Blustery Day!

aloft · September 18th, 2004, 17:22

Okay, so it's not quite hurricane force, but I sure ain't flyin' in it!

KSLC 182056Z 17030G38KT 10SM FEW080 SCT140 SCT200 31/M01 A2965 RMK AO2 PK WND 19038/2049 SLP977 T03111006 56030

RiddlePilot · September 18th, 2004, 18:05

Oh c'mon...that's nothing more than "sporty." [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ophir · September 18th, 2004, 18:40

Man, tell me about it. I was out on a ride all day battling the wind. It was a good day to be on the ground.

FlyChicaga · September 18th, 2004, 18:48

Not bad. Not much difference steady state versus gust. It gets "sporty" when it's 35G54, which I've done on line. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

gurisudenko · September 18th, 2004, 19:16

Seems like a beautiful day...at least for kite flying! Get out the kites! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img]

tonyw · September 18th, 2004, 19:17

So when do you guys flying the line start cancelling flights? I know you didn't today -- it was 25 G 35 around DCA. Where do you start saying, this isn't safe?

tripleseven · September 18th, 2004, 20:08

Funny you bring up the topic. I couldnt solo today. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

KSMX 182351Z 29019KT 9SM BKN200 17/10 A2978 RMK AO2 PK WND 29026/2305 SLP087 T01720100 10228 20172 58006

N519AT · September 18th, 2004, 21:19

Must have been a bad day all over...Here in Toledo, it was a nice day..But in Phoenix right now...

KPHX 190056Z 14018G27KT 8SM -RA BKN045 OVC110 23/22 A2974 RMK AO2 PK WND 15036/0033 TSB25E50RAE08B25 SLP055 TS SE-S MOV NE P0002 T02280217

AngelFuree · September 18th, 2004, 21:28

Indeed funny.
Grand Forks:
KGFK 190053Z 16018G23KT 10SM CLR 22/16 A2976 RMK AO2 PK WND 16026/0029 SLP079 T02220161

mastermags · September 18th, 2004, 22:03

Perfect day down here, but a tad breezy

September 18th, 2004, 22:51

Grand Forks was gusting like 37 at one point. Wreaked havoc on my golf game, still managed to make some money though. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

Ophir · September 18th, 2004, 22:58

[ QUOTE ]
So when do you guys flying the line start cancelling flights? I know you didn't today -- it was 25 G 35 around DCA. Where do you start saying, this isn't safe?

[/ QUOTE ]

We won't allow studs to solo in more than a 15 knot wind or a 6 knot crosswind component.

We used to have a policy that no renter could rent if the wind was blowing more than 25kts, but the did away with that.

jdflight · September 19th, 2004, 01:20

[ QUOTE ]
We won't allow studs to solo in more than a 15 knot wind or a 6 knot crosswind component.

[/ QUOTE ]

What about the average students? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

UAL747400 · September 19th, 2004, 01:39

Holy cow. I was up in a 24 kt wind the other day on my first solo. My first solo up here anyway. I though it was fun only moving along the ground at 20 kts. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Tom

Josh · September 19th, 2004, 03:05

Winds during my cfi checkride were like that. Fun stuff I think.

pavelump · September 19th, 2004, 10:59

[ QUOTE ]
Okay, so it's not quite hurricane force, but I sure ain't flyin' in it!

KSLC 182056Z 17030G38KT 10SM FEW080 SCT140 SCT200 31/M01 A2965 RMK AO2 PK WND 19038/2049 SLP977 T03111006 56030

[/ QUOTE ]

The best part about that METAR is the temperature/dew point spread. I wish we had some of that around here in The armpit of the US (Florida that is).

Ophir · September 19th, 2004, 11:20

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
We won't allow studs to solo in more than a 15 knot wind or a 6 knot crosswind component.

[/ QUOTE ]

What about the average students? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

HUH? What do you mean by the average student?

This is from yesterday:

03:56PM 19027G35P44KT 8 FEW080 SCT140 BKN200 88 28 29.63 997.1

WillNotFly4Food · September 19th, 2004, 13:06

All of Chuck's students are above average. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I haven't found an old METAR but someone came in from SGU yesterday and said it was gusting to 60.

Ophir · September 19th, 2004, 13:23

[ QUOTE ]
All of Chuck's students are above average. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know about that, I have plenty of below average studs [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[ QUOTE ]
I haven't found an old METAR but someone came in from SGU yesterday and said it was gusting to 60.

[/ QUOTE ]

I couldn't find that but check out Delta from yesterday.

