As I told a fellow CFI to write on a sqawk sheet the other day: "It's all f***ed up, yo."

October 10th, 2004, 00:57	#24
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! I really hope I can get a job as a corporate/fractional/charter pilot. Is it true that some companies but their pilots in the same hotels as the guests?

October 10th, 2004, 01:10	#25
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,691	Re: Here\'s the New Airbus Monster! I think that all depends on their corporate travel department, who you are flying, if your trip schedules match. You could stay at the same hotel, they might have a suite, you might have just a standard room, etc, but if your trips do not match, and/or you are flying the CEO or Sr. Investment Banker (people who earn 7 figure incomes) you are unlikely to stay in the same hotel.

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