18 05:50PM 20030G40KT 30 SCT070 SCT130 OVC250 80 35 LQ.DS 1000.6 84 79 BLDU NOSPECI
18 05:00PM 22028G36KT 30 RMKBLDU SCT070 SCT130 OVC250 81 34 LQ.DS 1000.8 NOSPECI
18 03:55PM 21033G46KT 10 RMKBLDU SCT070 SCT130 BKN250 82 36 LQ.DS 1001.1 NOSPECI
18 02:50PM 20033G48KT 7 SCT070 SCT130 OVC250 83 31 LQ.DS 1002.3 BLDU NOSPECI
18 01:50PM 20032G50KT 7 SCT070 SCT130 OVC250 82 35 LQ.DS 1003.1 BLDU NOSPECI
18 12:50PM 20025G38KT 30 SCT070 SCT130 SCT250 82 43 1003.1 NOSPECI

Go to weather.gov and then get into observations you can get all the aviation formatted Wx.

JayAre · September 20th, 2004, 14:20

I was out flying on friday and saturday in a 172 doing approaches in KCDC and KMLF I swear my buddy took a picture of it on his cell phone GS on the garmin was 170 knots and the DME as 171kts heading north on V235 to MLF from CDC I was setting up for the approach into KMLF we did a circle to land with wind gusting around 40 knots but it was down the runway however going back to CDC took some time I ended up doing slow flight backwards at one point. I did have to land back in SGU and it wasnt to bad when I landed only 40 degrees off the centerline around 20 kts gusting around 29kts. I have watched Skywest and Lifeflight nail there landings at SGU with 90 degrees off centerline and about 40 knots of wind those guys are good!

FlyChicaga · September 20th, 2004, 14:51

Normally, operations won't cease unless a) there is severe turbulence, b) windshear, or c) winds are so excessive that no runway will allow landing due to crosswind limit exceedence. If the high winds are associated with any kind of weather (storms, etc.) then we probably won't be flying. But if it's just wind on a clear day, we'll go.

In the SF-340, we practiced max demonstrated crosswind landings of 35 knots in the simulator, and have done the same with a max dem. crosswind of 30 knots in the EMB-145. We also practice windshear avoidance and escape on takeoff and landing, which is much easier in the EMB-145 since we have a windshear computer which provides escape guidance through the flight director.

triple7 · September 20th, 2004, 15:37

[ QUOTE ]
I was out flying on friday and saturday in a 172 doing approaches in KCDC and KMLF I swear my buddy took a picture of it on his cell phone GS on the garmin was 170 knots and the DME as 171kts heading north on V235 to MLF from CDC I was setting up for the approach into KMLF we did a circle to land with wind gusting around 40 knots but it was down the runway however going back to CDC took some time I ended up doing slow flight backwards at one point. I did have to land back in SGU and it wasnt to bad when I landed only 40 degrees off the centerline around 20 kts gusting around 29kts. I have watched Skywest and Lifeflight nail there landings at SGU with 90 degrees off centerline and about 40 knots of wind those guys are good!

[/ QUOTE ]

We flew into dulles in a piper arrow on saturday and set up at 2000 ft on the downwind leg to one right we had a groundspeed reading of 171knots with 22 inches of manifold pressure......43 knot tailwind at 3000 ft.

flyover · September 20th, 2004, 16:23

[ QUOTE ]
So when do you guys flying the line start cancelling flights? I know you didn't today -- it was 25 G 35 around DCA. Where do you start saying, this isn't safe?

[/ QUOTE ]

If it's just winds then you look at crosswind limitations of the airplane. As long as you can stay within that you go. If it is winds and precipitation then your crosswind limits may get lowered based on braking reports.

Most cancellations I've experienced are related to freezing precip or vis below minimums. Hurricane cancellations are done on a system basis, usually. Decisions to delay, ie not accept an approach clearance or takeoff clearance have almost always had to do with thunderstorms/windshear and just involved waiting a while until they moved on.

QXDVR · September 20th, 2004, 18:24

[ QUOTE ]
So when do you guys flying the line start cancelling flights? I know you didn't today -- it was 25 G 35 around DCA. Where do you start saying, this isn't safe?

[/ QUOTE ]

Our company limitation states max winds we can takeoff in are 50kts steady state/ Max gusts 65. Haven't seen over 45 yet but 65 would be a thrill to the pax I suppose [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

aloft · September 20th, 2004, 18:36

[ QUOTE ]
Our company limitation states max winds we can takeoff in are 50kts steady state/ Max gusts 65. Haven't seen over 45 yet but 65 would be a thrill to the pax I suppose [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

That's for the CRJ or the Dash? Or both?

September 18th, 2004, 17:22	#1
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,723	Blustery Day! Okay, so it's not quite hurricane force, but I sure ain't flyin' in it! KSLC 182056Z 17030G38KT 10SM FEW080 SCT140 SCT200 31/M01 A2965 RMK AO2 PK WND 19038/2049 SLP977 T03111006 56030

September 18th, 2004, 18:05	#2
RiddlePilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 928	Re: Blustery Day! Oh c'mon...that's nothing more than "sporty." [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

September 18th, 2004, 18:40	#3
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Blustery Day! Man, tell me about it. I was out on a ride all day battling the wind. It was a good day to be on the ground.

September 18th, 2004, 18:48	#4
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,750	Re: Blustery Day! Not bad. Not much difference steady state versus gust. It gets "sporty" when it's 35G54, which I've done on line. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

September 18th, 2004, 19:16	#5
gurisudenko Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, MN USA Posts: 260	Re: Blustery Day! Seems like a beautiful day...at least for kite flying! Get out the kites! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/spin2.gif[/img]

September 18th, 2004, 19:17	#6
tonyw Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 15,166	Re: Blustery Day! So when do you guys flying the line start cancelling flights? I know you didn't today -- it was 25 G 35 around DCA. Where do you start saying, this isn't safe?

September 18th, 2004, 20:08	#7
tripleseven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: KSMX Posts: 181	Re: Blustery Day! Funny you bring up the topic. I couldnt solo today. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] KSMX 182351Z 29019KT 9SM BKN200 17/10 A2978 RMK AO2 PK WND 29026/2305 SLP087 T01720100 10228 20172 58006

September 18th, 2004, 21:19	#8
N519AT Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 41-41-00.830N 083-47-26.160W Posts: 494	Re: Blustery Day! Must have been a bad day all over...Here in Toledo, it was a nice day..But in Phoenix right now... KPHX 190056Z 14018G27KT 8SM -RA BKN045 OVC110 23/22 A2974 RMK AO2 PK WND 15036/0033 TSB25E50RAE08B25 SLP055 TS SE-S MOV NE P0002 T02280217

September 18th, 2004, 21:28	#9
AngelFuree Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: G-Forks, ND/ NYC Posts: 3,096	Re: Blustery Day! Indeed funny. Grand Forks: KGFK 190053Z 16018G23KT 10SM CLR 22/16 A2976 RMK AO2 PK WND 16026/0029 SLP079 T02220161

September 18th, 2004, 22:03	#10
mastermags Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 1,300	Re: Blustery Day! Perfect day down here, but a tad breezy

September 18th, 2004, 22:51	#11
Lurker Posts: n/a	Re: Blustery Day! Grand Forks was gusting like 37 at one point. Wreaked havoc on my golf game, still managed to make some money though. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

September 18th, 2004, 22:58	#12
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] So when do you guys flying the line start cancelling flights? I know you didn't today -- it was 25 G 35 around DCA. Where do you start saying, this isn't safe? [/ QUOTE ] We won't allow studs to solo in more than a 15 knot wind or a 6 knot crosswind component. We used to have a policy that no renter could rent if the wind was blowing more than 25kts, but the did away with that.

September 19th, 2004, 01:20	#13
jdflight Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO (anywhere but Fresno) Posts: 1,477	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] We won't allow studs to solo in more than a 15 knot wind or a 6 knot crosswind component. [/ QUOTE ] What about the average students? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img]

September 19th, 2004, 01:39	#14
UAL747400 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA Posts: 2,204	Re: Blustery Day! Holy cow. I was up in a 24 kt wind the other day on my first solo. My first solo up here anyway. I though it was fun only moving along the ground at 20 kts. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Tom

September 19th, 2004, 03:05	#15
Josh Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, California Posts: 686	Re: Blustery Day! Winds during my cfi checkride were like that. Fun stuff I think.

September 19th, 2004, 10:59	#16
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 789	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] Okay, so it's not quite hurricane force, but I sure ain't flyin' in it! KSLC 182056Z 17030G38KT 10SM FEW080 SCT140 SCT200 31/M01 A2965 RMK AO2 PK WND 19038/2049 SLP977 T03111006 56030 [/ QUOTE ] The best part about that METAR is the temperature/dew point spread. I wish we had some of that around here in The armpit of the US (Florida that is).

September 19th, 2004, 11:20	#17
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] We won't allow studs to solo in more than a 15 knot wind or a 6 knot crosswind component. [/ QUOTE ] What about the average students? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bandit.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] HUH? What do you mean by the average student? This is from yesterday: 03:56PM 19027G35P44KT 8 FEW080 SCT140 BKN200 88 28 29.63 997.1

September 19th, 2004, 13:06	#18
WillNotFly4Food Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: SGU via SLC Posts: 420	Re: Blustery Day! All of Chuck's students are above average. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I haven't found an old METAR but someone came in from SGU yesterday and said it was gusting to 60.

September 19th, 2004, 13:23	#19
Ophir Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: was Ophir, CO, now in SLC! Posts: 1,477	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] All of Chuck's students are above average. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I don't know about that, I have plenty of below average studs [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] I haven't found an old METAR but someone came in from SGU yesterday and said it was gusting to 60. [/ QUOTE ] I couldn't find that but check out Delta from yesterday. 18 05:50PM 20030G40KT 30 SCT070 SCT130 OVC250 80 35 LQ.DS 1000.6 84 79 BLDU NOSPECI 18 05:00PM 22028G36KT 30 RMKBLDU SCT070 SCT130 OVC250 81 34 LQ.DS 1000.8 NOSPECI 18 03:55PM 21033G46KT 10 RMKBLDU SCT070 SCT130 BKN250 82 36 LQ.DS 1001.1 NOSPECI 18 02:50PM 20033G48KT 7 SCT070 SCT130 OVC250 83 31 LQ.DS 1002.3 BLDU NOSPECI 18 01:50PM 20032G50KT 7 SCT070 SCT130 OVC250 82 35 LQ.DS 1003.1 BLDU NOSPECI 18 12:50PM 20025G38KT 30 SCT070 SCT130 SCT250 82 43 1003.1 NOSPECI Go to weather.gov and then get into observations you can get all the aviation formatted Wx.

September 20th, 2004, 14:20	#20
JayAre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Multiple Posts: 986	Re: Blustery Day! I was out flying on friday and saturday in a 172 doing approaches in KCDC and KMLF I swear my buddy took a picture of it on his cell phone GS on the garmin was 170 knots and the DME as 171kts heading north on V235 to MLF from CDC I was setting up for the approach into KMLF we did a circle to land with wind gusting around 40 knots but it was down the runway however going back to CDC took some time I ended up doing slow flight backwards at one point. I did have to land back in SGU and it wasnt to bad when I landed only 40 degrees off the centerline around 20 kts gusting around 29kts. I have watched Skywest and Lifeflight nail there landings at SGU with 90 degrees off centerline and about 40 knots of wind those guys are good!

September 20th, 2004, 14:51	#21
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,750	Re: Blustery Day! Normally, operations won't cease unless a) there is severe turbulence, b) windshear, or c) winds are so excessive that no runway will allow landing due to crosswind limit exceedence. If the high winds are associated with any kind of weather (storms, etc.) then we probably won't be flying. But if it's just wind on a clear day, we'll go. In the SF-340, we practiced max demonstrated crosswind landings of 35 knots in the simulator, and have done the same with a max dem. crosswind of 30 knots in the EMB-145. We also practice windshear avoidance and escape on takeoff and landing, which is much easier in the EMB-145 since we have a windshear computer which provides escape guidance through the flight director.

September 20th, 2004, 15:37	#22
triple7 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 878	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] I was out flying on friday and saturday in a 172 doing approaches in KCDC and KMLF I swear my buddy took a picture of it on his cell phone GS on the garmin was 170 knots and the DME as 171kts heading north on V235 to MLF from CDC I was setting up for the approach into KMLF we did a circle to land with wind gusting around 40 knots but it was down the runway however going back to CDC took some time I ended up doing slow flight backwards at one point. I did have to land back in SGU and it wasnt to bad when I landed only 40 degrees off the centerline around 20 kts gusting around 29kts. I have watched Skywest and Lifeflight nail there landings at SGU with 90 degrees off centerline and about 40 knots of wind those guys are good! [/ QUOTE ] We flew into dulles in a piper arrow on saturday and set up at 2000 ft on the downwind leg to one right we had a groundspeed reading of 171knots with 22 inches of manifold pressure......43 knot tailwind at 3000 ft.

September 20th, 2004, 16:23	#23
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] So when do you guys flying the line start cancelling flights? I know you didn't today -- it was 25 G 35 around DCA. Where do you start saying, this isn't safe? [/ QUOTE ] If it's just winds then you look at crosswind limitations of the airplane. As long as you can stay within that you go. If it is winds and precipitation then your crosswind limits may get lowered based on braking reports. Most cancellations I've experienced are related to freezing precip or vis below minimums. Hurricane cancellations are done on a system basis, usually. Decisions to delay, ie not accept an approach clearance or takeoff clearance have almost always had to do with thunderstorms/windshear and just involved waiting a while until they moved on.

September 20th, 2004, 18:24	#24
QXDVR Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Posts: 112	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] So when do you guys flying the line start cancelling flights? I know you didn't today -- it was 25 G 35 around DCA. Where do you start saying, this isn't safe? [/ QUOTE ] Our company limitation states max winds we can takeoff in are 50kts steady state/ Max gusts 65. Haven't seen over 45 yet but 65 would be a thrill to the pax I suppose [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

September 20th, 2004, 18:36	#25
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,723	Re: Blustery Day! [ QUOTE ] Our company limitation states max winds we can takeoff in are 50kts steady state/ Max gusts 65. Haven't seen over 45 yet but 65 would be a thrill to the pax I suppose [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] That's for the CRJ or the Dash? Or both?

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